Christianity as Psychological Warfare

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
I want these organizations out of the third world completely.

So then when people die off without the aid of what the west send to help ... the malaria vaccinations, malaria tent netting, etc etc ... will you be complaining that the west does nothing to help people?

These people have lived for tens of thousands of years with out your condescending "aid" programs.

Sounds like you are kinda 'sour grapes' about them needing help.
Pride getting in the way of accepting food and medicine and clothing that is very much needed.

I want all these organizations and corporations to pack up their crap and go home.

Then you condemn people, that you claim to care about, to miserable (and preventable) deaths.

Those charities are all scams. Every single one of them.

My neighbor and his wife were part of the Peace Corps in Africa. They helped the locals to dig a much needed well. That well water actually saved lives. It improved their living. You said the West hasn't helped not a single person. I totally disagree. The facts say otherwise.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by harryhaller
No they didn't write the bible, jews (mostly) write the bible.

It was the Catholic Church who put it together. It recognized and determined the canon of the New and Old Testaments in A.D. 382 at the synod of Rome, under Pope Damasus I. This decision was ratified again at the councils of Hippo (393) and Carthage (397 and 419).

Or you can wallow in your ignorance some more.

Since I'm not ignorant on this subject ... YOU can wallow in your ignorance or get educated.
The choice is yours ... Stay indoctrinated with anti-Catholic nonsense or learn some facts.
Read - Where we got the bible: Our debt to the Catholic Church - by Henry G. Graham

You can quote books i'll never read until you're blue. You can insult me until you're blue. It doesn't change the fact that the RC church is in fact the anti church, and it's leader the antichrist.

That the priests believe they can absolve men, when Jesus stated very clearly that no man was above another, well it doesn't get any more blatant than that. Changing "holy days" is against the bible:

And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Daniel 7:25

The same councils you quoted were guilty of acting against the word of God. Directly.

Add to that the RC churches involvement in everything evil for the last 1500 years and more, from the crusades to the inquisition to the current paedophile problem we're having, they say one thing and do the other.

Or are you going to try convince us it's just a few bad apples? Like the US military i guess?

PS: I'm a heretic, it means i choose to think for myself and NOT bow down to the animal in charge, like all the other patsies in the world, Bush, Chavez, Putin, the queen, etc.

Isn't it funny that all the "enemies of the world" stand in line to kiss the poep's ring?

Btw, found anything on horus worshipping priests yet?

A few thoughts on submission and the political design of Christian Religion:

I would suggest that the real theme of Jesus has become increasingly suppressed in order to basically insert all the religion themes of Old Babylon and the laws seen on the Stone of Hamurrabi. Religion is about subversion to gain political control and that control leads back to the old Babylon type control and that religion method for tyranny. They especially support the methods of Usury to control money, gain wealth and power to dominate any countries politics.

So, what is seen is Christmas is really Nimrod's Birth Day. The issue of the Trinity is basically derived from Nimrod, Simaramis, and Tammus. They attempt to make Jesus as a god, in the same way that Nimrod tried to become god. What that causes is huge divisions, as the Islams call Jesus as a Prophet, not as God. Those going overboard in making Jesus as God get called "Infidels" (those that don't know God). And the laws of the US are based upon the Stone of Hamurrabit concepts, so the US gets called the "Great Satan" (Opposed to the real concept for God--which is what Jesus called the Pharisee).

Then as we come into the times of the Babylon Talmud, those concepts also adopted the Babylon views of religions, and they did not and would not endose the more pious values of the Essene or Jesus. Now, we have the corruption of religion where attempts are made to created Judeo-Christians, when the whole preachings on the Bible Narratives were all about how the Old Testament concepts of the intolerant warlike god of the old was replaced with the loving and benevolent God of the New Testament. Christian religion gives slight lip service to this concept, but then inserts the ideals of Babylon Religion at every turn they can manage.

At each turn the intelligence and pro-active part of man to participate in Government and getting things going toward benovolent God issues is bypassed by Pray and god will handle it for you. Or the submission to the lies as being controlled by the church political affiliation. The US Churches are and the US Political system run under the concepts of the Babylon tyranny methods that are considered Evil and making man as god. And the political Zionist's concept follow the same party line, which isn't telling the real issues of the Essene or Jesus.

Thus, the end point of the Christian religion has become the White Washing of the Essene and Jesus values into those of the old Pagan tyranny methods from Nimrod's Babylon goals and Jesus painted as Nimrod playing god. And every Christian is told to be submissive to that subversion design and become controlled by the corrupted Church and never have free thought or independent thinking.

Does that addess your theme in some respects?


