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Christianity as Psychological Warfare

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 03:50 PM
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Your whole post is a gross misrepresentation of Christianity. On purpose right? Either that or you have no knowledge on the topic?

You understand that saying you are Christian is not the same as being Christian, correct? You certainly understand that the actions of individuals or groups that are contrary to Christ's teachings are not Christian acts and are the fault of the people involved and not Christians?

If an Atheist does something wrong, are all Atheists guilty? Under your premise, yes they are. So if an Atheist commits say a murder, all Atheists are murderers, correct? Same logic and same argument.
edit on 2/20/2012 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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You need to watch this video and then remember all the scientist who recently said they proved that the Torah was over 10,000 years old. This is the truth, not propaganda in any way for one side or the other. Watch it and your jaw just may hit the floor.

video.google.com...



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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Christianity is CONVOLUTED, double minded, and unstable in all it's ways. BECAUSE of the traditions of men. College.. these preachers are taught by so called "learned" teachers that they've heaped upon themselves for the purpose of helping themselves to rake in money. If there is ANY institution that can create a sociopath, it is Christianity. Thank you, I'll be here all week, good day.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:01 PM
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Good show, Friend.
I have to say to the OP, I can fully understand your stance, and I read the article you linked to. It makes sense, actually. Hell, the way I see it, those folks who call themselves 'missionaries' are actually going on vacations to exotic areas to spread 'the word' to a bunch of natives who in their own right, have a far more true sense of what god really is as opposed to the christian way of thinking. I'm not saying that those people are living the high life out there in the wilds, but they have no business out there 'winning souls' when there are more than enough fences that need mending here in the US with homelessness, hunger, addiction, despair...etc. I would far rather see a church build affordable housing for those who need it than send JimBob and MaryAnn to the Amazon for 5 months. The natives won't care, but a family or two here would appreciate the effort. After all, that's what their Jesus would have liked better.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by xacto
reply to post by andreoutlaw
 


I think that one of the major issues pertaining to traditional religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the sense of some type of seal of debt upon humanity. The notion that you enter this body as "wicked" essentially ascribes us as fallen Angels. I don't know about you, but I do not stand for the fully heinous thought forms individuals throughout the world have asserted via their supposed religious "understanding." Hell on Earth has been active for some time and years and years ago manifested itself as the supposed absolute 'judgements' and 'beliefs' of these religions through their human hosts. In fact, I BELIEVE that most people's beliefs and understanding coming from religion is a tongue twisting field of nonsense meant to break people's Ego down so that they may be better manipulated by "God" or in other words, anything (be it two dimensional entities, or higher level entities, and everything else wiggling through this multiverse). When i see the extreme hatred for other humans, when I see the lack of revolutionary spirit against what obviously oppresses us, when I see condemning judgement for the most frivilous of reason, I question who really pulls those people's strings.

Not to say good things, as well as useless, and everything in between haven't come from people and their religious ties, but I do know great, GREAT negativity has been spawned by people and their religiously influenced lives. I mean come on eternal damnation, we're all wicked, hatred and wickedness because of what stupid reasons?

Jesus, it's like a angry little 10 year old from the dark ages is messing with everyone.



Great post...and I'd say more then a few little angry 10 year olds from the dark ages grew up into very angry adults who entered the catholic priesthood to poison the minds of others

I feel like I still live in the dark ages where I live at times...if you're not Christian here then you're of the devil/druggie/atheist and are pretty much an outcast....The christian god still rules with an iron fist in many places.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by xacto
 


Your whole post is a gross misrepresentation of Christianity. On purpose right? Either that or you have no knowledge on the topic?

You understand that saying you are Christian is not the same as being Christian, correct? You certainly understand that the actions of individuals or groups that are contrary to Christ's teachings are not Christian acts and are the fault of the people involved and not Christians?

If an Atheist does something wrong, are all Atheists guilty? Under your premise, yes they are. So if an Atheist commits say a murder, all Atheists are murderers, correct? Same logic and same argument.
edit on 2/20/2012 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)



Heh, yes, I contain zero applicable knowledge on these matters.


