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Why Lucifer/Satan? Musicians now openly performing to or about the Evil One!!

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Originally posted by Oxygenation
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We're not talking about the original song!

They simply used the lyric for the chorus of the song. Im talking about the song itself.. Jay-Z opens saying "I have these dark forces in me" Nothing to do with the original song...

And regarding Masonry and the fact that white people rule the roost i think you haven't quite done your research..
White people are at the bottom of the ladder when it comes to Masonry..

The black people took the rituals out of Egypt and formed secret societies. White Masons can only elevate to the 33rd degree.. beyond that there are hundreds of more degrees only black people are allowed to take.



Ahhh I see now...So in the western world there is in fact a secret group of black people who are in charge and have been since the Egyptians..
Exactly what, pray tell, were these Black people doing during Slavery...just kicking back, telling whitey to not worry and one day there will be a Black Prez and everything will be forgotten.

Do you even comprehend that Black people didnt really have any legal position in the US untill the mid 60's.

Seems like an awfully risky strategy ...you could in fact be a 150th Degree Black Mason and for 200 years you werent allowed an education, a vote or to use indoor toilets in public places untill the mid 60's....makes sense now ....the shifty so and so's...

I bet Obama is a 10202th degree mason....thats why hes the most educationally over qualified president in the history of the country.

Crafty indeed....work for a doctorate instead of getting all C's like Bush...makes sense now
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Why exactly is Lucifer evil? Because the Bible says so?




posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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I never said there weren't any other texts referring to the devil. My point was that the concept of the devil, lucifer and satan are what they are to us today because of the indoctrination of world religion over the past, without it our concepts of evil would be completely different.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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I never said there wasnt other music that in the past has covered satanism, i know about the beatles and the covers of some micheal jackson albums are linked to the occult amongst many other genres, the fact is that it has never been as open and accepting as it is in the media today. We have never had songs referencing satan on during day time hours.. only now are we starting to see it infiltrate into day time viewing too.

You may try to understand but i prefer to inner and overstand



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:20 PM
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Try reading up on ancient shriners and you might eventually catch on..



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:37 PM
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The use of satanic or dark themes in popular music is nothing new at all, in fact back in the 70's and 80's with bands like led Zeppelin, black sabbath, and the whole heavy metal movement, themes of the devil and alliance with the dark side are almost impossible to avoid in song lyrics.

There was also the whole backwards message thing, that people insisted would corrupt kids into performing which craft. Well all those kids grew up, had kids, mortgases, and jobs, so there you go.

In the end it was all a marketing trend and mostly harmless fun.

The fact that every week or so there is a thread created about Jay Z and the Freemasons or some dead pop start being an illuminate sacrific is great news for the artist and their labels. It means we are all talking and speculating about them, and that my friends is good business, and that is what this is all about. Whether you buy an album because you love the music or you buy it because you want to investigate the dark influence of the songs. The only thing that matters is that another album is sold!



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:45 PM
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Point taken, sir, thank you



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:47 PM
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I haven't read the whole topic of replies, so maybe this has been stated before me,

First, they have every right to sing about whatever they want to sing about, and whoever they want to sing about, i believe it falls under

Freedom Of Religion meaning, they can practice, and be vocally expressive about whatever 'Religion' they believe in,

how come country singers, gospel singers, and other such 'Christian' Bands don't get called out for always preaching Jesus?

how comes it's okay to 'Thank God' for winning an award? or a sports event? but it's not okay to thank the deity you believe in? be it Satan, buddha, Allah, Zeus, or even a made up one,


how come Christian/Catholics can parade their religion around, be vocal about the 'Morally Wrong' that don't 'Follow Jesus'

It's Hypocrisy, which i guess in the end is the 'American Way'



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:53 PM
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With religion being such a touchy subject its probably nothing more then just a marketing ploy.


Agreed. The music industry has been using this sort of thing for decades now. That's all it is. If you saw the South Park episode dealing with Kanye - just watched it this week - you would know why he lost his show and how silly it is to even consider this guy in anything.

He's just trying to get back on the charts. As for Jay Z, I liked his first song, Can I get a * * but haven't seen anything from him worth paying any attention to since then.

Simply the struggle for bucks. Howard Stern showing the way, God help us. Shock Jock! to quote Kevin Matthews/Jimmy Shorts

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by bg_socalif
The Metal and Hard Rock genre's have been singing about Satan for a good 40+ years now. The old bluesmen sang about it. Robert Johnson sold his soul (supposedly) to Satan.

