Evidence Of Advanced Technology Thousands Of Years Ago In Peru (Interesting)

reply to post by Hanslune


right, mass production isnt a modern invention.

I really wonder what ancient structures are under the ruins of Tiwanaku/ Puma Punku and what possibilities those people had to move 100 tons stones..and how the altiplano looked like at maybe 12000 yrs ago..

BTW, I dont believe in AAT..

interesting site:
www.world-mysteries.com...

Originally posted by Bex33
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Perhaps they would just prefer not to waste time on somebody who clearly knows the way of the world so well and cannot be wrong. Im sorry to be such a burden but i prefer the testimony of many distinguished scholars who provide a wealth of evidence on the subject,

Like the oh so "distinguished scholar" Zecharia Sitchin whos only degree is in economics, yet you take his books as truth?

en.wikipedia.org...

Sitchin's ideas were rejected by scientists and academics, who dismiss his work as pseudoscience and pseudohistory. Sitchin's work has been criticized for flawed methodology and mistranslations of ancient texts as well as for incorrect astronomical and scientific claims.[2]

His "Critisisms" section is larger than his "Ideas and works" and "Popularity" sections combined

Originally posted by anti72


right, mass production isnt a modern invention.

They the ancients mass produced by hand or using simple tools, for us it was machinery

I really wonder what ancient structures are under the ruins of Tiwanaku/ Puma Punku and what possibilities those people had to move 100 tons stones..and how the altiplano looked like at maybe 12000 yrs ago..

I don't believe any ruins were found under them, you can chek the various reports but normally you go down till you hit water or sterile ground.

No idea, good question on what the climate and environment was like at that time. Not sure how much evidence has been found for people being their. Check google scholar for any reports on that

reply to post by reaxi0n


Sitchin is best seen as an eccentric who wrote fair science fiction fantasy- and whose major flaw was that he thought he was writing science. He was good at making stuff up

reply to post by Hanslune


That he was.

It's a shame that people buy that BS without doing any research themselves.
"Aliens" seems to be the response to anything people don't bother to understand.

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by Hanslune

 

That he was.

It's a shame that people buy that BS without doing any research themselves.
"Aliens" seems to be the response to anything people don't bother to understand.

We have documented accounts of ceremonial and burial grounds going back pretty much to the neanderthal era. Where does this advanced human race fit in? And how do we know they weren't some type of E.T. race, or if they just took off somewhere in their own advanced craft? How do we know humans aren't some type of E.T., and the human/monkey form is just an inevitable by product of billions of years of evolution? Why are the technologies mismatched? I mean they moved these stones hundreds of miles, weighing hundreds of tons, but no transportation infrastructure to be found? No mass deposits of metals, and other resources used to make the machinery to move these stones, position and cut them. All I hear here are people saying the AAT is just too out there to be feasable, because 1. How would aliens get here 2. Why would they come here ( Anthill in the amazon) 3. Why would they do anything with us ( Zoo hypothesis). But coming from a pure state of objectivity these reasons are not enough to disprove the theory. Just because we humans ( the smartest beings in the universe) can't figure it out, doesn't it mean we have it wrong. Same goes to the theory of advanced ancient humans. But, I find it less likely, that we develop in such great cycles with no evidence of it, then E.T.'s coming here and screwing around a bit.

The other thing is this, how did these ancient humans have all this knowledge of our universe? For thousands of years afterwards scholars and other intelligent beings were coming up with ingenious ways of describing and mapping out our solar system, but nowhere near to the advancement of what we have today, or of that of the ancients. The mayan calender for example has been calculated to be extremely accurate with such complicated cycles such as precession, and the movement of the V.E.. How do these ancients calculate these things almost to the degree we are today number one, and number two why? Some of these calculations that were on the mayan calender had to do with things thousands of years in their past, as well as their future, why go so far in both directions?

reply to post by andersensrm


Comments:

The ancients were as smart as we were

They could observe the sky and record what they saw

They could do mathematics

The Maya (and earlier groups) probably had, as other cultures have had, a small group of mathematic genius who were able to figure out the basics

What they didn't do was come up with a physical model of the universe, understand what planets were etc, they could only work with what they saw, lights in the sky

They were astute craftmen

They were religious

They did stuff they thought would please the gods......

