Iran Warns of Pre-Emptive Action in Nuclear Dispute

Originally posted by WALDOP
reply to post by TheGreatest

 

Now why on earth would Israel do something like that. You talk as if israel has done bad things before. They are God's chosen and deserve to be respected and not lied about.

They can do no wrong and our children are dying daily and killing those nasty evil mooooslems just to prove how right Israel is.

You anti-ashkemazis ,er anti-kazar,,,,,,,er anti-semites should be banned from ever speaking again and locked away for your lies against the chosen of god.

shame on you

Your defending a country that has openly criticised and threatened Iran in the last couple of months and is currently disobeying international treaties that prevent Jewish settlers from occupying Palestinian land in the west bank, yet more and more housing establishments continue to thrive.

Israel has no love for any middle eastern country, FACT.
Israel has openly threatened Iran, FACT.
Israel is a key suspect in several terrorist attacks within Iran's borders, FACT.

Don't bring your religiously biased opinions into a news thread, if your going to debate you need to do it with an open mind.

reply to post by WALDOP


Would the esteemed member from the great State of denial yield for a question....

Actually the IRIB / IRNA and PressTV have all reported on executions in Iran due to being gay.The Iranian penal code (sections 107/108/109/110 deal with sex acts) and Sharia law states the same thing. In typical fashion with the wipe Israel off the map denial, in 2007 he stated to an American audience that Iran had no gay people living there. After the flack started, one of his spokespeople stated Ahmadinejad misspoke.

Then again speaking does become difficult with the amount of shoes Ahmadinejad keeps putting in his mouth.

reply to post by TheGreatest


# talking as usual. They talk a good chess game that is about it. They had plenty of opportunity when we sailed the weakest carrier through the straight.

What did they do.

Wow look at that thing wow e wow wow.wowwowwowwowwowwowwowwowwow:

THATS RIGHT THEY SAT THERE AND DID #E.

WHY?
WHY? WHY? Any one got that answer??? NOT

Please tell me.

Cause the got no game they are is disarray. Their people will rise up very soon very soon it will all be over. Watch you will see.

Mark the date.:

Originally posted by spy66
reply to post by theBigToe

 

Very cool.

Theres a reason we let Israel have nuclear weapons.

Study the Yom Kippur War.

Well if that is your reason. Iran has even a bigger reason to acquire their own nuclear weapon, because Iran's future is now being threatened by the US/EU and Israel.

Don't Iran have the right to defend themselves the way they see fit like you state Israel have?

No. Iran cant even govern its own country with some sense of Humanity.

A country needs to prove to the international community first that it should be allowed to have nuclear weapons before it just decides to start building them. If you cant be responsible with Human lives in your own country, then why on Earth would anybody be in favor of letting you build nuclear weapons?

Nuclear energy doesnt just concern one country, it concerns the world, and therefore, the world has every right as much as that country to oppose them having nuclear weapons, and contrary to what the other guy said, the international community widely supports the United States on this issue.

The international community has done everything that it possibly can to avoid a war, so dont call us the war mongers when we stick to our word and do what we said we will if they dont comply. We own the world. Were not giving it back to the real war mongering, fascists that currently and blatantly abuse their rights in power by victimizing minorities and who in previous times, brought the world into the most catastrophic wars our species has ever had to fight.

Sorry. Its not gonna happen.

Originally posted by Unity_99
I want all nuclear dismantled on this planet. And that goes for the US and Russia too, and all nuclear power plants. Pre-emptive nuclear attack is not even thinkable and all the leaders serve the group of dark hat psycho's controlling this world.

Also advanced nuclear detection capacity and technology that incapacitates all of it, unless its cold fusion or something that enhances society in a peaceful way, its evil.

Nuclear is primitive compared to their real scalar type technology to begin with. Lauren Moret said they developed it at the same time and ionized our ionosphere with the nuclear to create the platform needed for their real super weapons that were scalar.

And that needs to be used only in ways that enhance progression and equality of all people, not through nuking our atmosphere and not weaponry.

