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Colonel Fletcher Prouty Discusses Secret U.S. Air Force UFO Office at the Pentagon

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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 04:38 AM
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For those of us who know little about the good colonel and would like to know more...try reading l Fletcher Prouty, fearless truth teller or crackpot here., its a comprehensive list of his ermmmm....mistakes.




posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 06:06 AM
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Firstly...a quote from the link you provided..."He insisted last week that there be no motorcycle escort and that his motorcade stop for traffic lights"...almost made me cry. Such a down to earth human being. I was always deeply upset with those "special" motorcades that don't follow any traffic laws, and the guards are always very aggressive.

Secondly...not to go any further...this link stinks a bit. For example...Nixon said when asked where he was during the assasination: "He said he learned of the President's death while in a taxi driving from Idlewild Airport. He said a citizen ran into the street, hailed the cab — not knowing who was inside — and excitedly told him, "The President has been shot."

This is also unverifiable I presume? And it is put right there as confirmation of "reality" as opposed to wild speculation of Prouty. So he was obviously traveling in a civilian capacity (since using a taxi), so I doubt this info, provided by the Nixon himself, can be confirmed. This little bit about some citizen stopping the cab (not knowing who was inside ) to let the cabbie know what had happened, seems planted as to give virtual credence to this story. Also...can Nixon be trusted to tell the truth, after everything ???

Also...second bit about presidential protection...nowhere in it does it say that what he told about the lack of protection was not true, only that the president himself requested lighter security measures and it was his decision.

I'm not saying that Prouty was dead on right on everything. He also probably speculated some things in maybe tryng to put together pieces of the story. However, considering his background and history...I wouldn't be too quick to doubt everything he says.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 06:41 AM
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Proutyism #5 - Reality bit

Questions: There is no mention of Houston ship? Was there a ship Houston or wasn't there? Since this article is a an attempt to debunk and discredit, I would assume that they would jump at the chance to say that there was no Houston ship either, yet it is not mentioned. Two other names are mentioned....



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by IsaacKoi

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Very interesting stuff mate


Yes it is (as is usally the case with Karl's threads), but:


Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
and Colonel Fletcher Prouty is definitely a very strong witness.



Er, no - not really...

Prouty's credibility is in fact, um (how can I say this politely...), very limited.

I can dig out some notes if anyone is interested but in short Prouty has real credibility problems.


Can always rely on you IK
and I'm not surprised that as with so many strong witnesses within this field, there are always counter arguments on credibility. No-one seems to be "clean" here

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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Originally posted by IsaacKoi
Prouty's credibility is in fact, um (how can I say this politely...), very limited.

I can dig out some notes if anyone is interested but in short Prouty has real credibility problems.



Originally posted by MarrsAttax
I'd be glad to hear more about this if you don't mind digging out your notes.


Okay, I've dug out some notes on Prouty's UFO claims.

In relation to Prouty's credibility (including his relationship with the Church of Scientology) and his record as to accuracy, see the two links below (particularly the second):

en.wikipedia.org...

mcadams.posc.mu.edu...

Tim Good interviewed Prouty in 1994 about his (alleged) UFO incident. See the discussion of this incident at the beginning of Chapter 14 (at pages 205-206) of Tim Good's "Need to Know".

Barry Greenwood's inventory of correspondence files include one relating to "Prouty, G Fletcher" (although the Fletcher Prouty relevant to your question was "L Fletcher Prouty" - query whether there is a typographical error in Barry's inventory. I know there has been another Prouty active in ufology (Herbert L Prouty, of MUFON) but I'm doubtful there are that many Fletcher Prouty around...). Barry may have extracted more precise information and/or already looked into the alleged incident.

There is a brief (and rather dismissive) reference to Prouty discussing this incident (in the context of a review of the documentary "UFO: The Untold Story" (1994)) in the IUR issue for Spring 1996, at page 12. The reviewer contrasts Prouty with "sensible-sounding types" like Nick Pope.

Prouty can be seen in that documentary discussing this (alleged) incident. That documentary can be watched online, with the relevant part being at 6 minutes 50 second onwards of the Part at the link below (which I think is the same video posted by Karl, but this one is a better quality copy):
www.youtube.com...



Prouty himself wrote an article in 1983 about his (alleged) UFO incident, which can be found online at the link below:
www.prouty.org...

All the discussions of that alleged UFO incident that I've seen trace back (directly or indirectly) to Prouty himself rather than any of the other alleged witnesses.


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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Sweet deal. Better watch it when I have time, his story must sound really interesting when he's that brave to stand up to his superiors.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by randomname
Everybody wants more proof.