Evidence: we have evidence of people devising this technology, not a single sign of aliens or 'advanced humans', and that is pretty much the status of the debate

reply to post by Hanslune


Sure but, E.T.'s of any kind would have the technological means to destroy any "evidence"

This sure turned out to be on heck of a great thread.

Many great post and ideas.

thank you all.

(I have to admit... the whole... they did it by crushing/slamming rocks.... sorry.... Doesn't cut it....(no pun intended).

Still have yet to know what could have created such a perfect line in such a hard item.

As I said at the end of the Thread Title..... "Interesting"

Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by Hanslune

 

That he was.

It's a shame that people buy that BS without doing any research themselves.
"Aliens" seems to be the response to anything people don't bother to understand.

true. its more than obvious what die-hard-AABS believers´ ( ancient astronaut believe system) actual motives are:
to ignore and warp common scientific sense and to swap any evidence for speculation.
to post BS against better knowing all over again.

they NEVER could prove ANYthing alien. Neither today nor of ancient times.
they firstly would have to prove their allegedly ´alien evidence´ against any knowledge of spiritual beeings, angels, archangels, demons ..

I personally think that its possible that ancient people did have much more spiritual powers than we have today.
( using levitation, astral travel etc)

Originally posted by andersensrm
reply to post by Hanslune

 

Sure but, E.T.'s of any kind would have the technological means to destroy any "evidence"

...except for the rocks they cut for some odd reason....lol

I personally think that its possible that ancient people did have much more spiritual powers than we have today.

That they had intense religious feeling can be ascertained by what they built. Did they have paranormal powers? Probably not or at least there is no evidence that they did. They seemed to have done a lot of hard work with their hands, basic tools and single minded devotion

Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by casenately
I never understood how a person can study his whole life and still believe they built things in the distant past with bronze tools or worse, harder rocks...You have to be pretty dumb to think that, even without an education. Just look at that. They did that with rocks....really.....are you RE%&%&% ed...!

Since you never understood this, let me explain it to you.

It's because, unlike ignorant folk that never can understand it, they studied their whole life.

Harte

ah yes the eternal mystery about how you cannot split a rock.....

edit on 22/2/12 by Hanslune because: (no reason given)

OK.. just catching up here... to a point I agree with Hanslune... I have 3 generations previous me which were "Masons" and 'stone masons', the first two generations spending their entire lives working in stone, primarily limestone.

I have watched my father, more than once, with his 2 # hammer and his 'wide' chisel (the cutting edge was approximately 6 inches wide and about 1/2 thick tapered to a butter knife type of edge) go gently along three sides of a 4 foot by 4 foot by 4 foot block of limestone every foot or so, marking or scoring it as he said, and then with a few gentle, well placed taps of the 2 pound hammer on the chisel in a scored area on two or three sides, cut this block of stone in half.

Having said that however, although the cut seemed almost magical, the surface of the exposed limestone would have had to have had a great deal of sanding? shaping? or grinding? to make it appear as if it were 'saw cut' as the texture of the split face was open and if examined closely appeared to have been 'pulled apart', rather than neatly cut.

I have also seen channeling machines and wire saws cutting limestone while with my dad and grandfather and then while working summer jobs during college.

I would speculate this method (hammer and chisel) would only work on a soft stone like limestone or sandstone and I can't imagine it working on stone as hard as granite.

Also, I might emphasize the chisel (which I have both hammer and chisel for two generations) were made of iron and steel, not copper.

Edit: please let me add, even having an advanced degree myself, I believe one reason so many people do not believe the ingenuity and capabilities of ancient humans' is due in part to a terrible misconception that one must have a formal education with advanced degrees to perform mathematical and creative tasks such as the ancients. This is just not true.

I have always felt this attitude, whether created as disinformation by higher education institutions to sell "education" or otherwise is a terrible misconception and tends to create an atmosphere where many people seek alternative explanations to these ancient methods.

reply to post by OldCurmudgeon


Good comments

The rock we are seeing in this video is unindentified at an unindetified site (probably MP); I'm not a geologist so we don't know what kind of rock this is, when it was worked on, whether it has been altered* nor is a microscopic examination made. Since we don't know where or what it is there is no way to check the literature on this.