Rather see high technology sniffing out strongholds of corruption and turning all their weapons off.

edit on 21-2-2012 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)

I think in order to settle wars, we should put our presidents in the boxing ring. I admit, there isn't much meat on Barry's bones, but he might be able to throw a punch or two. Now, if Paul is elected, we're screwed!

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
ETA: if Iran were to strike today, most the world would consider it self defense, not preemptive. These sanctions and assassinations are acts of war, nothing less.

Nah, they wouldn't. If Iran struck first, the world would consider it an act of war and proceed to pound them into dust.

Originally posted by spy66

If this was even half true Israel should be hit hard from the west as well, according to your standard. The IAEA is not allowed and has never inspected Israels nuclear ambitions ever.

Does Israel have a right to cry? Yes they do. But that is all they have a right to do. Israel is demanding something from Iran. Something Israel never would allow them selves, and that is to be controlled or inspected by the west or the IAEA.

Your logic makes sense but only for the sake of argument. The international laws are mostly written by the powerful and when even these laws seem to obstruct their agendas, then the powerful find it very convenient to change the same laws that they wrote and pushed.

All this pre-emptive talk by Iran is just replying to the pressure put in it by the West in many forms. Iran knows that it does not have the capacity to stand to west for even a week, but there is a world of difference between talking and actually doing.

Virtually every day, we have US, UK, Israel or Iran puffing out their chest and making some sort of threat.

What is interesting me is the psychological war games going on here. Clearly Iran is trying to buy time to finish off its nuclear weaponry - this is just stalling tactics.I think as well that US and Israel are having a pretend barney (like those between judges on the X Factor) to lead Iran off the scent to think that they are in disarray and not close to co-operation for a war.

So under all this claim and counter claim, there are moves afoot that do not necessarily match the rhetoric.

As proof, did you know that in Gulf War 1, Schwarzkopf let a rumour go around that US were told not to set foot in Iraq by the Arab countries. He did not start the rumour but he made sure it got airing without denying it so that the Iraqis thought that the Americans could not attack coming from within Iraq.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
The thread title is misleading since no where in the article does it mention a preemptive strike.

First paragraph

LONDON — As tension grew in its nuclear dispute with the West, Iran was reported on Tuesday to have struck an increasingly bellicose tone, warning that it would take pre-emptive action against perceived foes

Israel may be contemplating a military strike against nuclear facilities,

“Our strategy now is that if we feel our enemies want to endanger Iran’s national interests, and want to decide to do that, we will act without waiting for their actions.”

Guess I read a different article

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I think Bush was trying to start the Gog-Magog war. Listen to the countries mentioned, they are the same actors who will be in that war minus Russia.

Originally posted by TheGreatest

Originally posted by WALDOP
reply to post by TheGreatest

 

You anti-ashkemazis ,er anti-kazar,,,,,,,er anti-semites should be banned from ever speaking again and locked away for your lies against the chosen of god.

shame on you

Your defending a country that has openly criticised and threatened Iran in the last couple of months and is currently disobeying international treaties that prevent Jewish settlers from occupying Palestinian land in the west bank, yet more and more housing establishments continue to thrive.

Israel has no love for any middle eastern country, FACT.
Israel has openly threatened Iran, FACT.
Israel is a key suspect in several terrorist attacks within Iran's borders, FACT.

Don't bring your religiously biased opinions into a news thread, if your going to debate you need to do it with an open mind.

Israel has no love for them, because they invaded or tried to wipe out Israel more than once.
Iran has done a lot more than threaten Israel over the years pal.
Yeah recently, how many times has the Hezbollah or Hamas attacked Israel?

Originally posted by EvolEric
This post isnt meant to offend...

Nor is it meant to please either...

Iran can suck it...

Why does the masses here at ATS love Iran?
Have conspiracies blinded us?
Cos all i hear 90% if the time is "poor poor iran"

Cos last time I checked Iran wasnt exactly the poster child for "peace and love"

Executing left and right over barbaric ideologies...

They are extreme fundsmentalists seeking nuclear weapons...