I don't mean to be curt, but if you could only take a step back from 'yourself' and find...yourself, you'd understand more of what I was trying to convey. And as I specifically stated, religion is not all bad. That way of thinking, absolutely one way or another, black and white....1 and 0. If you can't see that the true message behind holy individual's teachings has been corrupted by fear, hate, and deception over the years, turning into oppressive religious offshoots, then you are simply lying to yourself.

The arrogance of some to not at least once consider that maybe their beliefs about "God" and related things aren't the end all be all is a shame because it has been one of the main reasons behind much of the #ing suffering that this planet has experienced. Now, whether that negativity would just manifest in different ways, regardless of religion, well that's a very good thing to consider to.

And that is exactly what I mean, be considerate, and know that the "righteousness" of those that are and were the great individuals that they were, is within all of us. That's what I believe Jesus said, that 'God' is within our very hearts and minds.

Best way I can put it.

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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Originally posted by Wonders
reply to post by taccj9903
 


I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.



I'm sorry that your grandmother was treated that way. Please do not misunderstand what I was trying to convey. I only have met missionaries in my day and I wasn't trying to defend the bad actions of them all. I was merely stating that from what I have witnessed they aren't all bad people with an agenda. There are good Christians just like there are just as many that are hypocrites and call themselves Christians. Just a side note my wife is a Native American and she is a Christian, and believe me, I am subjected to all the preaching and could definitely do without that religion.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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Originally posted by andreoutlaw

Have you ever been a Christian yourself?


I was raised vaguely Christian, but no, not really. It has always just seemed stupid and weird, the whole concept.

It is designed to make people weak. I am working on the one about "sin" now, which I think is definitely worse than the weak Christ concept on which it is based. Well, I guess they are based on each other. It is all just sick and evil, the whole scam.


I was raised in a Christian sect and had spent some time in religion as an adult. I am glad that I am not associated with religion now but I will admit I met some very kind and considerate people who in no way would force their beliefs onto others. I think some on this post believe I am trying to defend Christianity and the actions of its followers but that isn't my intention. I just feel that it is important to truly understand "their" position, walk a mile in their shoes so to speak.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Where have you seen an analysis of the way that Christianity actually uses the symbols of the tribe, absorbing them, and replaces them with its own doctrine over a period of generations?


Hello, ever heard seen a christmas tree? Or a cross? How about a church steeple? Ever hear of Amen or Sunday? (Amen is egyptian, Sunday is for the sun god). Not to mention that many churches are literally built on top of older religious sites.

The greatest proof of the OP's post is America today. Christianity has been turned from a religion of peace and humility, to an evil Empire.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:33 AM
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Christianity has outlasted all known empires combined. The catholic church can document and trace its origins to Jesus directly.

It is ignorant to say that it is a fairy tale, when Jesus has shaped the history of the world as we know it.

Jesus would rather of died than harm another person. You cannot kill in Jesus' name period. Whoever hijacks and commits crimes in His name will pay in the end.

Regardless of what he calls himself.

This is the example He left us.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 03:56 AM
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Originally posted by jem504Blah blah blah. And the crusades were carried out in Jesus's name, therefore the whole of Christianity is just a sham? The Bible gets used not as a tool for teaching tolerance and love, but used as a tool to instill fear. Things get distorted for agendas. That's happened throughout history. Ezpz common sense to anyone trying to hold dominion over people. Obviously a 27 year old would have enough reasoning capabilities to see that and not jump to such a ridiculous conclusion as the one you have.

That's like having someone slaughter 20 people for no reason, they then claim to be a Christian, and you say, "Wow, that Christian just killed 20 people for no reason. F uck Christianity."


You Christians are much too angry. This seems to be a result of the psychological repression your religion has subjected you to. Very unhealthy.

I am not claiming that Christianity is bad because some person claiming to be a Christian did something bad. I think you should read the article before commenting.


