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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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ustream, live stream is a new feature of the net that is being adopted by many web sights as an instant user generated news or social interest format.
it is fast and live,

when i have to go to other sights to watch ustream it makes me ask why are we not able to have a pop out window on ATS for live events.

will we be left behind.
please note i have posted previously and this post is because i had no formal responce by staff.

live stream could be an asset for ats
please consider allowing my humble request as more and more sights have it and i want it here for OUR membership.

after all this sight is a user generated paridse, live streaming would fit with this in mind
please can i talk with a mod,

i have messaged SO with no responce and now would just like to ask for mod imput

thanks in advance
humbly
xploder




posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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OK pitch it to me..... What is the point of it? What use would it be... what are its applications?


Why should ATS have it and what does it do?


Cheers



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
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OK pitch it to me..... What is the point of it? What use would it be... what are its applications?


please follow link and watch for a minute,
example of live stream here
the second window

its a live event in america from a march of the military.
it allows for instant breaking news and footage to be displayed on mass to the membership as it happens.




Why should ATS have it and what does it do?

it would allow people to stream directly from their phone or camera "directly" to a pop up window on ats.
if members saw a strange light and had instant broudcast to members it would be able to be discussed "as it happens".

if a news event was happining a "local" members could simply film it for the members.

in a news environment having the fastest form of news presentation would ensure ATS was the first place to bring news, and in this context live stream is about as fast as you can get it here.

if an app was made for phones member live videos can be produced by members.
i imagine a cool weather stream or strange lights stream ect.

the major benifit is we have members world wide, and someone is always close to the action some where.
our members can then "record" their own investigations live real time.

the app idea is seconary to being able to simply stream to ats for breaking news

xploder


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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Yeah Ustream is cool, but you can't control content that way.

IMO it doesn't benefit ATS because we are primarily a written format and although we do have some video/radio aspects, I see big problems with allowing any member to just start streaming things live.

Secondly, we are all conspiracy theorists and we do not like to be watched in the first place, not many members who want to expose themselves to that level.

Third, what do you do about those who use the service to stream T&C breaking content? Porn, or other kinds of graphic content?

It's a really difficult medium to implement and control.

That's just my 2 cents. By no means an official staff stance.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Yeah Ustream is cool, but you can't control content that way.

what about designating a request page for aceptence of live stream connection to be moderated prior to inception of strem.
a kinda pre screening audit for streams by mods.


IMO it doesn't benefit ATS because we are primarily a written format and although we do have some video/radio aspects,


we can upload videos to ats already



I see big problems with allowing any member to just start streaming things live.


same which is why i started the topic, could members who conform to the t&cs for a year be a distinction between who can and who cant stream.


Secondly, we are all conspiracy theorists and we do not like to be watched in the first place, not many members who want to expose themselves to that level.


but we still upload our vids of ufos ect and can upload "static" videos the only difference is WE are the camera men and women.
i think there are some that would love to have imput if their info was secure, me for one



Third, what do you do about those who use the service to stream T&C breaking content? Porn, or other kinds of graphic content?


the same problem is present with pics of porn and graphic utube videos, and the members dont post them here


It's a really difficult medium to implement and control.


so why not have an app and allow responcialbe members who have proven their adherence to t&cs to be news collectors via a phone app.




That's just my 2 cents. By no means an official staff stance.

thank you for your responce


~Tenth


xploder



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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I actually do know what it is..


I just wanted you to really pitch it and for others who didn't know... But yes, I do agree.
I think it would be good.

As TTTP points out though, not the safest or most easy tool to control.


ATS had some sort of news thing before... not sure it worked too well though? They were asking for "reporters" to help and send them stuff.

Same with ATS recap and the ATS media videos.... I'm not sure they're particularly successful or even what the majority of people want.

I like informative videos and I LOVE a good documentary.... but I don't sit watching the videos on ATS.... not really my cup of tea.


I remember when the Palestine Libya conflict was going on.... there were several of us on a thread listening to an audio feed on an area in Palestine... where you could here rockets, explosions... gunfire and a cockerel crowing... was an eerie and disturbing few hours.

I can see why this would be a good thing actually, but It would have to be filtered and restricted because ATS likes to be all family friendly and suitable for work etc... gotta keep the ad guys happy.

I agree that this kind of application is really where we're heading... especially when countries in the middle east and and Asia are restricting the internet and often the only way news gets out is via mobiles and people avoiding detection.


Just not sure that ATS is the place really... Who knows?


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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:58 PM
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what about designating a request page for aceptence of live stream connection to be moderated prior to inception of strem.

a kinda pre screening audit for streams by mods.