Satan references have been in music forever.
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Originally posted by bg_socalif
The Metal and Hard Rock genre's have been singing about Satan for a good 40+ years now. The old bluesmen sang about it. Robert Johnson sold his soul (supposedly) to Satan.

Satan references have been in music forever.


Yes, but do you know why?

Wikipedia: "Kenites or Cinites ( /ˈkiːnaɪt/; Hebrew: קינים, Hebrew pronunciation: [qiˈnim]), according to the Hebrew Bible, were a nomadic clan in the ancient Levant, sent under Jethro a priest in the land of Midian.[1] They played an important role in the history of ancient Israel. The Kenites were coppersmiths and metalworkers.
According to the Kenite hypothesis, Yahweh was originally the tribal god of Jethro, borrowed and adapted by the Hebrews.
"Kenite" or "Kainite" Strong's #7014, #7017 (use Older Strong's Concordance) derives from the Hebrew Kainim.
The name "Kenite or "Kainite" Strong's #7014, #7017 (use Older Strong's Concordance) may be derived from the name of someone named Cain. Alternatively, the name may be derived from the name of Kenan (Cainan), the son of Enos (and thus the grandson of Seth and the great-grandson of Adam), but this only appears in the newer Strong's Concordance not in the original. (Author's note: the corrupted newer edition)

According to the critical interpretation of the Biblical data, the Kenites were a clan settled on the southern border of Judah, originally more advanced in arts than the Hebrews, and from whom the latter learned much. They supposedly migrated from southern Asia. In the time of David the Kenites were finally settled among the tribe of Judah.[6] Their eponymous ancestor may have been Cain (Kain), to whose descendants the Jahwist in Genesis iv. attributes the invention of the art of working bronze and iron, the use of instruments of music, etc. Sayce has implied[7] that the Kenites were a tribe of smiths—a view to which Jahwist's statements would lend support."

As we see, the Kenites (of Cain) were metal workers, stonemasons (smiths) and talented musicians. This is why the music industry (Hollywood included) today abounds with names like, Eisner (iron worker); Bernstein (amber); Steiner (stonemason); Feldman (fieldman)/Bauer (farmer: Cain was the tiller of the soil); Schmidt/Smits (smith); Goldman; Silverstein; Diamond; Moneystein; Pearlman; Crystal; Glass; Price; etc...

Today, seven Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner
Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company
Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd
Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios
Sumner Redstone (a.k.a. Murray Rothstein), Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc
Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric
Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. (Rense.com)

Christian apostolic scripture details the seduction and impregnation of Eve by the Demiurge, Yaldabaoth (Yahweh, YHWH), especially in the Apocryphon of John. The Hebrew Torah, or Old Testament's account of Genesis is very clear in stating that it was not Adam who sired Cain but YHWH, instead. English translations of Genesis 4:1 have taken extremely strong liberties in professing Adam fathered Cain yet the original, uncorrupted Hebrew version is quite clear in demonstrating Cain's parentage by YHWH. This is why Cain is inexplicably missing from Adam's geneology in Genesis 5. According to Wikipedia:

Yaldabaoth
A lion-faced deity found on a Gnostic gem in Bernard de Montfaucon’s L’antiquité expliquée et représentée en figures may be a depiction of the Demiurge.In the Ophite and Sethian systems, which have many affinities with that last mentioned, the making of the world is ascribed to a company of seven archons, whose names are given, but their chief, “Yaldabaoth” (also known as "Yaltabaoth" or "Ialdabaoth") comes into still greater prominence.

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:12 PM
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In the Apocryphon of John circa 120-180 AD, the Demiurge arrogantly declares that he has made the world by himself:

Now the archon (ruler) who is weak has three names. The first name is Yaltabaoth, the second is Saklas (“fool”), and the third is Samael. And he is impious in his arrogance which is in him. For he said, "I am God and there is no other God beside me," for he is ignorant of his strength, the place from which he had come.[23]

He is Demiurge and maker of man, but as a ray of light from above enters the body of man and gives him a soul, Yaldabaoth is filled with envy; he tries to limit man's knowledge by forbidding him the fruit of knowledge in paradise. The Demiurge, fearing lest Jesus, whom he had intended as his Messiah, should spread the knowledge of the Supreme God, had him crucified by the Romans. At the consummation of all things all light will return to the Pleroma. But Yaldabaoth, the Demiurge, with the material world, will be cast into the lower depths.

