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Light creates gravity. Here's how.

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:35 PM
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Well then wouldn't gravity (light) act more on larger bodies (such as the earth) than on smaller bodies (such as people)?

If that was the case, then the gravitational force (light) would push the earth more than it would push people and we would fall off!

Nothing can be explained using your theory because you don't have a mathematical model.

Lets just say that you are right and we should all stop using the current gravity model. What next? How do we now calculate gravity? Do we just pretend that it is unable to be calculated because someone wanted to change the model for no particular reason?


OP I don't believe science knows everything, and I think it has it's own shortcomings, but our current model is usable and yours is not so I will stick to our current model, thanks.
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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Is it possible that light creates gravity?

If that were true, then the amount of gravity something pulls with (measured in "g"s) would be greater the more photons striking it. Gravity is entirely dependent upon mass, not photons. According to your hypothesis little Mercury would have more gravity than Jupiter say, because Jupiter is further out than Mercury and less photons hit it. Woops. Sorry if someone already said this.

Edit: I think someone needs to go to the fair and ride a tilt a whirl.


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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater

Originally posted by smithjustinb
....perhaps the feeling you are feeling is actually the harmonious resonance between the electrons in your body and electrons surrounding your body so that your body becomes free of gravity's hold on you.
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If that is the case then it will be measurable using scales.


Maybe it is. Or maybe it is just our electrons that aren't in opposition to our environment so it only feels like we are weightless. In that case, it wouldn't be measurable with a scale. There are unknown variables in the mechanics of that particular process, but my theory of gravity seems very clear to me.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb
Or maybe it is just our electrons that aren't in opposition to our environment so it only feels like we are weightless. In that case, it wouldn't be measurable with a scale. There are unknown variables in the mechanics of that particular process, but my theory of gravity seems very clear to me.


If the electrons are in opposition to your environment, and the scales can be considered your environment, then yes it will be measurable (or possibly it doesn't exist).



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by GobbledokTChipeater
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Well then wouldn't gravity (light) act more on larger bodies (such as the earth) than on smaller bodies (such as people)?


Gravity isn't light, it is the effect of light on electrons (according to my theory). The more electrons orbiting around atoms, the more the gravity. The more massive the atom, the more electrons. If I was in space, my personal gravitational field would be exponentially less than the earth's. But on the earth, my personal field adds to the Earth's.


If that was the case, then the gravitational force (light) would push the earth more than it would push people and we would fall off!


No. We are made of the same stuff the earth is.


Nothing can be explained using your theory because you don't have a mathematical model.


That's why I wrote my theory on here. I don't know how to create a mathematical model, but I was hoping there would be someone who did.


Lets just say that you are right and we should all stop using the current gravity model. What next? How do we now calculate gravity? Do we just pretend that it is unable to be calculated because someone wanted to change the model for no particular reason?


Like you said, nothing happens until there is some math.


OP I don't believe science knows everything, and I think it has it's own shortcomings, but our current model is usable and yours is not so I will stick to our current model, thanks.
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It is usable, but imperfect. Everyone knows it is imperfect. If my model is correct, it would be the next step closer to perfection, the next step closer to interstellar space travel, and many many other implications.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by smithjustinb
 


Is it possible that light creates gravity?

If that were true, then the amount of gravity something pulls with (measured in "g"s) would be greater the more photons striking it. Gravity is entirely dependent upon mass, not photons. According to your hypothesis little Mercury would have more gravity than Jupiter say, because Jupiter is further out than Mercury and less photons hit it. Woops. Sorry if someone already said this.


Yeah, but its not the effect of light as much as it is the effect of light on electrons. So mass is still directly related to gravity in my theory. A laser could have the same gravitational effect as a quasar.


Edit: I think someone needs to go to the fair and ride a tilt a whirl.


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Centrifugal force is not the same as gravity.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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photons have no charge. They carry the force though. That much I have not learned enough to speak on.


They are simply packets of energy. The sheer scale difference between an electron and a photon is otherworldly.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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I'm not sure if you are familiar with Alex Collier but he claims to be a contactee with Andromedan beings. In this early video he claims these aliens told him that gravity is caused by the sun. Check this link below and start at 7:50 mark.


www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:35 PM
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gravity is a result of attraction by means of atomic and subatomic particles the more there are the more gravity there is; and photons fall into that realm but is not the driving force of generating gravity can you apply the scientific method to your claims ? or even apply symbolic logic to your statement?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:39 PM
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if gravity is created solely by the sun then wouldnt for instance someone on the daylight side be lighter than say at nighttime ?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:56 PM
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Technically its 30000 km/s since its 3.0x10^8m/s and Km is 1000 meters to a Km.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:13 PM
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Originally posted by denynothing
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Technically its 30000 km/s since its 3.0x10^8m/s and Km is 1000 meters to a Km.


Technically light speed is 299,792,458 meters per second which amounts to 299,792.458 km/s.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by xalaran
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if gravity is created solely by the sun then wouldnt for instance someone on the daylight side be lighter than say at nighttime ?


That is the popular argument, one which has been covered several times on this thread. Please review the previous replies.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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OP, there is so much wrong with what your'e saying it made me cringe. This post will probably get buried but message me if you want. Consider picking up a book on electromagnetic radiation. It's fun to theorize new ideas but your'e wrong on this one.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:27 PM
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Errr. what?

Light is the cause for gravity? Did you even put 5 minutes of thought into this hypothesis? This makes about as much sense as the American people voting George Bush Jr in for a second term. You are aware that gravity is more or less the same at day as it it as night?? RIGHT?? lol looks like this thread has set sail for fail.




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by denynothing
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Technically its 30000 km/s since its 3.0x10^8m/s and Km is 1000 meters to a Km.


Technically light speed is 299,792,458 meters per second which amounts to 299,792.458 km/s.


Actually light speed varies going through different mediums, so you should really specify vacuum to be more accurate, and even then there is a % error.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by xalaran
reply to post by baboogdi
 


if gravity is created solely by the sun then wouldnt for instance someone on the daylight side be lighter than say at nighttime ?


That is the popular argument, one which has been covered several times on this thread. Please review the previous replies.


What controls the tides? The sun and the moon. How? Gravity
How do me measure the tidal times? Well it depends on the position of the sun and moon over the earth, and how their gravitational pull ultimately bulges the earths oceans.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Negative gravity creates light.

Heres how----->By magic.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:16 PM
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Thinking like that presented within the OP should be encouraged!

More importantly, a follow through to attempt deeper understanding should be where threads like this are guided. I fail to see what use ridicule has in this situation, other than being a massive waste of time.

smithjustin, I have a feeling you are more than capable of putting this into an equation. You can even use words, and the typical mathematical interactions between things (multiplication, division, addition, subtraction). Put in squares, and square roots, and you can really illustrate some amazing things (e=mc^2 as an example). An understanding of the underlying mechanics is helpful, to say the least.

Going in this direction with your hypotheses is important. As it stands, most will simply not take it seriously as science. Science is quantitative by nature, due to semi-consistant patterns repeating themselves in what we perceive as the "universe."

This is a great philosophical thread, but there are many of those. The important jump is made when one puts the effort into quantitatively demonstrating a replicable pattern. This rises beyond language, semantics, and subjective opinion and puts it into a form that others can actually "prove" accurate or not. Until then, as you see, no one can find "holes" in someone elses subjectivity. Best of luck in creating such a thing as the next step in your hypothesis. I look forward to seeing it



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Light is produced by gravity... lots of gravity. Not the other way round.
Tomorrow go outside and look up. See the sun?



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