We have over 100 thousand members with under 100 moderators. Not all of us are active and there are only a dozen at a time. With the ammount of new posts that come through here a day, plus the ammount of new threads etc, having another thing to look after put on our plates would really just take away from our ability to mod the boards.

And sometimes there are no mods on, and a member may sit there for hours with their "live" stream before it gets approved. ATS is not an instant medium, we aren't twitter and honestly I don't think we are trying to be.


the same problem is present with pics of porn and graphic utube videos, and the members dont post them here


You think they don't. Mostly because we tend to catch them quite quick and remove them from the boards. It's certainly not an epidemic of a problem, but one that would be made worse in an "instant" kind of medium that requires constant 24/hr a day moderation.

~Tenth



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:05 PM
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Yes. I concur. Having the option to embed live stream or preferably ustream would be very helpful. One workaround is to mirror the stream on youtube then embed on ATS. I agree it is the future of breaking news. Thanks for the request xploder.

Aye.


ETA: CONTROL concerns....ppppffffttttt. Take it down if it breaks the t&c. Otherwise let it stream. It's all user generated content.


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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by blupblup
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I actually do know what it is..


lol sorry i was just trying to show an example


I just wanted you to really pitch it and for others who didn't know... But yes, I do agree.
I think it would be good.


cool at least 1 supporter



As TTTP points out though, not the safest or most easy tool to control.

makes it important to discuss controls ect





ATS had some sort of news thing before... not sure it worked too well though? They were asking for "reporters" to help and send them stuff.


this would facilitate members doing just that

and in a cool new format
xploder for ats news, ect




Same with ATS recap and the ATS media videos.... I'm not sure they're particularly successful or even what the majority of people want.


i see more and more sights with live stream embeded into their pages,
it would be good if we could figaur a way around the stated problems.

i think this could invigerate members to supply more user generated content.
IMKO



I like informative videos and I LOVE a good documentary.... but I don't sit watching the videos on ATS.... not really my cup of tea.


i used to watch alot of utube, now i find myself watching more streams, its kinda changing the way people watch videos. we could be left in the dust unless we figuar a way to incorperate this new tool into our sight (members)




I remember when the Palestine Libya conflict was going on.... there were several of us on a thread listening to an audio feed on an area in Palestine... where you could here rockets, explosions... gunfire and a cockerel crowing... was an eerie and disturbing few hours.


imagine the same thing with video, very compeling viewing


I can see why this would be a good thing actually, but It would have to be filtered and restricted because ATS likes to be all family friendly and suitable for work etc... gotta keep the ad guys happy.


so post the streams on really above top seceret, and or an age limit.


I agree that this kind of application is really where we're heading... especially when countries in the middle east and and Asia are restricting the internet and often the only way news gets out is via mobiles and people avoiding detection.


people love streaming, the few i have read about say it is natural to want to film their environment and share with others, i have read that it is addictive to stream,
it is empowering to stream.
it is fun to stream.

if some safe way to stream could be found it could reinvigerate the membership and empower them to be contributers.




Just not sure that ATS is the place really... Who knows?


alot of people comment that they come to ats for news first,
this would be a logical step to ensure news was on ats first,
even if it was "delayed" by mod auditing requirements for t&c and family viewing.

there must be a way for member generated content to be streamed for a wider audience.

is streaming the format of the future?
i cant say for sure, but its fast easy and more and more people and sights are using it.

i just dont want ats to be left behind.

xploder



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
so post the streams on really above top seceret, and or an age limit.



We've raised this issue several times over the years... but ATS doesn't want any adult content or any kind of profanity or anything like that.

I would LOVE an over 18s section or a no-holds-barred fight club type room.... would be awesome.

But ATS is not the place for it.




people love streaming, the few i have read about say it is natural to want to film their environment and share with others, i have read that it is addictive to stream,
it is empowering to stream.
it is fun to stream.




Couldn't they do all that just by recording it?

Why must we be there while they do it?


I agree if it's some sort of news report from a warzone or whatever...or greek riots or whatever.





alot of people comment that they come to ats for news first,
this would be a logical step to ensure news was on ats first,




That's a fallacy.
ATS just posts news articles from MSM sources and local media sites and discusses them.

News is not broken first here.... look through all the threads and there is always a news link or a link to an article on another site... there is very little original news content on this site, if any.

We just like to think there is.





is streaming the format of the future?



Possibly...as far as news goes.... but when it's on TV it's just called live news.
I think people sharing their own feeds is an excellent concept because it doesn't have a corporate spin on it or ad men dictating what can and cannot be on it.

