The Snake Behind the Arab Spring

This is a well written analysis of the entire ME situation
and the sudden revolution that is sweeping the arab world
This analysis make many good points to think off
Arab Spring

It is inconceivable that Mubarak, the wealthy ruthless head of state for thirty years and with long history in military service, did not have any loyal subjects in the army, who would help him crush the demonstrators. For the last thirty years the Egyptian army had been virtually armed, trained, and financed by the US. The army did not crush the protesters because there were strict orders not to do so.

That would explain why mubarak had no choice to left his power
if we compare Assad army .. there a big difference

The American chosen next president is already primed and ready for the proper time to grab presidency. As for Mubarak, he had served the American/Israeli interest well for the last thirty years and would not be let off empty handed. According to Egyptian weekly “Alanbaa Aldawlia” the Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere (CARE) organization, with 14 million members and specializes in the monitoring of money laundering schemes, had reported to the FBI that for 10% commission President Obama and 17 other American officials, including both former presidents Bush (father & son), Hillary Clinton, James Baker and others, with the cooperation of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and a high manager of Deutche Bank in France, had been involved in the money laundering of Mubarak’s $700 Billion from Deutche Bank, Barclays Bank and HSBC Bank, to Israel’s Bank Leumi and other banks in China and Taiwan.

They do know how to take care of the fortune of others
you conquer a new land kill the leader and steal his entire fortune

Gadhafi is another exemple .. tyran you say ?? think again

Libyan revolution was actually a civil war brokered by Western powers (US, UK, and France) and some Arab Gulf countries (Egypt, UAE, and Qatar). After paying reparations for Lockerbie bombing, abandoning his nuclear program, and giving Western energy companies (Royal Dutch Shell and BP) access to Libyan oil fields in 2004, Gaddafi had ended enmity with the West. Although he had a type of grandeur illusions Gaddafi attempted in the past to unite Arab countries, and upon failing he recently attempted to create an African Union which threatened the re-colonization plan of Africa by AFRICOM. The decision to get rid of Gaddafi, once and for all, came when he vowed to expel Western energy companies from the country and replace them with oil firms from China, India and Russia. Gaddafi’s second fatal mistake was his plan to convince African and Muslim counties to create a new currency, the gold dinar, to rival the American Dollar and the European Euro, in oil trade.

They got rid of him like Saddam
you dare try to create another currency or mess with our oil compagny
you will be hanged or shot in the head

Libyan revolution was totally militarized. It was revealed that Egypt and Qatar were the main arms suppliers to the Libyan rebels. Under American pressure Arab League urged UN to impose a no-fly zone over Libya, and Qatar offered to cover all expenses of NATO forces to bomb alleged Gaddafi’s forces. Libyan rebels were civilians without any military training and were no match for Gaddafi’s well-trained and well-equipped army. It was revealed by Walter Fauntroy, member of US House of Representatives, that while in a self-sanctioned peace mission to Libya, he witnessed French and Danish troops coordinating NATO bombings and raiding Libyan villages, and giving the credit to Libyan rebels. At the end Gaddafi was ordered murdered rather than captured for fear of exposing all his shady dealings with the West.

After you have read those important point read the rest on this site
and you will completely understand whats happening right now in the ME

Everything was planned and organized

Now they have an open door to strike Syria and Iran
and Russia and China will have an open door to finaly punish the USA and destroy the entire US fleet
It will come to that if Israel make the mistake to attack

God bless the innocent and oppressed

Whos the snake now ?

Yeah, and Jemens president Saleh found exile in the USA. Good work, everyone!

Can I ask you this?

If the US were to stop all activity's around the world and discontinue support for Israel , do you think things in the ME would be different?

Originally posted by LoonyConservative
Can I ask you this?

If the US were to stop all activity's around the world and discontinue support for Israel , do you think things in the ME would be different?

Thats a easy question !

Or course things would be different
and we wouldnt be in a situation where a WW3 can happen at anyday now

why interfering with others so far away
and having a strange sadistic ally in the ME (Israel)

US made a lot of bad choice and bad judgment
that will result with many americans being harmed

reply to post by Ben81


I dont think they wanted Mubarak to go. I followed it close. The US left it too the last minute before they called for him to step down. Same in Tunisia it was news blacked for weeks they wanted them regimes left as they were..

Libya a different kettle of fish. They gave the rebels a central bank a week into there protests and Syria they have been sending mercenries over and arming peeps up. These regimes they want to over throw.

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by Ben81

 

I dont think they wanted Mubarak to go. I followed it close. The US left it too the last minute before they called for him to step down. Same in Tunisia it was news blacked for weeks they wanted them regimes left as they were..

Libya a different kettle of fish. They gave the rebels a central bank a week into there protests and Syria they have been sending mercenries over and arming peeps up. These regimes they want to over throw.