Their idea of sound foreign relations is pink drone toys...

If Iran strikes first they deserve what they get in return..

I support no war...

But dont tell me Iran deserves to kill thousands of innocents cos of some sanction...

edit on 2/21/12 by EvolEric because: (no reason given)

I don't the masses on ATS love iran, but they are afraid, so they try to demonize America abd the West for
Sabre rattling that could i suppose lead to a global war.

A bit like the head in the sand scenario. Leave Iran alone and all will be well, no war in our time.

A lot of people are most likely just afraid.

Originally posted by EvolEric
This post isnt meant to offend...

Nor is it meant to please either...

Iran can suck it...

Why does the masses here at ATS love Iran?
Have conspiracies blinded us?
Cos all i hear 90% if the time is "poor poor iran"

Cos last time I checked Iran wasnt exactly the poster child for "peace and love"

Executing left and right over barbaric ideologies...

They are extreme fundsmentalists seeking nuclear weapons...

Their idea of sound foreign relations is pink drone toys...

If Iran strikes first they deserve what they get in return..

I support no war...

But dont tell me Iran deserves to kill thousands of innocents cos of some sanction...

edit on 2/21/12 by EvolEric because: (no reason given)

I don't think the "masses" love Iran. I think the rest of us have not swallowed the MSM and US government propaganda as hard as others. If you can see it from both sides it becomes clearer.

The only way Iran can preempt anything is to talk Hezbollah into suicide and Syria will take the heat as well. Missile strikes by Iran would be suicidal for them. Iran is to chicken to take on Israel without a lot of help. I think Hezbollah will kick things off.

It's amazing seeing all the back and forth in here truly. It's also amazing to see just how blinded individuals are and eagerly willing to swallow any festering load of propaganda that is thrown at them. Iran's statement relates to resource denial and is at the same time throwing the empty sabre rattling coming from NATO which would better be known as the fourth Reich at this point and Israel, a rogue terrorist nation back at them.

There is no proof whatsoever of enrichment beyond fuel and medical use, no intelligence agency can prove it, the nuclear watchdogs can't find it. Here is the true test of all this, does it even matter when most of " The silent majority " are too ignorant to form their own views, do their own research, or generally even have a conscience that operates outside of the premise that no matter what America or her allies do it's alright by them.

Just defending the fatherland, just following orders while your liberty and rights disintegrate under your feet and on your watch. If Iran were developing a weapon in secret guess what? It's their goddamned right as a SOVEREIGN nation to reach whatever technological and defensive level they deem appropriate. Anyone who thinks an Iranian nuke would mean terror is lucky their brain can so much as support breathing.

When your nation has endured over 50 years of political and economic subterfuge, assassination and murder, repeated attempts by the oil interest to extend their reach of empire into your home and now surround you nearly on all sides while fanatically trying to find any reason to destroy your home and install yet another dysfunctional government you would want a nuke to defend yourself too.

No society is perfect and you will find tragedies and glaring examples of inhumanity in any society. Who is anyone to declare that Iran is a theologically controlled hostile society when that is EXACTLY what you have with America and Israel and they are already armed to the teeth with nukes and threaten the very worlds stability with reckless abandon while it's leaders seek to bring fulfillment of a prophecy dreamed up by John of Patmos while he was high on mushrooms!. Both societies are rotten to the core with corruption, both societies justice systems are so laughable that they are nothing but the brunt of bad jokes, the proverbial epigram on the death of a feeling. Both societies are guilty of murder without merit and exploitation and subjugation of peoples across this world. When is someone going to levy a resolution against the true terrorist powers of our modern world?

It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society, it is the spirit and craving for domination of others which corrupts men and the weak minded that we see in these machinations of war coming to a forefront. God help all you people that want this war because it is this blind, sick, perverted willingness to destroy for any reason even if it is obviously and patently false that will ensure not only the death of others but will ensure the death of your progeny.

This is the world you want, a world of dead ash and winter just so you could feel superior for a moment. At least the Russians might survive it since they actually care about their populous. As for the rest of this sick circus, if it comes as it appears to be; good riddance.