Unfortunately ATS is not free from those constraints.. we have the same issues as any MSM channel and actually stricter and more controlled rules here.[
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 03:37 PM
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In the past and recently i have set up several media accounts revolving around live feeds and some have been used for streaming current events within greece. So the next obvious thing to do was to set up accounts along with cell contact numbers based on three working 8hr #s. So if someone needed an asap link to be streamed via a t.v. station or within a website they would sms a particular number based on the time zone and that person receiving the sms would be required and authorized to allow the live feed through the website/s. That's how one filers out unwanted stream but allows the viewers to partake in streaming and providing content for viewers. The delay time can always be adjusted so as no undue stream goes through. This usually is about 8 or 10 secs. That is how easy the process is. The difficult side is that you now need people who would be on a ready set go to to punch in live feeds and to close them if needed or if and when they end. That's an example on how to implement live feeds into an existing an community, it really isn't rocket science but you need dedicated people.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 05:51 PM
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We've raised this issue several times over the years... but ATS doesn't want any adult content or any kind of profanity or anything like that.

I would LOVE an over 18s section or a no-holds-barred fight club type room.... would be awesome.

But ATS is not the place for it.

ok so live protest is out as is violence and or nakedness ect.
that leaves room for UFOs and stuff lights ect.
add a no face shot rule where you can only film others.




people love streaming, the few i have read about say it is natural to want to film their environment and share with others, i have read that it is addictive to stream,
it is empowering to stream.
it is fun to stream.





Couldn't they do all that just by recording it?

Why must we be there while they do it?


an example would be, a fast moving light moving erractically,
real time = excitment and imput.

another would be a very cool cloud formation, and people could ask for different angles or give suggestions to the member filming.
"hey whats that to your right



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
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Yes. I concur. Having the option to embed live stream or preferably ustream would be very helpful. One workaround is to mirror the stream on youtube then embed on ATS. I agree it is the future of breaking news. Thanks for the request xploder.




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i would like a coment from a mod about weather or not this breaches T&Cs before attempting to embed a youtube mirror stream.

anyone know what the mods think, i dont want to do anything untill i have conformation that it is allowed and within T&Cs.


xploder



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by cerebralassassins

In the past and recently i have set up several media accounts revolving around live feeds and some have been used for streaming current events within greece. So the next obvious thing to do was to set up accounts along with cell contact numbers based on three working 8hr #s.


cool orginisation, i like it.


So if someone needed an asap link to be streamed via a t.v. station or within a website they would sms a particular number based on the time zone and that person receiving the sms would be required and authorized to allow the live feed through the website/s. That's how one filers out unwanted stream but allows the viewers to partake in streaming and providing content for viewers.


so this would be an efective control to prevent unwanted content?


The delay time can always be adjusted so as no undue stream goes through. This usually is about 8 or 10 secs. That is how easy the process is. The difficult side is that you now need people who would be on a ready set go to to punch in live feeds and to close them if needed or if and when they end. That's an example on how to implement live feeds into an existing an community,


so the sofware and control of stream software is already available?
and it takes a "director" to direct the streams ect?
a single person able to direct which strems are acceptable?
and with a delay so you could "cut" before transmittion?


it really isn't rocket science but you need dedicated people.


i wounder how many members it would take to make it happen?
and how much dedication would be required,

xploder



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Thanks Blup ! You went exactly where OP should have gone in the first place. Imagine the opener with the right amount of text persuent to ATS guidelines. Understanding OP was only concerned with posing the question.
No biggy.

OP

There is most likely a plethora of legalities involved. Too risky.
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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Ustream asks if you want to link to a youtube account for your stream when you set up a channel. During Occupy protests, youtube broadcasting from a live streaming feed has been frequently posted on ATS.

I-report and such are utilized by many news organizations with vetting of key reports then done to verify trending news.

My concern is to be able to share live feed news as it's breaking shared by whomever happens to be on the scene. Cell phones and upstream turn anyone who happens to be in the right place (or wrong place) at the right time into an on the scene reporter. It is every bit as valid as twitter reports that are becoming all the rage. I find many ustreams are automatically linked to a youtube already which is a very sharable format here. It's not really smoke and mirrors...just using all information available in a fast and fluid news situation to form our own editorial assumptions.

I hope no more layers of control are necessary. The t & c works because members report problems which are then reviewed and quickly dealt with. Why would upstream from youtube be any different than any other video shared here?

Glad we are all thinking about how we share...the future though. Let's just keep it simple as they say.

