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Originally posted by xacto
reply to post by andreoutlaw
I think that one of the major issues pertaining to traditional religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the sense of some type of seal of debt upon humanity. The notion that you enter this body as "wicked" essentially ascribes us as fallen Angels. I don't know about you, but I do not stand for the fully heinous thought forms individuals throughout the world have asserted via their supposed religious "understanding." Hell on Earth has been active for some time and years and years ago manifested itself as the supposed absolute 'judgements' and 'beliefs' of these religions through their human hosts. In fact, I BELIEVE that most people's beliefs and understanding coming from religion is a tongue twisting field of nonsense meant to break people's Ego down so that they may be better manipulated by "God" or in other words, anything (be it two dimensional entities, or higher level entities, and everything else wiggling through this multiverse). When i see the extreme hatred for other humans, when I see the lack of revolutionary spirit against what obviously oppresses us, when I see condemning judgement for the most frivilous of reason, I question who really pulls those people's strings.
Not to say good things, as well as useless, and everything in between haven't come from people and their religious ties, but I do know great, GREAT negativity has been spawned by people and their religiously influenced lives. I mean come on eternal damnation, we're all wicked, hatred and wickedness because of what stupid reasons?
Jesus, it's like a angry little 10 year old from the dark ages is messing with everyone.
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by xacto
Your whole post is a gross misrepresentation of Christianity. On purpose right? Either that or you have no knowledge on the topic?
You understand that saying you are Christian is not the same as being Christian, correct? You certainly understand that the actions of individuals or groups that are contrary to Christ's teachings are not Christian acts and are the fault of the people involved and not Christians?
If an Atheist does something wrong, are all Atheists guilty? Under your premise, yes they are. So if an Atheist commits say a murder, all Atheists are murderers, correct? Same logic and same argument.edit on 2/20/2012 by Blaine91555 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Wonders
reply to post by taccj9903
I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.
Originally posted by andreoutlaw
Have you ever been a Christian yourself?
I was raised vaguely Christian, but no, not really. It has always just seemed stupid and weird, the whole concept.
It is designed to make people weak. I am working on the one about "sin" now, which I think is definitely worse than the weak Christ concept on which it is based. Well, I guess they are based on each other. It is all just sick and evil, the whole scam.
Where have you seen an analysis of the way that Christianity actually uses the symbols of the tribe, absorbing them, and replaces them with its own doctrine over a period of generations?
Originally posted by jem504Blah blah blah. And the crusades were carried out in Jesus's name, therefore the whole of Christianity is just a sham? The Bible gets used not as a tool for teaching tolerance and love, but used as a tool to instill fear. Things get distorted for agendas. That's happened throughout history. Ezpz common sense to anyone trying to hold dominion over people. Obviously a 27 year old would have enough reasoning capabilities to see that and not jump to such a ridiculous conclusion as the one you have.
That's like having someone slaughter 20 people for no reason, they then claim to be a Christian, and you say, "Wow, that Christian just killed 20 people for no reason. F uck Christianity."
Also kinda seems like you're just deliberately basing that on vague, subjective research.edit on 20-2-2012 by jem504 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MagnumOpusThat appears close, and the issue was that the Western Roman Empire, aka Rome, was failing because it could not sustain all the wars. Plus, they messed themselves up with lead poisoning that led to a good bit of insanity. The Eastern Romans wanted a religion concept that shunned wars, promoted peace via submission and passivity on everything, and spoke to letting god handle everything. This was the period that the Eastern Roman Empire, The Byzantine Empire, came into prominence and lasted some 800 years, making it the longest lasting Empire.
The problem was that they blended in so much of the Pagan Babylon methods into Christianity that it was easy for Christianity to be more Pagan Babylon imagery than the Eseene methods of Socialistic living. The Church wanted to promote Empire, which the whole Essene Message didn't support well. At the same time they wanted a revised god that wasn't so intent on wars and the submissive and passive methods from Jesus were so attractive toward their goals for power and control and ending resistance toward them. That was basically mass mind control using religion and the methods for psychiolgocal warfare today based upon corrupting the concepts for good and bad.
So, what we have left today is a Pariah like mess from those old attempts at changing religion and telling half-truths. What was left was easily abducted and used by the Royalist's Banking types, as the churches sought wealth and control and were in mutial support of Empire. And each supported Corporation methods to gain greater wealth and fuel industrial might war machines to attain even more power and control. Most call that The Beast.