In Pistis Sophia Yaldabaoth has already sunk from his high estate and resides in Chaos, where, with his forty-nine demons, he tortures wicked souls in boiling rivers of pitch, and with other punishments (pp. 257, 382). He is an archon with the face of a lion, half flame and half darkness.

Yaldabaoth is frequently called "the Lion-faced", leontoeides, with the body of a serpent. We are told also,[24] that the Demiurge is of a fiery nature, the words of Moses being applied to him, “the Lord our God is a burning and consuming fire,” a text used also by Simon.[25]

Under the name of Nebro (rebel), Yaldabaoth is called an angel in the apocryphal Gospel of Judas. He is first mentioned in “The Cosmos, Chaos, and the Underworld” as one of the twelve angels to come “into being [to] rule over chaos and the [underworld]”. He comes from heaven, his “face flashed with fire and whose appearance was defiled with blood”. Nebro creates six angels in addition to the angel Saklas to be his assistants. These six in turn create another twelve angels “with each one receiving a portion in the heavens.”

[edit] NamesThe most probable derivation of the name “Yaldabaoth” is that given by Johann Karl Ludwig Gieseler, “Son of Chaos,” from Hebrew yalda bahut,ילדא בהות.

“Samael” literally means “Blind God” or “God of the Blind” in Aramaic (Syriac sæmʻa-ʼel). This being is considered not only blind, or ignorant of its own origins, but may in addition be evil; its name is also found in Judaica as the Angel of Death and in Christian demonology. This leads to a further comparison with Satan. Another alternative title for the Demiurge, “Saklas,” is Aramaic for “fool” (Syriac sækla “the foolish one”).

The name has also been inscribed as "Ariel Ialdabaoth"[26][27], and the figure of the archon inscribed with "Aariel"[28]. The angelic name "Ariel" has also been used to refer to the demiurge and is called his "perfect" name[29], and in some Gnostic lore, Ariel has been called an ancient or original name for Ialdabaoth[30].

[edit] MarcionAccording to Marcion, the title God was given to the Demiurge, who was to be sharply distinguished from the higher Good God. The former was díkaios, severely just, the latter agathós, or loving-kind; the former was the "god of this world" (2 Corinthians 4:4), the God of the Old Testament, the latter the true God of the New Testament. Christ, though in reality the Son of the Good God, pretended to be the Messiah of the Demiurge, the better to spread the truth concerning His heavenly Father. The true believer in Christ entered into God's kingdom, the unbeliever remained forever the slave of the Demiurge.

[edit] ValentinusIt is in the system of Valentinus that the name Dēmiourgos is used, which occurs nowhere in Irenaeus except in connexion with the Valentinian system; and we may reasonably conclude that it was Valentinus who adopted from Platonism the use of this word. When it is employed by other Gnostics it may be held either that it is not used in a technical sense, or that its use has been borrowed from Valentinus. But it is only the name that can be said to be specially Valentinian; the personage intended by it corresponds more or less closely with the Yaldabaoth of the Ophites, the great Archon of Basilides, the Elohim of Justinus, etc.

The Valentinian theory elaborates that from Achamoth (he káta sophía or lower wisdom) three kinds of substance take their origin, the spiritual (pneumatikoí), the animal (psychikoí) and the material (hylikoí). The Demiurge belongs to the second kind, as he was the offspring of a union of Achamoth with matter.[31] And as Achamoth herself was only the daughter of Sophía the last of the thirty Aeons, the Demiurge was distant by many emanations from the Propatôr, or Supreme God.

The Demiurge in creating this world out of Chaos was unconsciously influenced for good by Jesus Soter; and the universe, to the surprise even of its Maker, became almost perfect. The Demiurge regretted even its slight imperfection, and as he thought himself the Supreme God, he attempted to remedy this by sending a Messiah. To this Messiah, however, was actually united Jesus the Saviour, Who redeemed men. These are either hylikoí, or pneumatikoí.