Thanks again

Peace



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:41 PM
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ofc ats should have live streams. it is a media outlet and streams are a form of media. I saw a thread on this afew weeks ago and no mods seemed to answer. Idk if it negates terms and conditions..



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by cerebralassassins

In the past and recently i have set up several media accounts revolving around live feeds and some have been used for streaming current events within greece. So the next obvious thing to do was to set up accounts along with cell contact numbers based on three working 8hr #s.


cool orginisation, i like it.


Thanks, although its taken forever to introduce and implement ideas like the one i mentioned into existing sites.




So if someone needed an asap link to be streamed via a t.v. station or within a website they would sms a particular number based on the time zone and that person receiving the sms would be required and authorized to allow the live feed through the website/s. That's how one filers out unwanted stream but allows the viewers to partake in streaming and providing content for viewers.



so this would be an efective control to prevent unwanted content?


Yes that is correct, unwanted streams that perhaps someone on purposely feeds or unknowingly feeds via the sites.





The delay time can always be adjusted so as no undue stream goes through. This usually is about 8 or 10 secs. That is how easy the process is. The difficult side is that you now need people who would be on a ready set go to to punch in live feeds and to close them if needed or if and when they end. That's an example on how to implement live feeds into an existing an community,



so the sofware and control of stream software is already available?
and it takes a "director" to direct the streams ect?
a single person able to direct which strems are acceptable?
and with a delay so you could "cut" before transmittion?


I am not aware of if and any software that is avaialbe that can do what i describe. So far i do this on a manual principal therefore he human factor is always on hand. Parts of the site are allowed to be accessed by (i.e. media admins, they are given authorization to access and edit only that part of the site)

The streams can be edited if one is capable of doing so but that would require skill and a longer time delay as it would create cut and paste of feeds in real time and then re-feed the stream. I have done it once but it was a real load of work but satisfying.

Yes, a single person can direct all incoming streams to feed various sites or stations. You are simply the traffic policeman who allows what flow to what site. When i have time, i normally do this from the comfort of my home with multiple monitors so as to keep tabs on what goes on during feeds. Before you begin a feed you create a key point and at any time close the key point to create a loop thus if the need arises for you to cut the feed due to bad quality or images are to violent or x-rated then you simply loop the feed and move onto to deal with what ever of the fore mentioned problems that need to be take care of.




it really isn't rocket science but you need dedicated people.



i wounder how many members it would take to make it happen?
and how much dedication would be required,


As i mentioned, the ones i have set up for a large site has 3 ppl on 8hr shifts and 4th as a stand by in the event that one isn't available. But since you have three members, there is always one member available to commence streaming until the proper person who was allocated the stream shift to be at his post.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Their are other reasons, ATS, is caught up in a Quagmire, I would not say they are left behind, just stuck, in a place, you get, when you have a bunch of apes and monkey's not concentrating on the message, or higher ideals of knowledge, a few examples may be as simple or complex as the bible, or Koran, or other books of knowledge or wisdom..
ATS is also caught in this paradox, or failure of man...

It has illustrated itself thru the years sadly..

Yet Their is a minority on ats, who are not being left behind...



You see....

And that is why ATS is here....

We are not being left behind op...

The ignorant are here to mask the truth...



I have watched the Homosapien's ego prevent knowledge on ats, time, and time, and time again...


When a homosapien find's its more important to be individually right...

You are witnessing ignorance...

anyhow...

I am done wasting my time...

I just had to interject.. Ats is not purposely being left behind...

Its just the limitation of human nature...

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:23 PM
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Just my personal opinion but live streaming would be a perfect way to add more credibility to ongoing events.

Example:

ATS member makes a post: Hey guys, I got some really weird stuff happening in the sky right now.. Hold on while I grab the camera. I'm going to stream this live in 2 minutes.

Said member then streams realtime footage of an occurrence for interested parties to view.

Surely it's an invaluable additional tool for the vast majority of members to utilise for whatever purpose (within reason of course)

Also




We have over 100 thousand members with under 100 moderators. Not all of us are active and there are only a dozen at a time. With the ammount of new posts that come through here a day, plus the ammount of new threads etc, having another thing to look after put on our plates would really just take away from our ability to mod the boards.



The simple solution to this problem is to utilise more moderators who are specifically tasked with vetting and authorising the live streams.

I would be more than happy to volunteer to do this, as I'm sure many other members would be also.

I mean what harm could be done? and it's not like you'll be giving us access to rampage the forums with moderators rights if you limit our moderator abilities (I'm sure the majority of members on here are mature enough not to try this, so please don't assume I'm inferring that the general member base 'would' do this)

Anyhow, just my 2 penneth




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