I guess they're waiting for wolf blitzer to announce it on tv to make it real.

Ignoring serious testimony from high ranking military officials, pilots and the tens of thousands of everyday ordinary folks going about their business before they were interrupted by the unbelievable.


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I've come to believe that, the resistance of people to believe in alien life generally is tied to religion. If alien life is real..those stories in the bible get a lot more interesting..it threatens their worldview on religion, it threatens their worldview on human superiority. Therefore, in the mind of such an individual, UFO's/Aliens cannot exist lalalalala(fingers in ears).

Meanwhile, they've been here from jumpstreet.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 12:44 PM
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Yes, in it's literary sense UFO can mean any object in the air unidentified.

However, it has become a byword in English lexicon for an object whose performance, visual and auditory characteristics leave it unidentifiable.

You have the to this day unsolved Tehran UFO incident of 1976, and then you have the Russian strategic bomber appearing as an unknown blip on RAF Lossiemouth radar three minutes ago.

Furthermore, many here outline the possibility of Fletcher's UFO being some military project.
At least with our terrestrial culprits, their methods are predictable. I mean, before official acknowledgement of the F-117 Nighthawk, how many airline passengers reported seeing it fly side by side with them? Why would the US Air Force do that? Do you think in 1944 the Luftwaffe flew evaluation flights of their Me-163 rocket plane over Central London?



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Morg234
Yes, in it's literary sense UFO can mean any object in the air unidentified.

However, it has become a byword in English lexicon for an object whose performance, visual and auditory characteristics leave it unidentifiable.

You have the to this day unsolved Tehran UFO incident of 1976, and then you have the Russian strategic bomber appearing as an unknown blip on RAF Lossiemouth radar three minutes ago.

Furthermore, many here outline the possibility of Fletcher's UFO being some military project.
At least with our terrestrial culprits, their methods are predictable. I mean, before official acknowledgement of the F-117 Nighthawk, how many airline passengers reported seeing it fly side by side with them? Why would the US Air Force do that? Do you think in 1944 the Luftwaffe flew evaluation flights of their Me-163 rocket plane over Central London?



It's never been or ever will be military practice to perform test flights of new aircraft near populated areas. Yes, flights have countless times "bumped" into secret aircraft but incidents over populated areas, particularly large UFOs are no way military aircraft imo



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 02:45 PM
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This is a classic story!
Claiming the object was black ops government craft back in 1954 doesn't seem plausible to me, considering the flight characteristics reported, among other reasons.
So, all this comes down to now is people attacking the credibility of the witness. When all else fails claim that it couldn't have happened and was a fabricated lie. (I dont think the Colonel had much to gain by making these statements) I mean, come on, you can dig up dirt on almost anyone. We are human beings, we make mistakes. Imagine if we held everyone accountable for everything they have ever done. Unless we can find direct lies in his statements regarding the MATTER AT HAND then we can't shoot the messenger. The best way to find out about Colonel Prouty's character would be to do some actual research and speak to his family, friends and co-workers. Ask them some questions about the guy, see what they have to say. Speaking to the actual crew on the flight is obviously the key to all of this. I'm still reserving judgment in this case, however, I am leaning towards the side of validity.
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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Credential problems? more like denial for you guys. Did you look at where this man worked? What he worked on? People with Credential problems don't have a resume like his. Either some of you guys are total idiots or your trying to suppress information.If anyone has Credential problems is you negative poster lets see your resume no top level security jobs I bet. oh right I forgot most you needed top level security to handle french fries and flip burgers at McDonalds.


Between 1946–49 he was assigned by the U.S. Army to Yale University, where he also taught, to begin the first USAF ROTC program. From 1950–52 he transferred to Colorado Springs to establish Air Defense Command. From 1952–54 he was assigned to Korean War duties in Japan where he served as Military Manager for Tokyo International Airport (Haneda) during the US Occupation.
From 1955–1964 he was assigned to U.S. Air Force Headquarters where he directed the creation of an Air Force worldwide system for "Military Support of the Clandestine Operations of the CIA", as required by a new National Security Council Directive, 5412 of March, 1954. As a result of a CIA Commendation for this work he was awarded the Legion of Merit by the US Air Force, and was promoted to Colonel being assigned to the Office of the Secretary of Defense.
With the creation of the Defense Intelligence Agency by Secretary McNamara and the abolishment of the OSO, he was transferred to the Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to create a similar, worldwide office and was the Chief of Special Operations, with the Joint Staff all during 1962–1963. He received orders to travel as the Military Escort officer for a group of VIPs who were being flown to the South Pole, November 10–28, 1963, to activate a nuclear power plant for heat, light and sea water desalination at the United States Navy Base at McMurdo Sound, Antarctica.
Retiring as a Colonel in the U.S. Air Force in 1964 he was awarded one of the first three Joint Chiefs of Staff Commendation Medals by General Maxwell D. Taylor, Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 04:45 PM
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Originally posted by Tachyeon
Credential problems? more like denial for you guys. Did you look at where this man worked? What he worked on? People with Credential problems don't have a resume like his. Either some of you guys are total idiots or your trying to suppress information.


