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Originally posted by buster2010
Originally posted by Skyfloating
I found a chart sourced from the IRS that shows how the top 10% of income earners paid 71% of federal income tax. This is pretty interesting because it would mean that all those calls that the rich should pay more taxes or that they dont pay enough taxes are wrong. The 10%ers seem to be paying plenty of taxes.
The people saying they don't pay their share is right. Everyone should be paying the same percentage in taxes. Everyone that cries they pay too much just looks at amounts never percent of income.
How quick you are to put words in the mouth of others, clearly all knowledge begins and ends with you. I don't live in a fantasy world, I live in this one and the rule of law is no longer followed by the rich or the poor.
And how quick you are to impose your twisted world view on others. Clearly your vision of the world begins and ends with you.
You are pivoting to the validity of the Income tax, why can't you stick to what we were dicussing earlier? The previous spending to GDP was not insane, but I guess you are going to find a way to twist the notions of insanity too. In my opinion 40% secured debt to earnings operational costs is not insane, many companies take on
I suppose Hitler did not not kill 6 million Jews because he only talked about it, huh? Congress enacted exactly what Regan preached, he signed the budgets, again, he signed the budgets.
What are you arguing anyways?
Recoup means that government spends and does contribute their income to private endeavors, through contracts and liabilities. Regan's fight against the USSR was exactly an exercise in taking on debt to achieve profits at a later date.
Let me guess, you are one of those who believes in the personal sovereignty movement aren't you. You accuse me of being a collectivist; but, then accuse me of not being and just being about myself. Please, make up your mind.
My twisted world view is a return to the Constitution and cooperation.
Originally posted by MidnightTide
I notice how some people only look at the rich, how about those who sit on the government dime. Why do they get a free pass? Sure, make the rich pay more, then lets make those who are dependent on the government start paying their share.
Originally posted by ignant
If they paid that much it could only mean they are making so much money.
How can only a tiny percent of Americans be FILTHY RICH Billionaires while the rest, the MAJORITY of Americans make little or none (and still pay hefty tax on their tiny income).
Ha! Having a hard time expressing your frustration at being labeled a collectivist are you? Only a collectivist would attempt to find a pejorative to describe an individual who is arguing for the efficacy of natural unalienable rights. Sigh.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by jacklondonmiller
First of all, and in particular especially because of the fact that the dramatic rise in national debt began after the passage of a perpetual income tax, the validity of the income tax should be the basis of any discussion of government fiscal responsibility or any of the "fair share" arguments others want to make. If we are going to have a discussion on income tax why wouldn't we begin with its validity?
Secondly, when you speak of 40% secured debt to earnings/operational costs you are speaking of business and even then this 40% secured debt can only have validity with certain businesses under certain circumstances and is no cookie cutter formula for all businesses, and most importantly, government is not business and when government operates under this paradigm their expectation of revenue is taxation. However the "taxpayer" is not a stockholder in that they will not see any dividends from any "profit" gained later from secured debt now. None of that has anything to do with how government works and is nothing more than just more gibberish.
The Nuremberg trials demonstrated handily that more than just Hitler were held accountable for that genocide and many Nazi's were hung after that trial for their crimes of genocide. In your analogous world Congress would get a get out of jail free card and only Regan hung. Whatever.
With you specifically my argument is that your insistence on sloppy language being treated as factual data is not okay, and in a site that prides itself on "denying ignorance", your continued insistence that the national debt began with Regan is ignorance and should most assuredly be denied. I have made this point several times now. Think you'll get it this time?
The government is not a business and does not function on a for profit basis. It is one thing to make analogies and another entirely to speak of government as if it is just another business. Further, recoup means what it means and if you are seeking to redefine the word then you might want to clarify that.
The Preamble for the United States of America quite succinctly and in easy to understand language puts forth all that government was mandated to do in the United Sates, and your business model is no where to be seen.