Thus, the bottom line then becomes that the Christian Church has been subverted from the values of the Essene and Jesus into following the pagan elements of the Babylon system of tyranny and basically we have a bunch of Christians sitting on their hands doing nothing but worpshiping of the concepts of Satan, for the largest part, and this whole politically contrived mess has the US taken over from within by evil designs invented back in pagan Babylon.

Originally posted by harryhaller
You can quote books i'll never read until you're blue.

Ahhh .. then you have chosen to remain ignorant of the facts. Like I said .. your choice.
It's too bad that the anti-Catholic venom dripping from your fangs has clouded your judgement.

Originally posted by harryhaller
You can insult me until you're blue.

I used YOUR words back at you. YOU insulted. You reaped what you had sewn.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
The US Churches are and the US Political system run under the concepts of the Babylon tyranny methods that are considered Evil and making man as god.

I have definately seen that ... not a total takeover ... but definately at least elements of it.
Making men into little Gods. I'm not thinking that is a US thing ... but a world wide thing.
It hasn't taken over the churches ... but there are threads of it being cultivated that are pretty obvious ...

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
I want these organizations out of the third world completely.

So then when people die off without the aid of what the west send to help ... the malaria vaccinations, malaria tent netting, etc etc ... will you be complaining that the west does nothing to help people?

These people have lived for tens of thousands of years with out your condescending "aid" programs.

Sounds like you are kinda 'sour grapes' about them needing help.
Pride getting in the way of accepting food and medicine and clothing that is very much needed.

I want all these organizations and corporations to pack up their crap and go home.

Then you condemn people, that you claim to care about, to miserable (and preventable) deaths.

Those charities are all scams. Every single one of them.

My neighbor and his wife were part of the Peace Corps in Africa. They helped the locals to dig a much needed well. That well water actually saved lives. It improved their living. You said the West hasn't helped not a single person. I totally disagree. The facts say otherwise.

Yeah, you're right. That well makes up for all of the guns shipped in to the country by western nations, easily. Nevermind the diamond industry, and the deforestation, and the poisoning of the environment by multinational corporations, and the propping up of shill governments that enslave the people while giving corporations and western military interests free reign to do whatever they want - none of that is really an issue anyway, just incidental really - what Africa needs is more white people to dig them wells. Did you know that before white people started going to Africa, there was no source of water in Africa, and people had to drink their own urine? Endless war and mass extermination by diseases caused by poverty are a small price to pay for some wells.

The point there being that if the powers of empire had never interfered with these people in the first place, there would be no crises to go in and fake like they are solving.

Obviously.

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It might have a larger presence than most admit. Consider the symbolism for Easter appears to be largely based upon the theme of the Istar Egg from Babylon's Semaramis and Tammus. Even the Easter Bunny comes from Babylon's Pagan religion issues connect with Tammus and all that symbolism is tossed into the Holy Day of Easter as being associated with Jesus.

Islam's message appears to be a more pious view of the Essene and Jesus than that of the Church of Rome, with the Catholic issues is trying to make Jesus into yet one more chance to toss in Babylon's Trinity and Jesus into god. Islam bans usury and the Jesus issues on the Money Changers seems to be largely about that issue of the 2nd temple Bablyon Tamudists called the Pharisee.

Even when one gets into the issues of the Church and Communism, one again finds the Communist factions often limit the church because of this need to the church to sponsor the Babylon Talmud methods and their games for usury and that big banking game being the finance system for corporations and the issues of ownership of resources. Greed and Control are part of the Evil in the Churches. Communism is the net effort to limit this ownship issue that over time sets up the wealth and power to overcome the local political system. In many ways, the issues of Communism are more about respect for Jesus, as both sought to limit the power of money to overcome the ideals of benolence toward all. The Essene and Jesus were more Socilistic in design, and the church really doesn't want to the masses to comprehind that fact.

These days, the allegorical imagery for the Beast is akin to the Corporation and their banker funders, where both are interested in ownership and control of wealth for their exploitation and control over others. Even the whole design of Communism stems from the Jewish religion due to Karl Marx being Jewish and in Germany in this period, the elements for extreme Capitalism vs Socialism were at issue in the some locality. The issues of Royalism's wealth and the issues of the Essene's Socilism are both issues from the Jewish Narratives of the Bible. The extremes of capitalism due to the Rothschilds banking games for the Royalists were the root of the wars in Europe. And the extremes of corporatism became the IG Farben methods of Germany that became Hitler's Fascist Right Hand in WWII, though Hitler began as a Socialist Labor leader.