Also kinda seems like you're just deliberately basing that on vague, subjective research.
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I was told (as an insult) "you have no experience", and responded by stating that I have in fact had first hand experience of what Christian missionaries do to tribal people. I was not asked to describe my research, nor do you appear to have read the websites on which I describe it. I am presently working on a new website, designed specifically to document my experience with the tribal peoples here in South Philippines.

What I have seen, clearly, is that once Christianity is introduced, and the foundations of the society is removed, the society collapses completely. The economics that are necessarily brought in with the churches break the people even further, causing massive poverty. This is happening all over the world, and it isn't really a secret. That wasn't even the purpose of this thread, which was to discuss the psychological impact of removing the hero and replacing him with a guy who was tortured and murdered as a means to aid submission of the native population.

If you respond in the future, please try to be less rude and confrontational, as I don't find that helpful. I am a supporter of free speech, so I am not one to report rude posts, but I really have no interest in being insulted and attacked simply for trying to share some ideas that interest me.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:00 AM
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Originally posted by MagnumOpusThat appears close, and the issue was that the Western Roman Empire, aka Rome, was failing because it could not sustain all the wars. Plus, they messed themselves up with lead poisoning that led to a good bit of insanity. The Eastern Romans wanted a religion concept that shunned wars, promoted peace via submission and passivity on everything, and spoke to letting god handle everything. This was the period that the Eastern Roman Empire, The Byzantine Empire, came into prominence and lasted some 800 years, making it the longest lasting Empire.

The problem was that they blended in so much of the Pagan Babylon methods into Christianity that it was easy for Christianity to be more Pagan Babylon imagery than the Eseene methods of Socialistic living. The Church wanted to promote Empire, which the whole Essene Message didn't support well. At the same time they wanted a revised god that wasn't so intent on wars and the submissive and passive methods from Jesus were so attractive toward their goals for power and control and ending resistance toward them. That was basically mass mind control using religion and the methods for psychiolgocal warfare today based upon corrupting the concepts for good and bad.

So, what we have left today is a Pariah like mess from those old attempts at changing religion and telling half-truths. What was left was easily abducted and used by the Royalist's Banking types, as the churches sought wealth and control and were in mutial support of Empire. And each supported Corporation methods to gain greater wealth and fuel industrial might war machines to attain even more power and control. Most call that The Beast.

In large part it is all about Psychological Warfare methods to hide the Jesus and Essene pious truths and put up the false front of the same old games for war and power and control over others used in Pagan Babylon. That old game was what ruined Rome, and that same game is about to ruin the US for following the same stupidity. So, now the Evil Reigns as Good Men do Nothing and don't learn from the real history of religion how to avoid disaster.


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Yes, I would basically agree.

As far as the ruling class, they have evolved an economy based on war, while also devolving the population into one that doesn't have any will to fight anymore. It was a sort of suicide, brought on by a refusal to see the bigger picture.

But at least we can count on China to pick up the pieces.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Klassified
Wow. You really hit a nerve with this one OP.

I was a fundamentalist christian for nearly 30 years of my life, unfortunately. However, it has had its advantages after the fact to be sure.

Having met many missionaries in my life, I can tell you that most have no ill will toward the people they are trying to "help". Most are just operating on instinct and indoctrination. But yes, there are those missionaries that are completely aware of what they are doing, and these are the ones usually in charge of missions. Make no mistake. There are those in the church heirarchy that can act as good as any actor in Hollywood. It's only when the mask comes off behind closed doors that you see the true person.
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Yeah, that is what it was like with the old priest who sexed all the children.

But as he came there when he was only 22-years-old, it is difficult to imagine that he actually had a plan to sex all the children at that time. Most likely, he was genuine in his belief, and after seeing that he had given his entire life simply to destroy an entire people, he said "f--- it" and just started sexing the girls and didn't care anymore.

Still, whatever their motivations, I do not believe a missionary has ever helped anyone. Maybe done some favors, but the overwhelming nature of the agenda of missionaries is simply evil. Their whole purpose is to destroy cultures and societies and overwrite them with their own bizarre agenda.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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You have stated more than once you are not an Atheist. Your target is Christianity and the Western World it would seem.

