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Why Lucifer/Satan? Musicians now openly performing to or about the Evil One!!

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:51 AM
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Your post is very occultic in and of itself. There are so many things wrong here historically etc etc I dont know where to begin. Basically the God of the Old Testament TO THE NATION OF ISRAEL was named Yahweh. Of this there is NO DOUBT historically. It was Yahweh also known as Adonia, Jehovah, who was worshipped in the tents of Moses David and the two temples that stood.

Jesus Himself came to worship in the temple Yahweh........these are the facts of history. The Jews did not accept the books you mentioned pertaining to apocrapha etc etc.

The completed canon of scripture that Christians hold to pertaining to the Old Testament is the same one the Jewish people today recognize as the Torah, prophets, and writings.

Christians and Jewish people today are in AGREEMENT on what consistutes the Jewish scriptures though they are not in agreement on whether Jesus or Yeshua is the Messiah......

In the book of Job Satan serves God. Christians agree with this because thats WHAT THE BOOK OF JOB SAYS........haha......wow heavy!! God places limits on what Satan can do to Job. Whatever....Satan in the book of Job is the same one who appeared to Jesus in the desert. Satan is the adversary which is what the name Ha Satan means or The Adversary. Adversary of who? God firstly........

Whatever......free country...anyone can write on religion and theology and say whatever they please whether its right or wrong. Great country but I advise being careful.




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Elsha

Whatever......free country...anyone can write on religion and theology and say whatever they please whether its right or wrong. Great country but I advise being careful.


How does the "country" determine right or wrong in religion?

The debate, over who is right or wrong, has been the cause of many wars and deaths.

This is where care is needed imho



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Lucifer and Satan are not the same....


Luicifer exists....Satan is a thoughtform...a mindset...w/e you want 'it' to be.

Lucifer gives us the option of negative polarity, yet is STO.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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I think I was shocked more by Nicki Minaj having a job in the music industry. How do musicians like her make it to the top when so many struggling artists who are much, much better never see fame's light of day? I mean, she is just horrible. I suspect a real demon could sing better.I hate this world so much because people that suck succeed in it and the hard working people with actual talent get suppressed for some reason.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:35 AM
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Well other than this being about as rediculous a thread as I have seen in a while you might want to listen to these rappers as that is about as close to satanic as your going to get..


Esham, Scatterman and Snug Brim, Brotha Lynch Hung, Natas, Flatlinaz, Half Pit, Machete,and there are others.Oh and how did I almost forget Three 6 Mafia.

And by the way none of these rappers are satanic or even worship or have anything to do with satanic worship as you or me,unless you actually worship Satan then in that case to each his own.

Now if you really want to discuss bands that are closer to satanic worship one needs to look up the history of Black Metal.

en.wikipedia.org...

Enjoy the education....



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:43 AM
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Wow, haven't you people ever heard of Norwegian Black Metal? Music that openly praises/worships Satan since the early nineties? Google the lyrics to "Arcane Lifeforce Mysteria" by Dimmu Borgir. The album came out in 1999 I believe.

"In burnt black dementia where insanity is my vanity, with honour I bear the mark of Satan..."

People have been worshipping Satan in music since the 1960's.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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I think I was shocked more by Nicki Minaj having a job in the music industry. How do musicians like her make it to the top when so many struggling artists who are much, much better never see fame's light of day?


That is the million dollar question that I don't think anyone can answer..


Actually look at who owns the label she is on...Young Money Entertainment. Or shall we say Lil' Wayne.


Young Money Entertainment is an American record label founded by rapper Lil Wayne. Young Money's president is Lil Wayne's lifelong friend Mack Maine. The label is an imprint of Cash Money Records and is distributed by Universal Republic Records. Current artists include Lil Wayne, Drake, T-Pain, Nicki Minaj, Tyga, Mack Maine, Jae Millz, Cory Gunz, Lil Twist, Gudda Gudda, Lil Chuckee, Short Dawg, T-Streets, and Shanell aka SnL. The label has released six #1 albums: Tha Carter III, Tha Carter IV, and I Am Not a Human Being by Lil Wayne, Thank Me Later and Take Care by Drake, and Pink Friday by Nicki Minaj.


en.wikipedia.org...