The first, or material men, will return to the grossness of matter and finally be consumed by fire; the second, or animal men, together with the Demiurge as their master, will enter a middle state, neither Pleroma nor hyle; the purely spiritual men will be completely freed from the influence of the Demiurge and together with the Saviour and Achamoth, his spouse, will enter the Pleroma divested of body (hyle) and soul (psyché).[32] In this most common form of Gnosticism the Demiurge had an inferior though not intrinsically evil function in the universe as the head of the animal, or psychic world.

[edit] The devilOpinions on the devil, and his relationship to the Demiurge, varied. The Ophites held that he and his demons constantly oppose and thwart the human race, as it was on their account the devil was cast down into this world.[33] According to one variant of the Valentinian system, the Demiurge is besides the maker, out of the appropriate substance, of an order of spiritual beings, the devil, the prince of this world, and his angels. But the devil, as being a spirit of wickedness, is able to recognise the higher spiritual world, of which his maker the Demiurge, who is only animal, has no knowledge. The devil resides in this lower world, of which he is the prince, the Demiurge in the heavens; his mother Sophia in the middle region, above the heavens and below the Pleroma.[34]

The Valentinian Heracleon[35] interpreted the devil as the principle of evil, that of hyle (matter). As he writes in his commentary on John 4:21,

The mountain represents the Devil, or his world, since the Devil was one part of the whole of matter, but the world is the total mountain of evil, a deserted dwelling place of beasts, to which all who lived before the law and all Gentiles render worship. But Jerusalem represents the creation or the Creator whom the Jews worship. . . . You then who are spiritual should worship neither the creation nor the Craftsman, but the Father of Truth.

This vilification of the Creator was held to be inimical to Christianity by the early fathers of the church. In refuting the views of the Gnostics, Irenaeus observed that "Plato is proved to be more religious than these men, for he allowed that the same God was both just and good, having power over all things, and Himself executing judgment."[36]

[edit] CatharsCatharism apparently inherited their idea of Satan as the creator of the evil world from Gnosticism. Gilles Quispel writes,

There is a direct link between ancient Gnosticism and Catharism. The Cathars held that the creator of the world, Satanael, had usurped the name of God, but that he had subsequently been unmasked and told that he was not really God.[37]



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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(continued)

Finally consider Ezekiel:

Ezekiel 28:12-19
New International Version (NIV)

12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says:
“‘You were the seal of perfection,
full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden,
the garden of God;
every precious stone adorned you:
carnelian, chrysolite and emerald,
topaz, onyx and jasper,
lapis lazuli, turquoise and beryl.[a]
Your settings and mountings were made of gold;
on the day you were created they were prepared.
14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for so I ordained you.
You were on the holy mount of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
16 Through your widespread trade
you were filled with violence,
and you sinned.
So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God,
and I expelled you, guardian cherub,
from among the fiery stones.
17 Your heart became proud
on account of your beauty,
and you corrupted your wisdom
because of your splendor.
So I threw you to the earth;
I made a spectacle of you before kings.
18 By your many sins and dishonest trade
you have desecrated your sanctuaries.
So I made a fire come out from you,
and it consumed you,
and I reduced you to ashes on the ground
in the sight of all who were watching.
19 All the nations who knew you
are appalled at you;
you have come to a horrible end
and will be no more.’”

The devil was in Eden not as the snake but as the adorned and anointed YHWH.
It was he who spoke to Moses through the burning bush at Sinai/Zion.
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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The problem with this is you are still quoting a source that a lot of folks...dont believe in. And they wont no matter how many things you quote from it. (And you ARE continuing to quote)

Make an argument that can be accepted by believers and non-believers alike. Then it will be "point-well-taken".



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
The problem with this is you are still quoting a source that a lot of folks...dont believe in. And they wont no matter how many things you quote from it. (And you ARE continuing to quote)

Make an argument that can be accepted by believers and non-believers alike. Then it will be "point-well-taken".


You're right: I've quoted multiple sources from the Old Testament, The New Testament, the Torah, the Gnostics, linguists, and even Wikipedia. Shall I now quote the Quran, too? All the evidence is right in front of us "hidden" in plain sight.
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Well now! I certainly agree with you now on that point.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:19 PM
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Christ, though in reality the Son of the Good God, pretended to be the Messiah of the Demiurge,

how did he pretend this ? is there any evidence ?

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Satan is lord of this world.
Ones who pledge alliance with him will get earthly riches but will never reach the true God of the universes.

YHWH from the old testament is lord Satan, praise him and you praise the devil.