They didnt want Saddam to go (remember Rumsfeld shaking hands with the king of Irak)
and look where that got him

Mubarak was lucky he wasnt killed like Saddam and Gadhafi
Assad will not have the same luck has Mubarak thats for sure
if he is capture

Originally posted by LoonyConservative
Can I ask you this?

If the US were to stop all activity's around the world and discontinue support for Israel , do you think things in the ME would be different?

Yes in only one regard...Israel would be utterly destroyed, other than that...not at all.

reply to post by Ben81


That is all pretty much correct, but I thought it was already common knowledge around these parts. Thumbs up none the less!

The reason why Egypt was first and highly publicized by the U.S. media was to ensure opinion for Mubarak's fall and most importantly to keep the Suez Canal open. Then, they moved to Libya to take the Libyan fields for Europe so that when the Syria and/or Iran mess really starts the West will be more-so covered when the price of oil skyrockets.

reply to post by Ben81


I regards to the OP, you make it sound like the U.S. is the one pushing for the entire ME being united under the Muslim Brotherhood, who just so happens to own 90% of the ME right now with the exception of Assad's Shiite regime and Iran. When the Muslim Brotherhood gains control of Syria Iran will be the only Shiite stronghold left and it too...will fall to the Muslim Brotherhood who has been trying hard since 1924 to recreate the Ottoman Empire and re-establish the Caliphate to unite all Islam.

Now answer me this. Where do you think the Ottoman Empire's eyes will turn when all of Islam is united under it? Little America...a.k.a. Israel...and they will come for Israel. The muslim brotherhood has already stated that when the Ottoman Empire is reborn they will finally conquer Rome after over 1000 years of trying to take Rome.

So, who has the most to gain from the ME being taken over by the muslim brotherhood led sunni's? Ultimately Islam will gain the most. They get to finally destroy Israel, and then conquer the entire old world and institute Sharia Law which would be a huge boon to Islam. How many billions of new converts would they gain for the push to "unite" all mankind under the banner of Islam and institute global Sharia? Do you think you will get to keep your religion, or your atheism when they have the entire world under their boot heels?

Someone is trying to conquer the entire world, the question is...who?

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


It is obviously the U.S.

But IMHO it's with the Saudi's help. They lead the Sunni's and the Muslim world in general. They don't like Shiite-Iranians and wanted the U.S. to go to war with them after Iraq. They only accept oil for dollars and they rarely, if ever, say anything bad about Israel. And if you don't think Saudi Arabia is on the U.S.'s side, check out the coincidental timing of the finding of Middle Eastern oil to when the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia was created and fought for. Perhaps, it was around the same time as the borders and puppets were drawn and installed for Iraq and Iran by the British and Americans?

Here is a good example of how it goes
The bankers are driving it all

There are pretty much 6 million jews in Israel by census this year...
just in time to full fill the kabbalistic prophesy - the real Holocaust or "simultanious burnt offering"
BTW, the recent late ex senior rab of Israel said the Jewish Messiach whom the christians call the antichrist is already amoungst us.

funny the guy the jews say will bring peace on earth is the greatest christian satan
go figure...
pass the POPcarn please

Why Bush Sr.'s 1991 Gulf War? To Protect Iranian Islamism
www.hirhome.com...
A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order by F. William Engdahl;

"In November 1978, President Carter named the Bilderberg group's George Ball, another member of the Trilateral Commission, to head a special White House Iran task force under the National Security Council's Brzezinski. Ball recommended that Washington drop support for the Shah of Iran and support the fundamentalistic Islamic opposition of Ayatollah Khomeini. Robert Bowie from the CIA was one of the lead 'case officers' in the new CIA-led coup against the man their covert actions had placed into power 25 years earlier.

Their scheme was based on a detailed study of the phenomenon of Islamic fundamentalism, as presented by British Islamic expert, Dr. Bernard Lewis, then on assignment at Princeton University in the United States. Lewis's scheme, which was unveiled at the May 1979 Bilderberg meeting in Austria, endorsed the radical Muslim Brotherhood movement behind Khomeini, in order to promote balkanization of the entire Muslim Near East along tribal and religious lines. Lewis argued that the West should encourage autonomous groups such as the Kurds, Armenians, Lebanese Maronites, Ethiopian Copts, Azerbaijani Turks, and so forth. The chaos would spread in what he termed an 'Arc of Crisis,' which would spill over into Muslim regions of the Soviet Union.

The coup against the Shah, like that against Mossadegh in 1953, was run by British and American intelligence, with the bombastic American, Brzezinski, taking public 'credit' for getting rid of the 'corrupt' Shah, while the British characteristically remained safely in the background.