So, these evil designs are all around and fermenting the roots for wars over these same old differences between the Socilaistic Essene loving and benovolent God vs the Pharisee's Babylon Talmud worship of the Pagan Babylon methods of Fascist Capitalist banking and usury.

Originally posted by MagnumOpus
A few thoughts on submission and the political design of Christian Religion:

I would suggest that the real theme of Jesus has become increasingly suppressed in order to basically insert all the religion themes of Old Babylon and the laws seen on the Stone of Hamarrabi. Religion is about subversion to gain political control and that control leads back to the old Babylon type control and that religion method for tyranny. They especially support the methods of Usury to control money, gain wealth and power to dominate any countries politics.

So, what is seen is Christmas is really Nimrod's Birth Day. The issue of the Trinity is basically derived from Nimrod, Simaramis, and Tammus. They attempt to make Jesus as a god, in the same way that Nimrod tried to become god. What that causes is huge divisions, as the Islams call Jesus as a Prophet, not as God. Those going overboard in making Jesus as God get called "Infadels" (those that don't know God). And the laws of the US are based upon the Stone of Hamurrabit concepts, so the US gets called the "Great Satan" (Opposed to the real concept for God--which is what Jesus called the Pharisee).

Then as we come into the times of the Babylon Talmud, those concepts also adopted the Babylon views of religions, and they did not and would not endose the more pious values of the Essene or Jesus. Now, we have the corruption of religion where attempts are made to created Judeo-Christians, when the whole preachings on the Bible Narratives were all about how the Old Testament concepts of the intolerant warlike god of the old was replaced with the loving and benevolent God of the New Testament. Christian religion gives slight lip service to this concept, but then inserts the ideals of Babylon Religion at every turn they can manage.

At each turn the intelligence and pro-active part of man to participate in Government and getting things going toward benovolent God issues is bypassed by Pray and god will handle it for you. Or the submission to the lies as being controlled by the church political affiliation. The US Churches are and the US Political system run under the concepts of the Babylon tyranny methods that are considered Evil and making man as god. And the political Zionist's concept follow the same party line, which isn't telling the real issues of the Essene or Jesus.

Thus, the end point of the Christian religion has become the white wash of the Essene and Jesus values into those of the old Pagan tyranny methods from Nimrod's Babylon goals and Jesus painted as Nimrod playing god. And every Christian is told to be submissive to that subversion design and become controlled by the corrupted Church and never have free thought or independent thinking.

Does that addess your theme in some respects?


Thus, the bottom line then becomes that the Christian Church has been subverted from the values of the Essene and Jesus into following the pagan elements of the Babylon system of tyranny and basically we have a bunch of Christians sitting on their hands doing nothing but worpshiping of the concepts of Satan, for the largest part, and this whole politically contrived mess has the US taken over from within by evil designs invented back in pagan Babylon.

edit on 20-2-2012 by MagnumOpus because: The Church as a ground of political control and subversion

All that is basically accurate, historically (as far as we know - history obviously isn't a science), but I am not sure it directly relates to what I am saying, exactly.

What I see as having taken place was that the Romans saw the Christians, who were a rebel sect who didn't fight anyone violently, and decided that this would be a good concept to incorporate into their own state religion. They of course kept all the elements of the old religion that worked, but removed the various warrior gods, and replaced them all with the image of Christ, the murdered god.

I mean, we have to ask why they even chose to integrate Christianity at all into the state system, and it seems rather obvious that this concept of non-resistance was very attractive to the ruling class.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw

What I see as having taken place was that the Romans saw the Christians, who were a rebel sect who didn't fight anyone violently, and decided that this would be a good concept to incorporate into their own state religion. They of course kept all the elements of the old religion that worked, but removed the various warrior gods, and replaced them all with the image of Christ, the murdered god.

I mean, we have to ask why they even chose to integrate Christianity at all into the state system, and it seems rather obvious that this concept of non-resistance was very attractive to the ruling class.

That appears close, and the issue was that the Western Roman Empire, aka Rome, was failing because it could not sustain all the wars. Plus, they messed themselves up with lead poisoning that led to a good bit of insanity. The Eastern Romans wanted a religion concept that shunned wars, promoted peace via submission and passivity on everything, and spoke to letting god handle everything. This was the period that the Eastern Roman Empire, The Byzantine Empire, came into prominence and lasted some 800 years, making it the longest lasting Empire.

The problem was that they blended in so much of the Pagan Babylon methods into Christianity that it was easy for Christianity to be more Pagan Babylon imagery than the Eseene methods of Socialistic living. The Church wanted to promote Empire, which the whole Essene Message didn't support well. At the same time they wanted a revised god that wasn't so intent on wars and the submissive and passive methods from Jesus were so attractive toward their goals for power and control and ending resistance toward them. That was basically mass mind control using religion and the methods for psychiolgocal warfare today based upon corrupting the concepts for good and bad.