Here is lyrics from King and Queen performed by 30 seconds to mars.



The age of man is over
A darkness comes at dawn
These lessons that we've learned here
Have only just begun

We were the kings and queens of promise
We were the victims of ourselves
Maybe the children of a lesser god
Between heaven and hell.


We are blood and flesh spirit prisons created by the devil, we are children of a lesser god.
The devil will do whatever he can to be praised and keep the souls on earth...I even suspect that the bible idea of heaven is actually a spirit trap that keeps us from the truth, the real universe, the one true God.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:52 PM
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There is a lot of interesting confusion and misconception here. Most of it stems from not reading ALL the history accounts, and that isn't particularly the fault of the individual. The history was removed.
"AL, IL, EL" are the latin suffixes for 'god' EL(oheim) with whom "Man is at War with in the War in Heaven"
(Azaz-el) The Babylonian people called the El 'Demons', and 'Whore' for their experiments on Mankind (the splicing of Mans DNA with the Snake (Hu) which is shown on the ancient 'blessing hand of Azazel') and the creation of the Nephlihiem and the Ba-el; the El enter on the 33rd degree line to this domain. Today we call them "Greys".

This is the god of the Babylonian Slave Queen Selene. She created the Vatican, Papal, Royal, Federal, the Five day work week where all fruits of labor are seized or taxed as Tribute to 'god'. The Monetary System and the Corporations, who were called the "Merchants and Money lenders" at the "Temple" of Babylon which was the Ziggurat of Azazel.

The Father of the Reptile branch who's name in the 1st world was 'SET', then Apsu, then Annu..now An of Nibiru..is the 'Serpent' that Invaded Eden. He is listed as an Oceanic "Leviathan Class Serpent"

The 'pentagram' is called the 'Temple of SET'. This Branch follows the Left hand path, which is called 'Service to Self', and that is why the pharaoh statues lead with the left foot. The Highest Service to Self is 'Murder of Self or Other'. Entrainment to the left hand path, is the known system to create a Sociopath which is regarded as the ultimate service to SET, and that is why Service to Self is the founding principle of all Satanic Covens.

He has two Offspring Races who are at war with each other for control of Earth via their Covens.
The Anunnaki whose native language is Sumerian
The El whose native language is Latin

The Age of Azazel started the Coven age. In the first world his HEBREW name was 'Azazel' but the SUMERIAN name is Marduke. For every name in one language, the same person has names in ALL other languages...they were the Conquerors of Earth. The hebrew named 'Abraham' of the House of Ur, is also called in egypt "Amenemhet I"(Head of Amun(Enki)), and in sumeria was named "Anshargal".

In the 1st World his name was 'Azazel' and he started his Coven Wicca, and was the "Horned god"
In the 2nd World his name in Egypt was 'Baphomet', and he started his Coven Caesar (Coven Azazel Master)
(Ca-Coven Azazel in Latin root word formations)(e-had)(sar-czar, in german/saxon word formations='Master')
In the 3rd World his name was 'Massawa' the "Great Architect god" of his Coven Freemason, which uses his name.

That is when they altered the term 'Coven' to 'Church' and created the 'Holy Roman Church'. It is when they coined the term 'massiah' from the name Massawa, and when the 'two finger' hand sign from the 'blessing hand of Azazel' was incorporated into the Melchizedek Order of Lilith(Selene's name in the 4th World) as well as incorporated it into the 'Church'. If you look at the 'pope' and then the images of the freemason 'god' you will find that to this day they still wear the same garb. This is when they created the 'bible' which is 'By-B-El', and the 'ELS' code is the 'El's code'. In this 4th World the Hopi call him "Massa, Landlord of Earth".

The Babylonian names "Selene and Syn" her husband/fraternal twin were renamed under the greek name Arsinoe II, and the roman name Ptolemy Philadelphus and their date of rule has been altered..all to hide them.

In the 1st World of Sumerian they were the fraternal twins "Enlil & Inanna". Enlil was of the Eagle Bird tribes of Nibiru, Inanna was Queen of the Moloch, who were the Owl race.

In the third world, they were the worst of debauchery and pure pedophiles, and made human sacrifice to their god Azazel, by the hundreds of thousands. Lilith's specific sacrifice is Children, and these were brought to the Temple for the orgies were they were raped by the Coven members at will.