During 1978, negotiations were under way between the Shah's government and British Petroleum for renewal of the 25-year old extraction agreement. By October 1978, the talks had collapsed over a British 'offer' which demanded exclusive rights to Iran's future oil output, while refusing to guarantee purchase of the oil. With their dependence on British-controlled export apparently at an end, Iran appeared on the verge of independence in its oil sales policy for the first time since 1953, with eager prospective buyers in Germany, France, Japan and elsewhere. In its lead editorial that September, Iran's Kayhan International stated:

In retrospect, the 25-year partnership with the [British Petroleum] consortium and the 50-year relationship with British Petroleum which preceded it, have not been satisfactory ones for Iran Looking to the future, NIOC [National Iranian Oil Company] should plan to handle all operations by itself.

London was blackmailing and putting enormous economic pressure on the Shah's regime by refusing to buy Iranian oil production, taking only 3 million or so barrels daily of an agreed minimum of 5 million barrels per day. This imposed dramatic revenue pressures on Iran, which provided the context in which religious discontent against the Shah could be fanned by trained agitators deployed by British and U.S. intelligence. In addition, strikes among oil workers at this critical juncture crippled Iranian oil production.

As Iran's domestic economic troubles grew, American 'security' advisers to the Shah's Savak secret police implemented a policy of ever more brutal repression, in a manner calculated to maximize popular antipathy to the Shah. At the same time, the Carter administration cynically began protesting abuses of 'human rights' under the Shah.

British Petroleum reportedly began to organize capital flight out of Iran, through its strong influence in Iran's financial and banking community. The British Broadcasting Corporation's Persian-language broadcasts, with dozens of Persian-speaking BBC 'correspondents' sent into even the smallest village, drummed up hysteria against the Shah. The BBC gave Ayatollah Khomeini a full propaganda platform inside Iran during this time. The British government-owned broadcasting organization refused to give the Shah's government an equal chance to reply. Repeated personal appeals from the Shah to the BBC yielded no result. Anglo-American intelligence was committed to toppling the Shah. The Shah fled in January, by February 1979, Khomeini had been flown into Tehran to proclaim the establishment of his repressive theocratic state to replace the Shah's government.

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reply to post by tooo many pills


It's not the U.S., you just think it is because thats what TPTB want you to think and see. Have everyone looking at and hating on the U.S. for the scapegoat as a diversion while the real people behind the scenes are the ones pulling the strings. This is an old old tactic theyre using...a decoy.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


just like germany
and all the wars going back hundereds of years
bankers bankers bankers on both sides as far as the eye can see...
and behind the bankers
the owners

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


Well, yes... There's no doubt there are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. But it is the U.S. that is expanding all over the world at a rapid pace. i.e. Military bases, CIA backed leaders, coups, economic expansion, technology, materialism, world wide news media, movies, and tv.

The only country that comes close to being in every country is China, but the only thing they have to offer is cheap mass-producing slave labor and products.


reply to post by Danbones


Great read!

Originally posted by tooo many pills
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

Well, yes... There's no doubt there are people behind the scenes pulling the strings. But it is the U.S. that is expanding all over the world at a rapid pace. i.e. Military bases, CIA backed leaders, coups, economic expansion, technology, materialism, world wide news media, movies, and tv.

The only country that comes close to being in every country is China, but the only thing they have to offer is cheap mass-producing slave labor and products.


reply to post by Danbones

 

Great read!

edit on 22-2-2012 by tooo many pills because: (no reason given)

Yes and we are finding out the same thing ancient Rome found out, that huge borders and massive amounts of territory are impossible to hold onto and will eventually make your country go broke and it's happening right now.

But.

If you conquered the world through a system of beliefs and laws, and thats what Islam is...it is a geo-political organization, an empire that recognizes no borders, yet (as in the case of the Palestinian Authority/Hamas) they push for boundaries to corall their enemies because they already know they do not recognize borders but most of their enemies do not know this, and if you pay attention to current world events, GB is being overtaken, the netherlands and switzerland practically already are taken over and the north eastern section of the U.S. is being invaded as well. You think it's the "bankers" that rule everything? What countries do most of the worlds exported oil come from? Right, the middle eastern Islamic nations, now are you getting the picture of who owns all the money? You can literally follow the paper trail of money all the way back to Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. What nations are trying to crash the U.S. dollar? Here's a hint, a couple year ago they traded in all their U.S. currency.

The richest nations on the earth are those who own the oil supply. Without oil you cannot operate your military equipment that needs crude oil based fossil fuels to run their engines. You can have all the gold in the world but it's the oil that drives the economy. You can't convert gold into gasoline, diesel, or jet fuel which people need to go to work, trucks need to haul goods and supplies, or groceries to the people, ships need to ship goods overseas and jets need to haul military equipment, or passengers around the world. If you cut off a nations oil supply, you can completely destroy them because the entire world is spo dependant on fossil fuels it isn't funny.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

Yes and we are finding out the same thing ancient Rome found out, that huge borders and massive amounts of territory are impossible to hold onto and will eventually make your country go broke and it's happening right now.