So, what we have left today is a Pariah like mess from those old attempts at changing religion and telling half-truths. What was left was easily abducted and used by the Royalist's Banking types, as the churches sought wealth and control and were in mutial support of Empire. And each supported Corporation methods to gain greater wealth and fuel industrial might war machines to attain even more power and control. Most call that The Beast.

In large part it is all about Psychological Warfare methods to hide the Jesus and Essene pious truths and put up the false front of the same old games for war and power and control over others used in Pagan Babylon. That old game was what ruined Rome, and that same game is about to ruin the US for following the same stupidity. So, now the Evil Reigns as Good Men do Nothing and don't learn from the real history of religion how to avoid disaster.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Isn't it funny that all the "enemies of the world" stand in line to kiss the poep's ring?

Well, I don't see the Native Americans going around riffing on Christianity...in fact, they are just as spiritual as Christians here in America, and we're the ones who brought it to them.

Sounds like you have a bit of difficulty swallowing your history, so you feel driven to tear down the regime that resulted in such loss, even though the people now alive and religious in your country have nothing to do with what their ancestors did.

Blame the parent, kill the child.

Good luck with that.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw

Originally posted by Domo1
Ugh dude. Write something yourself. Also, Jesus allowing himself to be tortured to death was kind of a big point. To me you sound like yet another atheist, hell bent on insulting a group of people that believe in something you have no knowledge of. It may seem cool to be an atheist, but if you're going to do it at least try to pretend you're over 15 and have some life experience.

-I'm 27, and much of this is based on personal experience with tribal people who have been destroyed by missionaries, here in Asia

Blah blah blah. And the crusades were carried out in Jesus's name, therefore the whole of Christianity is just a sham? The Bible gets used not as a tool for teaching tolerance and love, but used as a tool to instill fear. Things get distorted for agendas. That's happened throughout history. Ezpz common sense to anyone trying to hold dominion over people. Obviously a 27 year old would have enough reasoning capabilities to see that and not jump to such a ridiculous conclusion as the one you have.

That's like having someone slaughter 20 people for no reason, they then claim to be a Christian, and you say, "Wow, that Christian just killed 20 people for no reason. F uck Christianity."

Also kinda seems like you're just deliberately basing that on vague, subjective research.

Originally posted by andreoutlaw
It really is a horrible thing, this whole situation of spreading the "faith" across the whole planet, exterminating cultures and societies and sucking them into the slave system of economics. All in the name of this Jesus fellow, who couldn't even manage to keep from getting tortured to death.

edit on 20-2-2012 by andreoutlaw because: formatting

Methinks your angst is founded on economic illiteracy rather than anything to do with Christianity or it's missionaries.

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-I'm 27, and much of this is based on personal experience with tribal people who have been destroyed by missionaries, here in Asia

Okay, I am putting off unloading the firewood in my truck for one more post.

I was raised a Catholic and attended Catholic school all my life (keep reading, about to make a hard left here) and this made me wonder why they wanted me to do as they said, not as they did. A friend got me interested in history through WWII and I naturally extended my interest to the history of the Catholic church. Then to other religions.

Christianity, if you take a good look at history, is one of the worst frauds in human history. It was hijacked from it's original intention through the introduction of the Canonical Bible in the fifth century. Shortly thereafter the Holy Roman Church (?) began to exterminate those with differing views of history and burned all the books they didn't like or want around anymore or had excluded during Biblical editing job that was performed. This purge of the heretics lasted for centuries and was conducted all over the then known world.

Nothing is perfect and neither was this purge. There are some books from that period which still exist today, though they are rare and hard to find. However, according to the International bestseller;

Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh, and Henry Lincoln these few books and some of the existent Jewish writings from that period say that a double was used in place of Christ for the actually Crucifixion and that Jesus then retired to Syria and died an old man of natural causes. Jim Marrs tends to corroborate this in his book Rule By Secrecy, an excellent book for anyone that wants to know the who and why of the powers that be.

It is also said that his teaching were much different than the message of the Bible, as evidenced by what we know of the Cathars in the South of France Albigensian Crusade and the Essenes.

Since the time the Crusades ended the Catholic Church has been guilty of acting more like a political power structure not a religious movement dedicated to spiritual advancement of the individual. Meh! Now this is not to say that there are not any good Catholics or Christian, because there are many, but where the Vatican is concerned it is all about the money and power.

