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A key part of WW3 missing - Australia

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:07 AM
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I am an Australian living in Indonesia right now for the last 4 years.


I can honestly say that Indonesia will not invade Australia ever.


Indonesians are incredibly lazy - they would not attack unless it was absolutely necessary.
While army sizes are quite different, you gotta remember that Australia is mostly desert, Indonesians would hate to have to put up with this type of terrain.

Also - and a more realistic point - The type of Muslims in Indonesia are very different to those in the Middle East. Even Indonesians have trouble understanding the practices of those in the Middle East.

Comparing the two is like comparing a Catholic and a Christian


While Australia may be a strong point in RISK - it is hardly any significance in any type of World War




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:24 AM
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Australia IS significant in a world war 3 scenario. If China and Russia are going to war with US/NATO then what is the safest allied country close enough to China and Russia?
Its Australia, so similiar to WW2 we would be used as a staging ground, and most likely war too.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:31 AM
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reply to post by Jace26
 


yes you do, all 81,000 proud as hell troops
Australian Defense Force
edit on 21-2-2012 by rebellender because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:47 AM
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A few things.......

1st of all yes Britain did pretty much leave us to our fate, whether it was justified in terms of the bigger picture Im not sure but there was an actual conspiracy to keep the fact that the Japanese were bombing Darwin hidden from Aussies. At the time most didnt even know.

2nd the way we treated Aboriginals when we landed was better than the way Americans treated their natives but not by much. Sure we didnt give them blankets with small pox but we did have a shoot on site policy for much of our early history.
In fact an ancestor of mine was one of the first White men to cross the Murray into what is now Victoria, his job was to hunt Aboriginals for which after 3 years of shooting every Aboriginal he saw he was given land to farm.
We pretty much hunted them to extinction in Vic and Tas.

Im not sure where you got your figures from but Im pretty sure we massacred a few more than 50,000.

Prior to colonization Aboriginals had more varieties of language and culture than existed in Europe.
We pretty much committed genocide and it was planned and systematic!!!!!

No one should be proud of it but neither should we deny it



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by aorAki
 


You do realise New Zealands military is virtually non-existant right?
Note: What "underarm incident?"
edit on 20-2-2012 by Jace26 because: (no reason given)


What are you serious, you don't know what "The underarm incident" was??

Are you really Australian?



The underarm bowling incident of 1981 took place on 1 February 1981, when Australia was playing New Zealand in a One Day International cricket match, the third of five such matches in the final of the Benson & Hedges World Series Cup, at the Melbourne Cricket Ground.[1] In order to prevent New Zealand from scoring the six they needed to tie, the Australian captain, Greg Chappell instructed his bowler (and his younger brother), Trevor Chappell to deliver the last ball underarm, along the ground. This action was technically legal, but seen as being against the spirit of cricketing fair play.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by Sounds_of_Silence
Nukes would have been used on other country's before ours my only fear is the attack on pine gap as that is our. Biggest military drawcard in the country. America had sent a warship down into waters just off Indonesia a few years ago when they were thinking of expanding their territories into ours. We could already have facilities here that house nukes and wouldn't be surprised if pine gap has a nuclear reactor as well as a huge underground bunker with a lot of tunnels. Most of this would have been conducted after the 1st and 2nd world wars.


Pine Gap goes way way underground. They have hundreds of workers there who are flown in and out of America. They even bring their own food from the USA. Aside from using local water the place is self sufficient so to speak. They have lots of good stuff there. It is the most important base outside of the USA. Some even say the remains of the "Area 51" incident were moved there. If you believe that whole UFO crash stuff.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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Yes we would expect the kiwis to turn out for such an event, I guess we would be shouting the beer. Australia and WW3, this could go a few ways, most of the real Aussies still know how to shoot and can shoot fairly straight, Kiwis like the Aussies have a unique ability to adapt very quickly when the dodo hits the fan.

Since we are a multinational country, it would be hard these days to know who the enemy was, would we have to resort to intern camps like in WW2 which we used for the Japanese. We could be lucky and end up being the Switzerland of resources, since Aussie is mostly owned by someone else and not the average Aussie anymore.

Perhaps it is time, that we move away from selling educational certificates and turning us all into one big hoop jumping service industry, fixing some other countries, poor quality rubbish. To return to, Aussie made and while we are at it, lets turn willing Australians into professional soldiers to bolster the numbers and we could even add a few tradesmen/woman, bring the jobs back home and really skill Australians. Also re arm the public. Its hard to fight with sticks and stones when they have the BFG.

By the end of the day if the clowns with the Nukes, set them off we are all RIP.
edit on 21-2-2012 by marsend because: typo



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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We have to remember.. Communist armies (Let's say if China invaded Australia) do not care about their men, all they care about is the objective. They would possibly send waves after waves of troops to Darwin, but they'll be destroyed.

We also have to remember.. Small armies can easily defeat large armies, small armies are easier to control.. Large armies, well.. You just send a thousand soldiers to an objective, and they get slaughtered by the enemies defence.. And war isn't about who has the prettiest looking weapons/tanks, or the most men. If you want to win a war.. It's all about intelligence and game planning.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 06:29 AM
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So if Israel and Iran start it up and draw in US v Russia / China the world is stuffed as it goes MAD. With nuclear weapons known for their chain reaction, once one goes off it will become increasingly difficult to stop the rest going up. The global arsenal is quite large with those that survive the initial blasts are expected to have a very difficult time as a nuclear winter sets in.