It might be easier to discuss knowing where you are coming from. You are "not an atheist" correct? That means you do believe in God, correct? Do you belong to a religion and which one?


I don't see how the content of the OP can be made "easier to discuss" based on information about me personally. It seems like what you are getting at is that I would be easier to attack personally if more information about my personal life was given, as you are having difficulty dealing with the content of the post itself. As I don't really have any desire to discuss my personal life here in this thread, I think we should focus instead on the ideas that I am presenting.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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Originally posted by xacto
reply to post by andreoutlaw
 


I think that one of the major issues pertaining to traditional religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the sense of some type of seal of debt upon humanity. The notion that you enter this body as "wicked" essentially ascribes us as fallen Angels. I don't know about you, but I do not stand for the fully heinous thought forms individuals throughout the world have asserted via their supposed religious "understanding." Hell on Earth has been active for some time and years and years ago manifested itself as the supposed absolute 'judgements' and 'beliefs' of these religions through their human hosts. In fact, I BELIEVE that most people's beliefs and understanding coming from religion is a tongue twisting field of nonsense meant to break people's Ego down so that they may be better manipulated by "God" or in other words, anything (be it two dimensional entities, or higher level entities, and everything else wiggling through this multiverse). When i see the extreme hatred for other humans, when I see the lack of revolutionary spirit against what obviously oppresses us, when I see condemning judgement for the most frivilous of reason, I question who really pulls those people's strings.

Not to say good things, as well as useless, and everything in between haven't come from people and their religious ties, but I do know great, GREAT negativity has been spawned by people and their religiously influenced lives. I mean come on eternal damnation, we're all wicked, hatred and wickedness because of what stupid reasons?

Jesus, it's like a angry little 10 year old from the dark ages is messing with everyone.



Christianity, and the whole concept of "god as angry father figure" is designed to support the state, which was in turn designed to support the economic system. The whole purpose is to manipulate people spiritually in order that they may be controlled. Religion is the door into all of this other madness that exists on the planet right now, because without it, people never would have given up their traditions and left their lives in the natural world.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:34 AM
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Originally posted by Wonders
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I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.


Yes, this is what they did to literally everyone in the world. They were very insistent on getting a hold of the Children. It is what they are still doing in the Philippines. They tell the parents not to bother, that they are interested in their children, because they "have things to teach them" in their brainwashing centers (schools).

I am sorry your people lost their heritage, but this is something that has happened to literally all of us, save the few "primitive" people that still exist on the planet. It seems as though you are somewhat upset with your ancestors, which I guess I can understand, but this is a technique that these Christians use which they have worked out over such a long period of time that it is now scientific, in that it will work on the majority of the people all the time. I would hope that you, being able to see what has happened, would have a desire to get back what your people had stolen from them by this Christian system of dominance. It isn't their fault, and it is only now that we have the capacity to see all of this for what it is, and make the decision to stand against it.

I would like to help any way I can.



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Originally posted by randomnameJesus has shaped the history of the world as we know it.


/thread



posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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Originally posted by taccj9903

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
[size=100]Christianity as Psychological Warfare, Part One: Jesus Was Weak


The effect and purpose of the behavior is the same: people are conquered and subjected to the agendas of the rich and powerful.


The rest is here:

realitysituation.com...

It really is a horrible thing, this whole situation of spreading the "faith" across the whole planet, exterminating cultures and societies and sucking them into the slave system of economics. .
edit on 20-2-2012 by andreoutlaw because: formatting


I can understand why you are making these claims; however, I just don't see Christian Missionaries having this agenda. Most missionaries that I've met or heard about live simple lives giving up most of the materialism they had or were subjected to back in the "world." They do what they do because of their beliefs and their love for their God. I just don't believe their is some agenda behind it all other than trying to save people.

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posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 05:23 AM
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judaism is warfare not christianity.




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