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Originally posted by zatara
It is interesting to see how mainstream archeology create theories that keep far away from any thing to do with visitors from outer space. On the other hand, what solid, undeniable and indisputable evidence is there to open up that box with worms?
What I just wrote can be turned 180 degrees and argue the same with the "forbidden" archeology theorists. I think it will be a matter of time before irrefutable proof will surface and will it explain the "weird" evidence at sites like the one of the OP and archeologic sites like the one in Baalbek, Libanon for instance.
Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by MrsBlonde
Good photos, AE are far better studied than any other group, they also left substantially more images and writing and had a culture that last 4,000+ years than say the Inca who weren't literate and who were around 300 years.
As noted above in my links the heads have been studied, physical anthropologies have examined them an pronounced them human, whether any DNA testing on the skulls has been done I don't know, however there has been DNA testing of locals, they are not surprizing, human
I don't know why you're telling me they're human ? when did I ever say they aren't? Yes DNA testing has been done and is still being done it's in Briens new book, he has thrown out the hint that they test as hybrids but I haven't read the book and I'm not sure I would even understand the results as I am no geneticist. Whatever all that means is going to take awhile to process
they are a whole different question from who built things like the Coriconcho or the jaguar teeth wall etc.
but I will say they aren't getting enough study we do lengthy cat scans on Otizi the iceman and the remains of Pharaohs why not these people? I have asked Brien where the rest of the bodies are and why do we only have skulls ? He says they're working on it. In all fairness to them they are up against financial limitations . I have a slew of questions about all these things like what relationship do they have to the current population blah blah
they are found wrapped in textiles which should be treated like gold because intact textiles are a rare archeological commodity.
which is a different topic than who built the the megalithic sites
Originally posted by Rocketman7
Regarding the barnacles at the Osireion in Abydos, it seems to me that it even confused people 2500 BC since they buried some boats there.
www.ancientmysteries.eu...
So you can probably assume that they were not just plain stupid, but realized that there was something strange about finding barnacles at the Osireion, and seeing that at one time it was covered with sea water, they figured they better hedge their bets and have a few boats close by, just in case.
But that is nothing at all even remotely close in terms of paranoia, regarding flooding as has been seen in Peru.
When they built in Peru, for instance at Coricancha, they built with water tight joints.
But how paranoid of flooding do you have to be, to build Machu Pichu?
Sure the Inca found it and added some small stones much later, but when it was first built, it was built with megalithic stones.
www.riantours.com...
But you know if you go far enough back, and asked the people, they would probably say flooding? We WISH we had flooding, what we got was fire hot enough to melt stone.
Lots of places where the stone has been glazed by heat, and even in places like Scotland.
And you think well Scotland like a Scottish castle but no, that same global Antediluvian culture, were in Bosnia, and places like Scotland as well.
But most of it in the northern hemisphere was just totally wiped clean by glaciation.
Right down to bedrock. And all that was left was moraines, and well to suggest that same culture that built with megalithic stones, piled up pyramids made of rubble as some have suggested in Bosnia, is probably not true.
But have a look at Scotland to see what might be, something also from the Antediluvian culture...
Tap-o-noth
Not large stones, but melted on one wall.
And really scattered. Like if you wanted to do that, I am not exactly sure how you would scatter those stones like that. In fact, where do you get so many small stones like that from? The sheep fields I guess.
The ancient sheep fields of bonny neolithic Scotland.
Just because they can't find anything older than 2,000 years there does not mean it is only 2,000 years old.
Just like when they find a stone knife with an inscription on it, near a pyramid and say oh, that must be the pharaoh that made that pyramid.
I think West is not off his nut when he looks at the Sphinx and says it might be 40,000 years old.
40,000 years is nothing. Peru goes back 2 million years. The problem is there is a HUGE gap when that civilization disappeared, was destroyed by global cataclysm, and civilization regained a footing, beginning 40,000 years ago.
And then, it wasn't until 11,000 years ago or so that we find it thriving in the middle east.
Do people tell the truth today? No they do not. So just because years ago, someone wrote down that someone made some great thing, does not mean they actually were telling the truth.
Neither does it mean they actually really knew who made it in the first place.
Stone Henge looks megalithic. Is there really an account of when it was made or is this date more speculation, based on wishful thinking attributing it to the Druids?
Its a shame you can't date rock, and a greater shame that concrete that is over a million years old is indistinguishable from rock, otherwise there would be less controversy and less mystery regarding these things.
But also, it is often difficult to tell where their concrete started and where the rock begins, in some of these huge constructions. It seems to be part of the rock now.
Archaeologists attempt to determine causes of the fall of ancient Egypt 4000 years ago, and how such a powerful empire could collapse so completely.
Originally posted by Flavian
Library in Alexandria, for example,
Another vast library, full of (allegedly) very important scrolls, was the Villa of the Papyrii at Herculaneum. Obviously, that went with Vesuvius rather than willful destruction.