Nobody has raised any problems regarding Prouty's credentials.

I referred to some problems regarding Prouty's credibility.

Did you look at the information at the two links from my notes on Prouty?

In relation to your point about people with "a resume like this" not having "credential" problems, surely the point applied with even more force to Prouty's boss? And you saw what his boss said about Prouty in one part of the second of the links I gave? Just in case, I'll quote that bit below:

mcadams.posc.mu.edu...


Prouty's "Wacky Imagination"

Prouty's boss at the Pentagon was General Edward Lansdale. He described Prouty in Edward Lansdale: The Unquiet American by Cecil B. Currey:



I continue to be surprised to find Fletcher Prouty quoted as an authority. He was my "cross to bear" before Dan Ellsberg came along. Fletch is the one who blandly told the London Times that I'd invented the Huk Rebellion, hired a few actors in Manila, bussed them out to Pampanga, and staged the whole thing as press agentry to get RM [Magsaysay] elected. He was a good pilot of prop-driven aircraft, but had such a heavy dose of paranoia about CIA when he was on my staff that I kicked him back to the Air Force. He was one of those who thought I was secretly running the Agency from the Pentagon, despite all the proof otherwise. (p. 384)


Elsewhere, Lansdale comments on Prouty's "wacky imagination" (ibid.). As if to confirm what Lansdale says, Prouty claimed to see Lansdale in a photo of the three tramps under arrest in Dealey Plaza at the time of the assassination!


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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 06:34 PM
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Typical read and as expected after the first few lines. Here’s a perspective. Who gives a damn? Most humans are intolerable. Half the world spends its time trying to kill the other half. Screw the Aliens. If they were worth a damn they would have shown up on the White House lawn fifty years ago with the cure for Cancer. As it is they will just be someone else we need to take a shot at, as they will likely be assholes like the rest. Be glad you have not seen one of the big headed green/blue bastards. Chances are all they want is a feel and a probe same as the pervert down the street. If they show I say eat em before one decides to marry your daughter. Best weapon against invasion, Bobby Flay and a good grill.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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S&F, even though this info is old, it's worth bringing back up.

When I first got into the UFO material many years ago, I was overwhelmed by the sheer quantity of testimony from credible witnesses. Col, Prouty is a credible witness.

It still amazes me that there are people who insist there is NO credible evidence of the existence of UFO's.
It's obvious to me that they either have never bothered to look at the evidence or simply do not want to know.

Clearly, the function of "Project Blue Book" was PR & denial. Their job was to re-assure the public that it's all swamp gas. The real UFO investigation was being conducted in secret by an agency that does not "officially" exist.

Quaneeri's thread on the JFK assassination is worth reading. That's another topic that raises my hackles. Anyone who believes Oswald was a lone gunman is someone who has never bothered to read up on it. He doesn't want to know the truth.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 09:19 PM
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Originally posted by DaTroof
UFO doesn't mean spaceship.

The "U" means unidentified... as in country of origin. Are these German aircraft? Russian? Chinese? British? Any aircraft not identified as part of any country's Air Force is classified as a UFO. So anyone saying the DoD/FBI/etc. has a UFO division isn't lying... but that doesn't prove the existence of aliens.


I think most here are aware of that. I think we can rule out the Russians, Chinese, and British -- this was back in 1954. As for the Nazis, yes, it's true they had amazing designs and were way ahead in theory -- but if they had working models of all their wonder weapons, they would have won the war.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by MissingRonnieR
Typical read and as expected after the first few lines. Here’s a perspective. Who gives a damn? Most humans are intolerable. Half the world spends its time trying to kill the other half. Screw the Aliens. If they were worth a damn they would have shown up on the White House lawn fifty years ago with the cure for Cancer. As it is they will just be someone else we need to take a shot at, as they will likely be assholes like the rest. Be glad you have not seen one of the big headed green/blue bastards. Chances are all they want is a feel and a probe same as the pervert down the street. If they show I say eat em before one decides to marry your daughter. Best weapon against invasion, Bobby Flay and a good grill.