Now don't get me wrong Lil' Wayne is a money maker and great artist, but some of his decisions are not the best at least IMO.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 10:59 AM
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The late great Bill Cooper once exposed the Free Masons to be an extremely racist organization. Black Free Masons (Prince Hall Masons) and lower level blue lodge members have little to know inkling as to who they are really worshipping.

The upper echelons of free masons are worshipping Satan in order to get all that the prince of this world has to offer ie: money , power , and respect.

Thus, a lower level convicted felon/rapper would NOT typically be a tool of the Masons , until Hip Hop and Black Culture became too big and too internationally influential to not taint and use as a means of manipulation. Also , not to many convicted felons/rappers are multi millionairs and extremely successful moguls. (so , one must wonder how he was even able to do that unscathed?)


Jay-Z's albums are a "blue print" and homage to him moving up the ranks in secret societes.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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You would think that if you make a thread like this you would have done a bit more research on the subject. Now then you get into bands that you will not see in the mainstream such as the ones that are in the OP.

Bands that are considered Black Metal do not get played on the radio or at least any station you don't have to pay for. Bands such as Venom,Deicide.Onslaught,and a host of other bands from all around the world would have been better to use than the ones used by the OP. I loved the Black Metal scene in the mid to late 80's and early 90's but eventually got older and tastes change, but still listen to it on occasion. That doesn't mean I worship Satan or does it?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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ummm Lucifer is the light-bearer,why would we want to chase him away from Earth?
Lucifer=good
idiots with wrong idea=bad



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Oh no! Musicians are worshiping the made up foe of a made up god!



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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The late great Bill Cooper once exposed the Free Masons to be an extremely racist organization. Black Free Masons (Prince Hall Masons) and lower level blue lodge members have little to know inkling as to who they are really worshipping. The upper echelons of free masons are worshipping Satan in order to get all that the prince of this world has to offer ie: money , power , and respect.


Wow do you have a link to this info,because I found this to be interesting...


In 1775, an African-American named Prince Hall[18] was initiated into an Irish Constitution military Lodge then in Boston, Massachusetts, along with fourteen other African-Americans, all of whom were free-born. When the military Lodge left North America, those fifteen men were given the authority to meet as a Lodge, form Processions on the days of the Saints John, and conduct Masonic funerals, but not to confer degrees, nor to do other Masonic work. In 1784, these individuals applied for, and obtained, a Lodge Warrant from the Premier Grand Lodge of England (GLE) and formed African Lodge, Number 459. When the UGLE was formed in 1813, all U.S.-based Lodges were stricken from their rolls – due largely to the War of 1812. Thus, separated from both UGLE and any concordantly recognised U.S. Grand Lodge, African Lodge re-titled itself as the African Lodge, Number 1 – and became a de facto "Grand Lodge" (this Lodge is not to be confused with the various Grand Lodges on the Continent of Africa). As with the rest of U.S. Freemasonry, Prince Hall Freemasonry soon grew and organised on a Grand Lodge system for each state. Widespread segregation in 19th- and early 20th-century North America made it difficult for African-Americans to join Lodges outside of Prince Hall jurisdictions – and impossible for inter-jurisdiction recognition between the parallel U.S. Masonic authorities. Prince Hall Masonry has always been regular in all respects except constitutional separation, and this separation has diminished in recent years. At present, Prince Hall Grand Lodges are recognised by some UGLE Concordant Grand Lodges and not by others, but they appear to be working toward full recognition, with UGLE granting at least some degree of recognition.[19] There are a growing number of both Prince Hall Lodges and non-Prince Hall Lodges that have ethnically diverse membership.


en.wikipedia.org...

Not to racist sounding if you have ethnically diverse membership, but what do I know?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by tsurfer2000h
You would think that if you make a thread like this you would have done a bit more research on the subject. Now then you get into bands that you will not see in the mainstream such as the ones that are in the OP.

Bands that are considered Black Metal do not get played on the radio or at least any station you don't have to pay for. Bands such as Venom,Deicide.Onslaught,and a host of other bands from all around the world would have been better to use than the ones used by the OP. I loved the Black Metal scene in the mid to late 80's and early 90's but eventually got older and tastes change, but still listen to it on occasion. That doesn't mean I worship Satan or does it?