And since the Council of Nicaea and the subsequent Ecumenical Councils which ultimately produced the Bible were attended by what can easily be seen as three sects of Catholicism - no Essenes, no Cathars, nor anyone else - The Bible that ALL Christians look to was of Catholic origin. The rest of the Christian religions are what Monty Python referred to in "Th Life Of Brian" as splitters. All the existent Christian religions splintered off of Catholicism. Therefore when I meet a fundamentalist Christian who insists on giving me the good news, I know that I have someone in front of me who has no idea of the history of their movement, and I ask them if they are Catholic?

"No" is always the response. To which I inquire why they are running around selling Catholic books all day. They usually look at me as if there were lobsters crawling out of my ears, but it gets them off my porch and I hurt their feelings less.

I have to recall the line from Ferris Bueller's day off and second it. "In my opinion 'isms are not good."

So I looked elsewhere, and guess where my spiritual heart landed? In Asia. Tibet to be precise. The Buddhists and the Taoist seem to me to be the most genuine of the religions. Reading the Upanishads seemed to make everything fall in place for me.

I recommend it to everyone that is of the mind to listen, but I don't stand on peoples porch to find them.

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Blah blah blah. And the crusades were carried out in Jesus's name, therefore the whole of Christianity is just a sham?

Why do new posters always exhibit such intolerance? You know this will wear off. I was the same way at first so I am not singling you out by any means. But I am just wondering why?

See my post up-thread for the answer to this question.

Wow. You really hit a nerve with this one OP.

I was a fundamentalist christian for nearly 30 years of my life, unfortunately. However, it has had its advantages after the fact to be sure.

Having met many missionaries in my life, I can tell you that most have no ill will toward the people they are trying to "help". Most are just operating on instinct and indoctrination. But yes, there are those missionaries that are completely aware of what they are doing, and these are the ones usually in charge of missions. Make no mistake. There are those in the church heirarchy that can act as good as any actor in Hollywood. It's only when the mask comes off behind closed doors that you see the true person.

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I'd like you to please recognise the difference between followers of the Bible and Jesus, and the Roman Catholic church.

I believe I lined that out two post earlier.

2nd. but before I saw this post.

Originally posted by Ittabena
And since the Council of Nicaea and the subsequent Ecumenical Councils which ultimately produced the Bible were attended by what can easily be seen as three sects of Catholicism - no Essenes, no Cathars, nor anyone else - The Bible that ALL Christians look to was of Catholic origin. The rest of the Christian religions are what Monty Python referred to in "Th Life Of Brian" as splitters. All the existent Christian religions splintered off of Catholicism. Therefore when I meet a fundamentalist Christian who insists on giving me the good news, I know that I have someone in front of me who has no idea of the history of their movement, and I ask them if they are Catholic?

"No" is always the response. To which I inquire why they are running around selling Catholic books all day. They usually look at me as if there were lobsters crawling out of my ears, but it gets them off my porch and I hurt their feelings less.

That's very dishonest. There are letters/literature written far before the Council of Nicea that mention most of the books used in modern Christian canon; and the Catholic canon is actually quite different than the East or Protestant Bibles.

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You have stated more than once you are not an Atheist. Your target is Christianity and the Western World it would seem.

It might be easier to discuss knowing where you are coming from. You are "not an atheist" correct? That means you do believe in God, correct? Do you belong to a religion and which one?

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I think that one of the major issues pertaining to traditional religions such as Christianity, Judaism, and Islam is the sense of some type of seal of debt upon humanity. The notion that you enter this body as "wicked" essentially ascribes us as fallen Angels. I don't know about you, but I do not stand for the fully heinous thought forms individuals throughout the world have asserted via their supposed religious "understanding." Hell on Earth has been active for some time and years and years ago manifested itself as the supposed absolute 'judgements' and 'beliefs' of these religions through their human hosts. In fact, I BELIEVE that most people's beliefs and understanding coming from religion is a tongue twisting field of nonsense meant to break people's Ego down so that they may be better manipulated by "God" or in other words, anything (be it two dimensional entities, or higher level entities, and everything else wiggling through this multiverse). When i see the extreme hatred for other humans, when I see the lack of revolutionary spirit against what obviously oppresses us, when I see condemning judgement for the most frivilous of reason, I question who really pulls those people's strings.

Not to say good things, as well as useless, and everything in between haven't come from people and their religious ties, but I do know great, GREAT negativity has been spawned by people and their religiously influenced lives. I mean come on eternal damnation, we're all wicked, hatred and wickedness because of what stupid reasons?

Jesus, it's like a angry little 10 year old from the dark ages is messing with everyone.