In large part it is all about Psychological Warfare methods to hide the Jesus and Essene pious truths and put up the false front of the same old games for war and power and control over others used in Pagan Babylon. That old game was what ruined Rome, and that same game is about to ruin the US for following the same stupidity. So, now the Evil Reigns as Good Men do Nothing and don't learn from the real history of religion how to avoid disaster.
edit on 20-2-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Evil reigns when Good Men do nothing---not even thinking and searching for truth
Originally posted by Klassified
Wow. You really hit a nerve with this one OP.
I was a fundamentalist christian for nearly 30 years of my life, unfortunately. However, it has had its advantages after the fact to be sure.
Having met many missionaries in my life, I can tell you that most have no ill will toward the people they are trying to "help". Most are just operating on instinct and indoctrination. But yes, there are those missionaries that are completely aware of what they are doing, and these are the ones usually in charge of missions. Make no mistake. There are those in the church heirarchy that can act as good as any actor in Hollywood. It's only when the mask comes off behind closed doors that you see the true person.edit on 2/20/2012 by Klassified because: correction
Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by andreoutlaw
You have stated more than once you are not an Atheist. Your target is Christianity and the Western World it would seem.
It might be easier to discuss knowing where you are coming from. You are "not an atheist" correct? That means you do believe in God, correct? Do you belong to a religion and which one?
Originally posted by xacto
reply to post by andreoutlaw
I think that one of the major issues pertaining to traditional religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the sense of some type of seal of debt upon humanity. The notion that you enter this body as "wicked" essentially ascribes us as fallen Angels. I don't know about you, but I do not stand for the fully heinous thought forms individuals throughout the world have asserted via their supposed religious "understanding." Hell on Earth has been active for some time and years and years ago manifested itself as the supposed absolute 'judgements' and 'beliefs' of these religions through their human hosts. In fact, I BELIEVE that most people's beliefs and understanding coming from religion is a tongue twisting field of nonsense meant to break people's Ego down so that they may be better manipulated by "God" or in other words, anything (be it two dimensional entities, or higher level entities, and everything else wiggling through this multiverse). When i see the extreme hatred for other humans, when I see the lack of revolutionary spirit against what obviously oppresses us, when I see condemning judgement for the most frivilous of reason, I question who really pulls those people's strings.
Not to say good things, as well as useless, and everything in between haven't come from people and their religious ties, but I do know great, GREAT negativity has been spawned by people and their religiously influenced lives. I mean come on eternal damnation, we're all wicked, hatred and wickedness because of what stupid reasons?
Jesus, it's like a angry little 10 year old from the dark ages is messing with everyone.
Originally posted by Wonders
reply to post by taccj9903
I disagree. I am what is called "Native American", meaning Alaska didn't become a state until my dad was a small child..which..in the scheme of things, isn't very long ago. The way "our people" got assimilated into the American culture is by "missionaries" coming and taking my GRANDMOTHER away from her parents, into a boarding school where she was corporally punished just for speaking in a language other than English. Of course that isn't the full extent of indoctrination but it's a start, a testimony of the convoluted ways of the pharisees and saduccees of this age. For the record, my parents were also corporally punished for speaking in our "Native" tongue. I myself have not bothered to learn the ways of those who willingly gave up their heritage, those who have not bothered to teach me to communicate in their language, in my opinion, their way has already been dead these many years as I am grateful to be able to communicate with today's people, to learn what I can about the past, present and future.
Originally posted by randomnameJesus has shaped the history of the world as we know it.
Originally posted by taccj9903
Originally posted by andreoutlaw
[size=100]Christianity as Psychological Warfare, Part One: Jesus Was Weak
The effect and purpose of the behavior is the same: people are conquered and subjected to the agendas of the rich and powerful.
The rest is here:
realitysituation.com...
It really is a horrible thing, this whole situation of spreading the "faith" across the whole planet, exterminating cultures and societies and sucking them into the slave system of economics. .edit on 20-2-2012 by andreoutlaw because: formatting
I can understand why you are making these claims; however, I just don't see Christian Missionaries having this agenda. Most missionaries that I've met or heard about live simple lives giving up most of the materialism they had or were subjected to back in the "world." They do what they do because of their beliefs and their love for their God. I just don't believe their is some agenda behind it all other than trying to save people.