Thanks, MissingR, I haven't laughed so hard in a while.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by andy1972
For those of us who know little about the good colonel and would like to know more...try reading l Fletcher Prouty, fearless truth teller or crackpot here., its a comprehensive list of his ermmmm....mistakes.



I will check out the info on your link.
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posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Listen to the man in his own words - he was the liason between the CIA & Air Force and worked closely with Allen Dulles. The guy sounds credible to me.

www.blackopradio.com...

Show #531
Original airdate: June 16, 2011
Guest: Fletcher Prouty / Jim DiEugenio


Play Part One - Fletcher Prouty

•Fletcher Prouty Jan 24th 1917- June 5th 2001
•Defense Dept and CIA ... Hiding weapons thru Reimbursement of funds
•The Secret Team - Al Haig, Richard Secord, Joe Califano, Frank Hand - at the White House level
•Background to the Vietnam MIA problem
•Discusses the change from War Dept. to Defense Dept.
•Mr President, please define 'It'... what is it, that we can do to win the war"?
•Malthus and genicide economic warfare - the battle for oil and then food.
•"The Arab Oil Embargo"
•More at The Col Prouty Reference Site www.prouty.org

Show #530
Original airdate: June 9, 2011
Guest: Archived Video/ Fletcher Prouty
Topics: RFK Assassination

Play Part One - Video Part One


•Investigative Reports researched the RFK Assassaination
•Show was only played once... then pulled.
•76 people in the pantry contradict the official story
•RFK's last interview states he will withdraw from Vietnam if elected.
•Witness testimony differs from LA police and District Attorney
•Sirhan always in front of RFK wounds from behind
•Balistics expert lied


www.blackopradio.com...

Show #566
Original airdate: Feb 16, 2012
Guest: Len Osanic / Fletcher Prouty
Topics: JFK Research

Play Part Two - Fletcher Prouty (2:40:32) Real Media or MP3 download

•The Secret Team (Fletcher Prouty, 1973), Understanding Special Operations (David Ratcliffe, 1999)

David Ratcliffe also appeared on Black Op Radio shows #013, #154,
#155, #461, #474, #475, #477, #478, #479, #482, #504 and #563

www.blackopradio.com...



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by andy1972
For those of us who know little about the good colonel and would like to know more...try reading l Fletcher Prouty, fearless truth teller or crackpot here., its a comprehensive list of his ermmmm....mistakes.



I checked out the info on your link and to me Prouty's testimony about UFO's is NOT discredited.
The link has NOTHING to do with UFOs.

People went to a lot of trouble to try to discredit Prouty's stories about the JFK assassination:
"JFK: The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy.

JFK was aware of the existence of the "High Cabal" (to use Winston Churchill's phrase).

The "High Cabal" and their minions have very good reasons to smear Prouty's credibility. So they went about nitpicking some of Prouty's stories:

Prouty thought Nixon was still in Dallas when JFK was shot. Nixon had already left Dallas a few hours earlier.
It boils down to who do you believe? Nixon or Prouty?

Prouty believed the harbormaster in Guam that huge shipments of US arms were sent to Korea & Vietnam right after WWII. Huge amounts of US arms did go to Vietnam & Korea, but the official story of how US arms got into Vietnam & Korea is different.

Was Prouty mislead by the harbormaster? Who has better reasons to lie? However those US arms got there, they helped arm both the Vietnamese & Koreans in civil wars. Which profited the US military industrial complex.

I would not trust an essay written by the Leftist Chip Berlet used to smear Prouty as a person suspicious of Jews and Socialist Progressives. (People have good reasons to be suspicious of both the powerful Jewish banking cartels and Socialist Progressives: both spelled the destruction of the original Republic.)

So Berlet attacks Prouty as a Right Wing fascist because Liberty Lobby published an essay written by Prouty.
I'm not buying it -- Berlet was a Left-wing hatchet man.

As for Prouty being suspicious of how quickly the "Christchurch Star" had info on Oswald, I don't blame him.
It's not like today, where a reporter could quickly access a computerized newspaper archive and the Internet.
Prouty's memory of how quickly the paper came out is wrong -- there was no special morning edition according to the Christchurch Star.

Overall, the info on that link does not discredit Prouty in my eyes. Prouty's resume speaks volumes about who this man was.



posted on Feb, 22 2012 @ 11:06 PM
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The disinformation crowd must attack Prouty cause he strikes right at the heart of the military industrialist complex so it doesn't surprise me they showed up. Send in the clowns - don't worry their here...




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