But lets say the main powers decide to keep nuclear weapons out, but still fight it out. Australia might send out a couple of thousand troops and support services to the region. Here at home with our Multicultural mix things will become very tense. I would expect a massive riot if Israel and Iran did have a football match. There would also be a lot more motivation for home grown terrorism due to our support and alliances for war. It will not take a lot to bring the cities to a halt with a few small strategic strikes. Once the trucks stop moving, food stops flowing as many sensitive supply chains are disrupted, martial law is the next step. As for the bikies, the only thing you can count on that they will watch their own back.

With Australia now a mess and a basket case, the invasion will come through a dictatorship.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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i just want it to happen already, sick of waiting.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by Jace26

Originally posted by AllUrChips
Um, the US announced it militarzation of Australia last summer.


*sigh*
Another ignorant American, Australia was already militirized before last summer. We have our own army, navy, and air force. This thread is for Americans (like you) to realise that any attack on Iran could well lead to the annihalation of Australia.


I'm quite certain Americans already know the dangers Australia faces in their relationship with America.

If you want to educate people on the cons of this relationship why don't you go tell your neighbours? From all my experiences Australians haven't got any idea, and they're happy to suck up to America.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:23 AM
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Defence analyst Desmond Ball states that the fundamental basis of the US-Australian alliance, which officially began in 1941 is not the ANZUS Treaty or the many dozen other defense cooperation agreements between Australia and the United States, but the UKUSA Agreement of 1947-48 concerning SIGINT cooperation and exchange, and the maintenance of the 'joint facilities' in Australia. It is this agreement he argues which comprise the ties that bind, and that in other words, the US relationship was now, somewhat ironically, indispensable to Australia's self-reliance. He argues that Australia’s relatively small population, a land mass of some 7.7 million square kilometres (and a 200-mile Exclusive Economic Zone of about the same area), and a coastline of some 12,000 kilometres, the defence of Australia requires high-technology long-range command and control, surveillance and intelligence, and weapons systems -- all of which the US provide.

So, Australia is interdependent on the US, in terms of National Security. With the ficus shifting once again to the Asia-Pacific region, Australians need to re-define their relationship with the US. Gillard's Labor have established that this status quo will remain while she is Prime Minister.

It is my opinion that the current government must seek answers from the US, regarding their expectations in future conflicts. Australia urgently needs to formulate policy on rules of engagement. If Australia is truly a democracy, then these issues need to be publicly debated.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by aorAki
 


You do realise New Zealands military is virtually non-existant right?
Note: What "underarm incident?"
edit on 20-2-2012 by Jace26 because: (no reason given)



It was a gentle jibe that Aussies and Kiwis often engage in, due to the fact that we're only separated by a ditch. Maybe, even, I was extracting the urine:?
Our military may be nearly non-existent, but we have the best SAS in the world.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by skonaz
 


Haha, that one made me laugh.
But yes its true, the Australian military is basically having to defend New Zealand as they have almost no military whatsoever. So for the comment made saying the "kiwis" have our back, no offense, but the "kiwis" wouldn't even be able to take Narau without foreign aid.


I guess that's because we're enlightened and realise that the military is of the old school and the new way is to send out our Politicians who will bore everyone to death after telling them sweet lies.

You seem like a young fella who can't tell when someone is taking the piss ( and backed up by not knowing about the underarm incident). Why so serious?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:48 PM
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austrailia has an army? of what? kangaroos?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Nah mate, the cool soldiers use emus these days....

Get with the times man....



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by LonelyGuy
austrailia has an army? of what? kangaroos?


They have the second best SAS soldiers....to the Kiwis.



Interesting post earlier about the UKUSA alliance being the tie that binds rather than ANZUS. New Zealand is a signatory too, and we have ECHELON facilities at Waihopai and Tangimoana, to name but two.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Firstly, Australians more or less train their kiwi counterparts, so how could our sas be second best, I don't know?
Secondly, NZ is definately NOT with the times. The Asia/Pacific is growing and as a result Asian countries are becoming much more powerful in war. Maybe NZ needs to realise that?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Any interested Aussies should take the time to read the following document -

Fortress Australia

Its a facinating read.......

Also, lets not forget....should a Northern hemisphere WW3 nuclear exchange ever take place, due to the air currents the majority of the fallour with stay in the northern hemisphere and circulate around the planet in the northern hemisphere.

Now....who is left of any decent strength in the southern hemisphere?

South Africa......Australia.......South America......

We are so far apart and we are not as war hungry as the others.

Indonesia has too much of its own internals differences to ever joint together amongst themselves to pose a threat, plus a couple nukes into Indonesia/Malaysia would make any advance south by Chinese forces so much more difficult....

Yes, its a moral dilema....sacrifice the archapelaego of Indonesia/Malaysia/Papua New Gunea as a buffer/wall against any foreign Northern Force.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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Originally posted by Jace26
reply to post by aorAki
 


Firstly, Australians more or less train their kiwi counterparts, so how could our sas be second best, I don't know?
Secondly, NZ is definately NOT with the times. The Asia/Pacific is growing and as a result Asian countries are becoming much more powerful in war. Maybe NZ needs to realise that?


Whoosh!

My posts seem to go straight over your head.
War is so last century.
It's them there (and youse there) that are behind the times.
Go on, get the wrong end of the stick again, cobber.







 
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