Originally posted by rigel4

Originally posted by EvolEric
This post isnt meant to offend...

Nor is it meant to please either...

Iran can suck it...

Why does the masses here at ATS love Iran?
Have conspiracies blinded us?
Cos all i hear 90% if the time is "poor poor iran"

Cos last time I checked Iran wasnt exactly the poster child for "peace and love"

Executing left and right over barbaric ideologies...

They are extreme fundsmentalists seeking nuclear weapons...

Their idea of sound foreign relations is pink drone toys...

If Iran strikes first they deserve what they get in return..

I support no war...

But dont tell me Iran deserves to kill thousands of innocents cos of some sanction...

edit on 2/21/12 by EvolEric because: (no reason given)

I don't the masses on ATS love iran, but they are afraid, so they try to demonize America abd the West for
Sabre rattling that could i suppose lead to a global war.

A bit like the head in the sand scenario. Leave Iran alone and all will be well, no war in our time.

A lot of people are most likely just afraid.

edit on 21-2-2012 by rigel4 because: (no reason given)

There are many here who probably just don't bother responding to the Love Iran people. I know when you do, they say things like "the Iranian president never threatened Israel". Then you have to remind them of his speeches that they all seem to forget. I don't want to see a war, but if that is what it takes for the Iranian people to stand up for themselves and take their country back from the hateful ruling party then I'm all for it. I'm tired of hearing their threats and as an ex Nuclear,Chemical and Biological Operation Specialist with the Army Chemical Corp, I can assure you that no nation on earth could stand up against the U.S. People don't have a clue what we are really capable of.

reply to post by TheGreatest



Soooooooooo

We have a nation with nukes . . .

led by Mullahs and a President

who all believe

that

in order to call forth their Islam Mahdi/ Messiah figure from his umpteen hundred years hiding in a cave . . .

the world MUST BE thrown into violent genocidal chaos . . .

now threatening to take PRE-EMPTIVE action???

Is everyone awake yet?

What Iran develops is their own business. If they use it on others then they will pay the price.

Is the west after Iranian oil? Iran has unextracted reserves of $4T easy. However in last few years, some $200T yes $200T worth of oil has been found in US alone. These are in the form of oil shales so extracting it when oil prices are $70/Barrel is no profit scenario given the high cost of labor in the US. If they extract it now, then they make $30/Barrel profit. Last year US was a net exporter of the oil. This means oil find has alone given US economy a stimulus of $700B a year.

So if US is not after Iranian oil totally then is it after the regime change? But what is so big about the Iran's Mullah regime that US is willing to go to war for?

The real reason is to face off Russia and China in the coming decades or rather years. Russia by military encirclement and waging a war down the road hoping to break it into pieces like the USSR and China by cutting off its energy resources and thus demanding terms at own advantage on this and that issue.

Since 1991, all efforts are towards taking away Russia friendly governments in various countries even by attacking them under various R2P type reasons, encroaching NATO upto Russia's borders and creating internal disturbances like NGO efforts to create color revolutions.

However, now it seems both Russia and China have become alert to what geopolitical games are carried out anywhere in the world and how they would influence their best interests. US-West will NOT get any approval from UN Security Council to wage war against any country under this reason or that. Waging senseless wars might put the whole world peace at peril and unleash forces of darkness to linger on well into the near future decades.

what they believe or what you think they believe is totally different world. do not put words into the other party's mouth and then on reverse judge that they will act that. mind your own f*&&%%%^ing business!

Originally posted by bknapple32
Honestly, the answer is simple here. Total worldwide nuclear disarmament.

There is only one way that would ever, ever happen.
Aliens show up and after a little 'round the world "shock and awe" and demand all nukes to be handed over.
This could also be pulled off by us using hologram technology.
Once the nukes are off the table, then the rest of the weapons are turned in.
Once we all look like England, then the bankers should have no problem sealing the deal. Any country that doesn't want to "buy into it" can be eliminated by the aliens for hording weapons.