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Why Lucifer/Satan? Musicians now openly performing to or about the Evil One!!

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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How is it that there are so many bright minds here on ATS yet the majority of you are extremely convinced that TPTB are Satanists? I have a feeling that most of you don't even know what being a Satanist is even about, that or any other left hand path religion or philosophy. Just because your Church or the MSM labels something as evil or immoral doesn't mean you should believe it. Express some individuality and research some things before buying into the this herd mentality.




posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by 1nOne
The key to unlocking the mysteries of the Bible is understanding the god of the Old Testament is the Devil.


Dude. Thank you SO MUCH for posting this. I honestly thought I was the only one who thought this. (Or, if not the Devil, an evil entity pretending to be God). Star for you.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:47 PM
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Originally posted by rodredux
Most Christians' faith begins and ends with the Bible, but the Nicene Council, held in AD 325, decided what that faith should be, destroying countless early Christian documents and rewriting passages in others.
That's because the Christian faith isn't Sola Scriptura, it has something called Holy Tradition (and the faith existed before the NT was written and the Council of Nicea was held). They believed that the Holy Spirit guided them. These men upheld orthodox Christian teachings that had been traditioned to them- but they were outnumbered and persecuted by the Arians at one point- not long after Nicea. They rejected certain teachings as false and upheld which books were considered scripture (as said books were already in use in the Church). They specifically rejected certain books/writings as false (and those books were not used in the various Churches), and upheld other books as true yet not scriptural (The Protoevangelium of James, for example).


The goddess Sophia, God's female companion/aspect, was transformed into the androgynous Holy Spirit because they did not want women to hold any power in the church.
Sophia means wisdom. Just because the Hellenistic pagans gave wisdom a human/female personification doesn't mean that translates over to Christianity. You're getting your wires crossed. In Orthodox Christianity, wisdom is an energy of God. In our apophatic theology we don't say that wisdom is the essence of God, because God is incomprehensible. I hear Sophia!/Wisdom! Let us be attentive at every Divine Liturgy.


They added passages about women being silent in church because they did not like the female preachers of that time period. They merged Mary Magdalene with the prostitute Mary, when in fact, Mary Magdalene was an apostle, and perhaps Jesus' most beloved.
We recognize lots of women preachers, missionaries, martyrs, etcetera. No women priests though, and not because women are inferior. It was hygiene motivated as women literally bled out each month, and were often restricted during those times. The Orthodox Church has never said Mary Magdalene was a prostitute and we recognize her as Equal To The Apostles.

The Nag Hamadi Library, huh? Gnosticism always deviated from orthodoxy. Has it occurred to you that the gnostic texts didn't come first? It's a shame you can't prove your point as you don't have any records that back up your claims. It's all conjecture and an attempt at historical revisionism.

As to the OP: I have no idea if certain singers consider themselves Satanists or not, though I seriously doubt most do. The music industry has always attempted to set themselves against 'the establishment'- never mind that they've now become the establishment themselves. At one point, the establishment represented those who held to Judeo-Christian beliefs and disapproved of the rock and roll. Anymore, said establishment is the minority, imo. It's about shock value to get attention and money and always has been. Any attention was good, and negative attention became a mainstay. If you're too everyday Mr./Miss nice person, your handlers will make you over into an attention seeking weirdo for cash money because freaky sells.
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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i only have one question....

do you like fish sticks ?



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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i only see desperate musicians trying to get attention by TPTB...or they are a pretty big crowd of artists...na - attention whores, nothing more...and because tonns of movies exist doesnt make them real or designers - gee, there are tonns of cloth full with satan-all seeing eye etc symbolism - so every one of them is inside?...same with these lyrics...attention - and it works...i bet most of them have read crowley and blavatsky and think now they know everything and have to show their "knowledge" to get an "invitation"....
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:17 PM
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Not sure if this was brought up, I apologize if it was. Kayne West has another song you should listen to, it is called Jesus Walks. Here is the link

www.youtube.com...

Sounds pretty Christ like to me.

PLPL



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Lucifer, Lucifer dawn of the morning, im gonna chase you out of earth"


I'd have to see more lyrics than just this because at a cursory glance, this looks like he is pissing in Satan's face, not glorifying him.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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"devil in a new dress"- you do not even need to be a hip hop fan to realize what kanye is talkin about....not talking about the devil...referring to women as sinful creatures, hence, the whole devil idea...



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:09 PM
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How is it that there are so many bright minds here on ATS yet the majority of you are extremely convinced that TPTB are Satanists?


Because they are? Do you really think this is a new phenomenon? This started waaay back with Nimrod and the tower of Bab'El (Gateway to God) when Nimrod was trying to create the first One World Order, One World Religion and One World Currency. Guess what? The Luciferians are at it again? Wanna know what Nimrod's name means? It means "mighty hunter before the Lord" or "mighty hunter rebelling against the Lord", he put himself before the Lord, which is the way of Satan.

He would have succeeded if Yahweh hadn't torpedoed his boat and the Messiah would never have been born and Satan would have won and mankind would have then been utterly destroyed. Thank Yah for intervening or none of us would be here today.

The illumimati are trying to recreate Nimrod's One World Order and with every year that passes they get closer and closer to it. The ultimate goal is total world domination and total world assimilation where they will establish a One World Order, and One World Religion and if you do not bow down and submit to their religion, they take your head. Ever hear the Mark of the Beast? Now you know where both that, and the Antichrist come from and not just The Antichrist but everyone who has the antichrist spirit in them will be onboard with that boat. The only options youre going to get soon will be:

Fight

Or

Die



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Well of course, there has always been some aspect of "evil" against some aspect of "good" but seriously, who cares if they are Luciferian or not its just a religion. And what's so wrong with thinking your above some fictional charecter? If one believes something to be inferior that is not of this earth than that is ones belief. I for one definitely think that way, the laws and morals of man will always come before some fear of "sin" or divine punishment that holds no leverage here on Earth.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by Canned2na
How is it that there are so many bright minds here on ATS yet the majority of you are extremely convinced that TPTB are Satanists?


