Originally posted by defcon5
Ribera may have defined a specific form of Futurism, but he was hardly the first person to attempt calculations of the end-times. There was Joachim of
Fiore, for example, who worked out that things were going to start happening in A.D. 1260. All through mediaeval times there were popular millenarian
movements, and a detailed image of the Antichrist figure was being built up. So it seems to me that "futurism" in a more general sense well predates
For that matter, I think of my own approach in these threads as "futurist", even though I resolutely refuse to make calculations, because it certainly
isn't preterite or historicist. I see Revelation as a description of future events, where the labels describing the time-periods are not meant for
In reality, I believe that the prophecy of Daniel, which futurists point to as being the peace treaty, is an intentional misinterpretation by
I agree with you that the "peace treaty" is a fantasy, but I've got a completely different reason.
That theory builds on a verse where the king "makes covenant with many".
But a covenant, whether it be between humans or between God and the corporate Israel, is normally between two parties.
So I think that "makes covenant with many" is not talking about a single multiple-party agreement, such as a "peace treaty" would have to be, but
about a whole series of one-to-one agreements.
Then I compare that verse with Revelation ch17 v13, where the ten kings "give over their authority to the Beast", and I think those two verses are
talking about the same thing.
They are both describing how that ruler is building up a network of subordinate allies, as he covenants with each one of them (Daniel) and they give
him their allegiance (Revelation).
On AD 70 as begiining the Tribulation; I have problems, which I will expound better in an eventual thread, with identifying A.D.70 with Mattthew ch24
v15, if that's what you've got in mind, either as prophecy or as "prophecy after the event".
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