Totally agree with that. Every single Empire the world has ever known has collapsed for this reason. BUT, the bankers have almost reached total control of every single country in the world's central banks. There are a few countries they do not control monetarily. I believe they are Syria, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela. Libya and Iraq were on that list. China is obviously in their pocket and it is my opinion that they took Russia after the U.S.S.R collapsed.

But. If you conquered the world through a system of beliefs and laws, and thats what Islam is...it is a geo-political organization, an empire that recognizes no borders, yet (as in the case of the Palestinian Authority/Hamas) they push for boundaries to corall their enemies because they already know they do not recognize borders but most of their enemies do not know this, and if you pay attention to current world events, GB is being overtaken, the netherlands and switzerland practically already are taken over and the north eastern section of the U.S. is being invaded as well. You think it's the "bankers" that rule everything? What countries do most of the worlds exported oil come from? Right, the middle eastern Islamic nations, now are you getting the picture of who owns all the money? You can literally follow the paper trail of money all the way back to Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. What nations are trying to crash the U.S. dollar? Here's a hint, a couple year ago they traded in all their U.S. currency.

The richest nations on the earth are those who own the oil supply. Without oil you cannot operate your military equipment that needs crude oil based fossil fuels to run their engines. You can have all the gold in the world but it's the oil that drives the economy. You can't convert gold into gasoline, diesel, or jet fuel which people need to go to work, trucks need to haul goods and supplies, or groceries to the people, ships need to ship goods overseas and jets need to haul military equipment, or passengers around the world. If you cut off a nations oil supply, you can completely destroy them because the entire world is spo dependant on fossil fuels it isn't funny.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that the U.K., the Netherlands, Switzerland and the east coast of the U.S. have already been conquered by Islam? Do any of those countries have Islamic delegates of any type in their governments? Maybe, 1 or 2?

Those Middle Eastern nations that own the current and in-use oil reserves ONLY trade oil for dollars! If you follow the paper trail all the way to where it starts... i.e. the Federal Reserve/bankers/U.S. They print dollars out of nothing! Seriously, as many dollars as they want. Thus, we get all of our oil for technically nothing. The U.S. military is just the muscle for TPTB who are after total central bank and scarce resource control.

reply to post by Ben81

If the US were to stop getting involved in the Mideast as well as covertly in the Arab spring things will definitely remain the same with a few skirmishes every now and then and thats all. The Muslim Brotherhood are just waiting on the sidelines for this ( Arab Spring ) to happen so that they could ride the wave to take over the governments. The couldn't do it themselves even though they are more organised with an agenda so they need this upheaval to spearhead the goal. Once the Mideast countries are under their control THEN that is when the Mideast will be different. They now have a Muslim Brotherhood entity in place just like Europe have NATO. That is when they will turn back and bite you.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Ben81

 

I regards to the OP, you make it sound like the U.S. is the one pushing for the entire ME being united under the Muslim Brotherhood, who just so happens to own 90% of the ME right now with the exception of Assad's Shiite regime and Iran. When the Muslim Brotherhood gains control of Syria Iran will be the only Shiite stronghold left and it too...will fall to the Muslim Brotherhood who has been trying hard since 1924 to recreate the Ottoman Empire and re-establish the Caliphate to unite all Islam.

Now answer me this. Where do you think the Ottoman Empire's eyes will turn when all of Islam is united under it? Little America...a.k.a. Israel...and they will come for Israel. The muslim brotherhood has already stated that when the Ottoman Empire is reborn they will finally conquer Rome after over 1000 years of trying to take Rome.

So, who has the most to gain from the ME being taken over by the muslim brotherhood led sunni's? Ultimately Islam will gain the most. They get to finally destroy Israel, and then conquer the entire old world and institute Sharia Law which would be a huge boon to Islam. How many billions of new converts would they gain for the push to "unite" all mankind under the banner of Islam and institute global Sharia? Do you think you will get to keep your religion, or your atheism when they have the entire world under their boot heels?

Someone is trying to conquer the entire world, the question is...who?

It looks like to me that the globalists want to have the Islamists and the hardline Zionists fight it out. Which will lead to a few more wars the likes of which we have never seen. There will be sickness as biological warfare and atomic contamination will take many people as will GMO and other tricks.
After that war, a future peaceful, cooperative civilization will be established on Earth - with about half the people. It will be a shame to be a member of an Abrahamic faith, but there will be a return, in a sense, of what progressive Christians call the Christ force. We will want no more war.
Does that make sense to you?