A man with wisdom is an open minded man. Leave no stone un-turned.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:56 PM
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reply to post by Oxygenation
 

Is it such a problem to say whatever you want, without threatning anyone?



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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why do people think that you live this life un judged.

so if somebody kills someone and hides for the rest of their life no punishment awaits them??

This is not the law of nature my friend, for every up there is a down, for every action there is a consequence and for every sin there is a punishment.

Ying Yang, Moral duality.

Funny there is:

On and off
closed and open
0 and 1
A and B
Hate and Love


But people do not want to accept good and evil

Heaven or Hell
God or Satan


People would rather believe in Nothing.

lets go over peoples beliefs regarding the afterlife:

Christian: Heaven or Hell
Muslim: Heaven or Hell
Jewish: Heaven or Hell
Modern Day society/Atheism: ...................................................(dead end)


why does every thing follow the law of Duality except this modern day way of living????

Ill tell you why because if the masses knew or started to believe that there was something after this life.........the value people place on money would drop and all the major corporations would crumble to the ground.

Bye- Bye Materialism YAYYYYY.

Peace



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 01:53 AM
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I dont read the bible but is that true?? i that is...thats crazy..i never noticed that...



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by ShadowZion
reply to post by petrus4
 


why do people think that you live this life un judged.

so if somebody kills someone and hides for the rest of their life no punishment awaits them??

This is not the law of nature my friend, for every up there is a down, for every action there is a consequence and for every sin there is a punishment.

Ying Yang, Moral duality.

Funny there is:

On and off
closed and open
0 and 1
A and B
Hate and Love


But people do not want to accept good and evil

Heaven or Hell
God or Satan


People would rather believe in Nothing.

lets go over peoples beliefs regarding the afterlife:

Christian: Heaven or Hell
Muslim: Heaven or Hell
Jewish: Heaven or Hell
Modern Day society/Atheism: ...................................................(dead end)


why does every thing follow the law of Duality except this modern day way of living????

Ill tell you why because if the masses knew or started to believe that there was something after this life.........the value people place on money would drop and all the major corporations would crumble to the ground.

Bye- Bye Materialism YAYYYYY.

Peace



Well we know these things exist in our world, no one can be sure about the greater universe though.
I do believe in creation but not in the God/Devil or Heaven/Hell scenario, it just don't make sense.
Closest thing I can imagine to hell is going through your life causing more pain than good & being made to come back till you learn to be a decent human being.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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Body counts don't matter in war.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 02:38 AM
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songs about satan and evil stuff are hardly new, to the OP you must never have listened to any death metal or the like. though, to be fair i do want to smack the people who tell me death metal is "satan worshiping" music haha. i just felt like throwing my two cents in, because i have heard plenty of songs about the devil, satan or whatever you feel like calling him.

plus, like many others said, these idiots don't know how to actually play an instrument or have much talent so they rely heavily on shock value.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Those are pretty tame if you ask me, check this video out, it's called Sacrilegious Scorn by none other than Norwegian Black Metal band Dimmu Borgir




posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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All those artist and many more, are just puppets and satan worshipers. Why the hell would you want to sell your soul for fame and money? money is paper.. fame is just an image, your soul is priceless, the other world is the real world. Not worth it.

Surely if people believe in the Devil, i'm pretty sure there is a God out there.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:53 AM
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So is Satan a victim of bad propaganda?

When Hip Hop was still in its infancy there was this one rapper
who, I recall, admitted he worshipped Satan. His illustrious career soon fell after
that.

The Album was called "Oh My God!"

Which of course many know you are actually not allowed to say



"You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain for the Lord will not leave him unpunished who takes His name in vain."




Of course the infamous:



D = Doug E Fresh
R = MC Ricky D (aka Slick Rick)
B = Both
G = Get Fresh Crew
Intro
Ladies and Gentleman...the most exciting stage show you've ever
witnessed...appearing live...Doug E Fresh and the Get Fresh Crew.
Verse 1

Oh my God
Is it real?



R: Excuse me Doug E Fresh...
D: Yes!
R: Have you ever seen a show with fellas on the mic
with one minute rhymes that don't come out right
They bite
D: They never write
R: That's not polite. Am I lyin'?
D: No, you're quite right
R: Well tonight on this very mic you're about to hear
B: We swear, the best darn rappers of the year
R: So!
D: So!
R: Cheerio!
D: Yell...
R: Scream...
B: Bravo! Also, if you didn't know this is called The Show
Verse 2
R: A-yo, Doug
D: What?
R: Put ya Bally's on
D: Yo, Rick, I was about to but I need a shoehorn
R: Why?

D: Because these shoes always hurt my corns (reference to devil hoofs?)
R: Six minutes...six minutes...six minutes


Doug E Fresh, you're on
Uh uh on, Uh uh on, Uh uh-uh uh-uh uh uh on
Uh uh on, Uh uh on, Uh uh-uh uh-uh uh uh on
Ooh ooh ooh, uh uh on

More lyrics: www.lyricsmania.com...
All about Doug E+Fresh: www.musictory.com...


And of course the mysterious:




I believe now he is a scientologist.




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