Actually , that was the point of the OP. Thanks .

The title implies "Mainstream" music. Music readily available to the masses on any pop top 40 station. That does not include death/heavy metal, so the examples used are legit And thus, the OP is right on target.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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I used to be a huge Bob Dylan fan. Not anymore. In this interview he discussing keeping his part of the bargain with the chief commander:




In this one he talks about suddenly becoming successful after a trip to the crossroads:




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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It was Bill Coopers mystery Babylon Series . I believe it was the , william Morgan part 2 interview:
www.ukginger.net...

In which a 32 degree Free Masons exposes how he moved through the ranks and his deception.

Within the interview, this Mason details that as a white mason he may go into any Prince Hall Lodge as he chooses but a black Mason would be turned away at the door.

Indeed, the Prince Hall Masons and the "Blue Lodge Masons" are completely different and segregated. Apples and Oranges. (this knowledge comes from knowing several Master Prince Halls Masons ...not wikipedia as useful as wiki can be...)



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:13 PM
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The title implies "Mainstream" music. Music readily available to the masses on any pop top 40 station. That does not include death/heavy metal, so the examples used are legit And thus, the OP is right on target.



By the way it says musicians which will include death/heavy metal or does that not include them?


So the OP is not right on target or did I miss something here? Or maybe you can explain the difference between the two as far as musicians go?

A musician is a musician no matter what genre or station they get played on.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Morg234



The Demiurge is the creator of the physical world, while the true God is the creator of all, above and separate from all our corrupt physicality and sin.
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You see this is the problem many of you theists have, you just can't let your fantasy of an afterlife go. Here, you admit that the God of the Bible is an evil, fictitious entity, yet you STILL want to believe that there is a perfect all powerful true Christian Creator. Give it up!


There is an all perfect creator and I am not giving it up just because YOU say so. What an ego, to think that anyone is going to give up their faith in GOD simply because YOU say the word. LOL. To believe in something is far better than a hopeless life of believing in nothing and just becoming a worms dinner in death and nothing more. Your way brings hopelessness, our way gives hope in death and a meaningful life as well. Even if it were not true (which it is),...it's still better than living a life of hopelessness.
edit on 21-2-2012 by Phenomium because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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i never listen to mainstream crap anyway. i heard its pretty bad.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:43 PM
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Just some background reading for those of you who doubt the influence of black culture in masonry...

Elijah Muhammad also taught that there were 360 degrees of knowledge, and the Masons only had 33 degrees of that knowledge. So the Masons were inferior because of their lack of knowledge. Elijah Muhammad in his book The Secrets of Freemasonry states, “Men of higher knowledge us the term “light” to describe knowledge not common to the common man. Many of the founding fathers of this country were, and still are, high degree Masons and Shriners. They have sworn oaths not to reveal, what they call, secrets. It just so happen that the “secrets” they are bound by oaths to keep secret, just happen to be the truths to free you and I from our grave of ignorance”. The book also states, “The Honorable Elijah Muhammad pointed out that the first three degrees of Masonry were the answer to their slavery, but how many of them understood that and have demonstrated a significant work to prove it? The white man gave it to blacks, but the applicable elements were gutted out.” Mr. Muhammad also believes that Freemasonry and scripture elude to him, “He was able to demonstrate works beyond what any man is known for. The symbolism in the scripture dealing with an architect being killed and his body being lost, was a sign, the seal of which was broken by the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

Source: freemasonrywatch.org...

As you can see there are at least 720* in masonry.

Also for those of you disputing that masonry has anything to do with Lucifer read on..

That which we must say to the world is that we worship a god, but it is the god that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: The masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the higher degrees, maintained in the Purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him?

Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods; darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive….

Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil.

Source..goddrinksbeer.wordpress.com...

And for those of you talking about death metal and the likes.. this thread is not about that, it is.. as quoted on two occasions to do with mainstream music, mainly urban music, which dominates the music industry, tv, movies and games..

Yes you can express whatever belief you have, i would never step on another persons belief system however far out there it is.. my point is the intent.. what is the intention of these musicians.. to spread love or vengeance?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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You should read in order to help you think, not blindly believe everything you read.



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