To this day, the Vatican holds her statue at their museum as 'high tribute' to the Royal that created them...and to this Day they protect the Pedophiles in their Coven, who are doing 'high service' to their god 'Selene/Lilith'.

Every single religion on Earth owes its creation to the Coven age. There is no separate 'religion'. God did not create religions, SET did. Why? Because at the end of each cycle there is a 'division' of the Families. It is the SUBCONSCIOUS ONLY--that chooses who you will do 'service to'. Do you choose Set, or the Family branch of Adam? This is why it was said 'there is a War for the souls of mankind on Earth'.

All the religions, the 'kundalini', 'meditation', were all to raise the 'snake' consciousness seeded in the population with the 'reptile brain' inserted..to choose SET above Adam. You may choose any of their offspring, under various names..Buddha, Jesus..





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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 03:01 PM
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Originally posted by icepack
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Christ, though in reality the Son of the Good God, pretended to be the Messiah of the Demiurge,

how did he pretend this ? is there any evidence ?

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TeachingsMain article:

Wiki:

"Marcionism

Study of the Jewish Scriptures, along with received writings circulating in the nascent Church (the majority of which were eventually incorporated into the New Testament canon) led Marcion to conclude that many of the teachings of Jesus were incompatible with the actions of the god of the Old Testament, Yahweh. Marcion responded by developing a dualist system of belief around the year 144.[7] This dual-god notion allowed Marcion to reconcile supposed contradictions between Old Covenant theology and the Gospel message proclaimed by Jesus.
Marcion affirmed Jesus to be the saviour sent by the Heavenly Father, and Paul as His chief apostle. In contrast to the nascent Christian church, Marcion declared that Christianity was distinct from and in opposition to Judaism. Marcion did not claim that the Jewish Scriptures were false. Instead, Marcion asserted that they were to be read in an absolutely literal manner, thereby developing an understanding that YHVH was not the same god spoken of by Jesus, e.g. in the Genesis account of YHVH walking through the Garden of Eden asking where Adam was, Marcion read this to mean that YHVH physically walked through the Garden without foreknowledge of Adam's whereabouts. Marcion argued that this proved YHVH inhabited a physical body (unlike the Heavenly Father) and that YHVH was ignorant and without universal foreknowledge, attributes wholly incompatible with the Heavenly Father professed by Jesus.
According to Marcion, the god of the Old Testament, whom he called the Demiurge, the creator of the material universe, is a jealous tribal deity of the Jews, whose law represents legalistic reciprocal justice and who punishes mankind for its sins through suffering and death. Contrastingly, the god that Jesus professed is an altogether different being, a universal god of compassion and love who looks upon humanity with benevolence and mercy.

The writer of that Wikipedia article was trying to express the Gnostic concept of the pre-ontological greatness of Jesus: "Before Abraham was, I AM". John 8:58 The author, as I believe, was attempting to describe how the Father, through Jesus incarnate, chose to use the devil's (Yahweh's) own worldly playground and paradigm (the evil OT covenant and prophesies) to beat him at his own game.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by User8911
Satan is lord of this world.
Ones who pledge alliance with him will get earthly riches but will never reach the true God of the universes.

YHWH from the old testament is lord Satan, praise him and you praise the devil.

Here is lyrics from King and Queen performed by 30 seconds to mars.



The age of man is over
A darkness comes at dawn
These lessons that we've learned here
Have only just begun

We were the kings and queens of promise
We were the victims of ourselves
Maybe the children of a lesser god
Between heaven and hell.


We are blood and flesh spirit prisons created by the devil, we are children of a lesser god.
The devil will do whatever he can to be praised and keep the souls on earth...I even suspect that the bible idea of heaven is actually a spirit trap that keeps us from the truth, the real universe, the one true God.


One of the most astounding interviews I ever saw, was in the 80's. A rabi of the older sect (the ones with the beards and black hats..forgotten the name) said before live tv..."His god was Satan, that is who Yahweh was".

It was known, that the family of SET had recreated the 'All' from Above, by creating their own 'heaven' and also a 'hell' which doesn't exist above. The term 'cording' is when they attached, literally, an aetheric cord to the person. When they left their body, they would go up the cord, never knowing they were not 'getting free' but being redirected..that 'bright light' at the end of the tunnel is Liliths domain. You simply see what ever they want you to see, or what ever they want you to remember.




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