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Originally posted by cassandranova
Without sounding callous, I'd have to say the argument that Britain abandoned Australia in WWII because they weren't able to provide equal support to the 60,000 Australians who you say fought for the UK in WWI is very unfair.
WWI was fought in France, but at no point was England seriously imperiled. Moreover, Australia was not threatened in any meaningful way in WWI. In WWII, England was struggling for its very life, and the possibility of German invasion of their homeland was much greater than the possibility of Japanese invasion of Australia, especially in 1941.
To be a fair comparison, you would have needed a scenario where England wasn't at war in the west, and to see if British forces from Europe would have been employed in numbers against the Japanese. Given how vigorously Churchill wanted to keep the Empire, I'm fairly certain he would have done so, absent the existential threat of the Nazis.
I'm sure that many of the members of the Commonwealth in the East felt as Australians did, but if anything, I think WWII showed the inability of Britain to defend her own Empire. Not being there is substantively different from abandoning you.
Originally posted by repulsive1
reply to post by Jace26
Jace, be quiet please, how could you continuously insult New Zealand when we are the "New Zealand" to the United States in comparison of military capabilities. Everyone would be laughing at you, secondly I would give my life to defend the beautiful, honest and LOYAL country of New Zealand.
To the threads point, there's a fine line between patriotic statements and down right facts. There is no way in hell we would be able to fend off a Chinese invasion, it would be end game and if anything we would be annexed.
Unless the US send several fleets and a few hundred thousand troops ASAP and we managed to somehow receive or manufacture another 20 million guns and 2 billion rounds of ammunition. Then magically increase our naval fleet significantly in the few months we would have plus air force and train 5 million young men and woman and have the armed vehicles of all sorts to support them.
Don't get me wrong, I am a patriotic Australian also and would be the first to volunteer to defend. But it's almost a lost cause unless we were magic and truly important to our "allies".
Originally posted by Jace26
Originally posted by repulsive1
reply to post by Jace26
Jace, be quiet please, how could you continuously insult New Zealand when we are the "New Zealand" to the United States in comparison of military capabilities. Everyone would be laughing at you, secondly I would give my life to defend the beautiful, honest and LOYAL country of New Zealand.
To the threads point, there's a fine line between patriotic statements and down right facts. There is no way in hell we would be able to fend off a Chinese invasion, it would be end game and if anything we would be annexed.
Unless the US send several fleets and a few hundred thousand troops ASAP and we managed to somehow receive or manufacture another 20 million guns and 2 billion rounds of ammunition. Then magically increase our naval fleet significantly in the few months we would have plus air force and train 5 million young men and woman and have the armed vehicles of all sorts to support them.
Don't get me wrong, I am a patriotic Australian also and would be the first to volunteer to defend. But it's almost a lost cause unless we were magic and truly important to our "allies".
Please show me where I insulted New Zealand as I am not aware of what you are referring to?
However, I agree with your statement on a Chinese invasion which is the very reason I created this thread, if you are interested I have also created the thread "Battle For Australia". Please go there and tell me what you think.
Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by repulsive1
Oh, that. Yes another member said that to which I stated, "no offence but NZ's military is virtually non-existant".
That is not an insult, even the guy agreed with me so I don't see what the problem is?
Originally posted by repulsive1
Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by repulsive1
Oh, that. Yes another member said that to which I stated, "no offence but NZ's military is virtually non-existant".
That is not an insult, even the guy agreed with me so I don't see what the problem is?
I don't know about you, but when foreign people say to me that "Australia's military is non existent radda radda radda" I get offended, I agree with it, but it does offend me. No idea why. Never mind, I don't want to argue. I'm going to go watch some of the videos posted on your other thread.