Originally posted by Flavian
The more i look into it, the more i am convinced that Abydos used to be situated on the Nile (or at least a tributary). And if anyone doubts that rivers can suddenly change their course, i suggest they look into the Yangtze River in China - that has changed course at least a few dozen times and sometimes the mouth has moved by hundreds of kilometres, all in the last 2000 years. It is therefore totally conceivable that the worlds' longest river has also changed course several times in a longer time frame.
The present Nile is at least the fifth river that has flowed north from the Ethiopian Highlands. Satellite imagery was used to identify dry watercourses in the desert to the west of the Nile. An Eonile canyon, now filled by surface drift, represents an ancestral Nile called the Eonile that flowed during the later Miocene (23–5.3 million years before present). The Eonile transported clastic sediments to the Mediterranean; several natural gas fields have been discovered within these sediments.
the drainage from Ethiopia via rivers equivalent to the Blue Nile and the Atbara and Takazze flowed to the Mediterranean via the Egyptian Nile since well back into Tertiary times
Originally posted by MrsBlonde
I don't know why you're telling me they're human ? when did I ever say they aren't? Yes DNA testing has been done and is still being done it's in Briens new book, he has thrown out the hint that they test as hybrids but I haven't read the book and I'm not sure I would even understand the results as I am no geneticist. Whatever all that means is going to take awhile to process
they are a whole different question from who built things like the Coriconcho or the jaguar teeth wall etc.
but I will say they aren't getting enough study we do lengthy cat scans on Otizi the iceman and the remains of Pharaohs why not these people? I have asked Brien where the rest of the bodies are and why do we only have skulls ? He says they're working on it. In all fairness to them they are up against financial limitations. I have a slew of questions about all these things like what relationship do they have to the current population blah blah they are found wrapped in textiles which should be treated like gold because intact textiles are a rare archeological commodity.
Originally posted by MrsBlonde
so I'm going to call the 'Atlantians ,the Virracochas, they were race of people that used to live in this area in remote antiquity and they came from the 'sea ' and built this with as yet unknown methods.
edit on Fri Mar 2 2012 by Jbird because: removed quote of preceding post
There are many enigmatic relics belonging to the famous Europide population (part of Cro-Magnon, sometimes having the Brünn's or Predmost's features) that existed in South America (Eastern region), almost reaching the Western Australian shore, and covering the Polinesian islands and the lands that sank 10 -12,000 years ago. We're talking about the population which was called by the Aymaras Indians "Viracochas" ("the white man with red beard") and who called themselves, "The Sons of the Sun".
Viracochas' knowledge was superior to the Inka or Maya. To the "sons of the sun" was attributed the construction of the fortresses of Tiahuanaco, Sacsayhuaman and Cerra Gallan. When the Spanish came to conquer South America, the Indians thought the Spaniards were the grandchildren of Viracochas. They were claiming that Viracochas came from the ocean and they were ruled by someone called Quetzalcoatl (by the Aztecs), Kukulkan (by the Mayas), Amalivaka (by the Tamanacs), Manco-Capac (by the Inkas), Viracocha (by the Aymaras). But all of them described him similarly: a tall white man, blue eyed, with long blond-reddish hair and beard.
Heyerdahl claimed that in Incan legend there was a sun-god named Con-Tici Viracocha who was the supreme head of the mythical fair-skinned people in Peru. The original name for Viracocha was Kon-Tiki or Illa-Tiki, which means Sun-Tiki or Fire-Tiki. Kon-Tiki was high priest and sun-king of these legendary "white men" who left enormous ruins on the shores of Lake Titicaca. The legend continues with the mysterious bearded white men being attacked by a chief named Cari who came from the Coquimbo Valley. They had a battle on an island in Lake Titicaca, and the fair race was massacred. However, Kon-Tiki and his closest companions managed to escape and later arrived on the Pacific coast. The legend ends with Kon-Tiki and his companions disappearing westward out to sea.
When the Spaniards came to Peru, Heyerdahl asserted, the Incas told them that the colossal monuments that stood deserted about the landscape were erected by a race of white gods who had lived there before the Incas themselves became rulers. The Incas described these "white gods" as wise, peaceful instructors who had originally come from the north in the "morning of time" and taught the Incas' primitive forefathers architecture as well as manners and customs. They were unlike other Native Americans in that they had "white skins and long beards" and were taller than the Incas. The Incas said that the "white gods" had then left as suddenly as they had come and fled westward across the Pacific. After they had left, the Incas themselves took over power in the country.
Heyerdahl said that when the Europeans first came to the Pacific islands, they were astonished that they found some of the natives to have relatively light skins and beards. There were whole families that had pale skin, hair varying in color from reddish to blonde. In contrast, most of the Polynesians had golden-brown skin, raven-black hair, and rather flat noses. Heyerdahl claimed that when Jakob Roggeveen first discovered Easter Island in 1722, he supposedly noticed that many of the natives were white-skinned. Heyerdahl claimed that these people could count their ancestors who were "white-skinned" right back to the time of Tiki and Hotu Matua, when they first came sailing across the sea "from a mountainous land in the east which was scorched by the sun." The ethnographic evidence for these claims is outlined in Heyerdahl's book Aku Aku: The Secret of Easter Island.