A microscopic examination would tell you the method of cutting, until then speculation is poor subsitute for actual investigation

As we know nothing about the rock we also don't know if it was modified during the reconstruction of this site

*Altered, having not seen the rock I've avoided noting that rock cuts can be modified after the fact to support one conclusion or another.

I would suggest that the best course of action would be for the ardent believers to put together the money to identify the rock and have it examined by 3 different specialist; such an examination would probably take between 25-40,000 USD, depending on who would be selected and their distance to the site.

reply to post by Hanslune


Great idea on the inspection.

I have a feeling that is exactly what is going to happen to that rock.

If by no one else, I will someday..... (in my dreams....)

Seriously though. I think a call to the A.A. Hunters is due. hopefully they come to ATS for info/leads.

Let me check.

Originally posted by Hanslune
reply to post by OldCurmudgeon

 

Good comments

The rock we are seeing in this video is unindentified at an unindetified site (probably MP); I'm not a geologist so we don't know what kind of rock this is, when it was worked on, whether it has been altered* nor is a microscopic examination made. Since we don't know where or what it is there is no way to check the literature on this.

A microscopic examination would tell you the method of cutting, until then speculation is poor subsitute for actual investigation

As we know nothing about the rock we also don't know if it was modified during the reconstruction of this site

*Altered, having not seen the rock I've avoided noting that rock cuts can be modified after the fact to support one conclusion or another.

I would suggest that the best course of action would be for the ardent believers to put together the money to identify the rock and have it examined by 3 different specialist; such an examination would probably take between 25-40,000 USD, depending on who would be selected and their distance to the site.

Thanks Hanslune,

I agree with your comments and I wonder if Syfy Channel, History Channel and or Science Channel, all who seem to spend large sums of money investigating and researching phenomena would be interested in financing a multi-episode program to research this phenomena?

A team of researchers from the university level could be sent to several different locations to sample these curious rocks and bring the samples back for testing.

I recall MysteryQuest having a forensic geologist who has done a great deal of work on stone in the past.

I would truly luv to have this analyzed so an actual scientific determination could be made and if these rocks were cut by ancient methods with ancient tools, then this could be filed as fact and investigation could move onto other interesting phenomena...

On an associated subject, i.e. I find those rocks which have obviously been cut by a circular saw to be of great interest too, although I think the evidecne clearly points to the fact early many, once equipment with metal could have easily built large round blade saws and powered them by simple wooden gear reduction with animals or manpower.

Originally posted by anon72
I saw this, watched it and thought.... who better than the ATSers who love this stuff. What do you think? I have to say that the guy makes a pretty good argument that there was more being used to build the great cultures than we know of or have been taught.

It makes me want to stand up and scream.... COME ON PEOPLE. OPEN YOU MINDS and EYES....

I am convinced that the current belief and teachings about our part are so wrong....

Let me know what you think.

Nice, I like how they went through and shown the difference and they are correct. Usually a society will keep the same type of building techniques. But it clearly shows that the indians who made the steps to grow food must have came to those ruins thousands of years after the cataclysm and decided to fill in the spaces where the blocks where.

reply to post by hoghead cheese


Or the guys who reconstructed it in the modern era got sloppy

reply to post by OldCurmudgeon


the way you describe it seems like a softer stone, like sandstone that was split that way with a steel ( no copper) hammer/ chisel, yes. That way, you also have to consider if there are any streakes in the stone that prevent it from straight splitting,

we only see those stoneworks through our modern, technically trained eyes..and only compare it to our techniques.

fantastic fotos, the author mentions that there is ´reconstruction´ been going on for some time, so this isnt the origianl state of the site.
CAUTION! AAT content!
www.paleoseti.com...

and look at the stone cut bridge ( inca architecture though)
www.paleoseti.com...

Most of the Incan sites were reconstructed and not very well, the pre-Incan site of Tiwanaku was also 'reset-up' in the 1960s and the guys who did it added to the mess by not keeping good records and cutting and drilling all over the place to make the site look like what they wanted it too.

Local businessmen often did this to make the tourist happy; they tended to do it wrong.

Hey Anti72 good photos in those links but the commentary does get redundant!