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84% of illegal foreclosures? You have to be kidding me. How does something like this not make top NEWS?
....needs to lose his job, along with all these other crooks who are taking peoples houses away...
You are looking at this the wrong way, it is not about the borrower getting away with not paying, it is about the banks destroying the ownership chain of custody through massive fraud. That potentially effects anyone that wants to purchase property, not just the borrowers.
My friend has a morgage with Bank of America, who BTW refuses CASH payments for morgages
Later over drinks my lawyer told me BoA is on its death throws like Lehman was in 2008, toxic morgages and failing economy is killing it. The stock is in the below 30 dollar range (my estimate last I checked) and falling
I shall tell you factually, on the part of the majority it was a premeditated scam predicated by and on those participating in the ‘team’ as I was told in my initial training, to convince thousands to buy, sell, buy, sell, buy, sell so the 'team' could make millions.
Houses which had been constructed in the late eighties and early 90s and sold new originally for $150 / 160k were ‘being sold’ for $250k, and ‘being sold’ btw is the operative term for what I suggest was the scam created by the realtors, appraisers, mortgage companies....
Now the second lie, “and since you’re new here in Arizona, let me tell you about the market and how almost everyone out here buys, sells and moves every two years. Take a look at these figures and let me show you how in two years, based on the past five years of real estate history, you can make more than $50, maybe a $100k by buying this house for $225k.”
These mortgages were sold to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other investors. Although we did not underwrite these mortgages, Citi did rep and warrant to the investors that the mortgages were underwritten to Citi credit guidelines.
In mid-2006 I discovered that over 60% of these mortgages purchased and sold were defective. Because Citi had given reps and warrants to the investors that the mortgages were not defective, the investors could force Citi to repurchase many billions of dollars of these defective assets. This situation represented a large potential risk to the shareholders of Citigroup.
I started issuing warnings in June of 2006 and attempted to get management to address these critical risk issues. These warnings continued through 2007 and went to all levels of the Consumer Lending Group.
We continued to purchase and sell to investors even larger volumes of mortgages through 2007. And defective mortgages increased during 2007 to over 80% of production.
"I walk into Brooksley's office one day; the blood has drained from her face," says Michael Greenberger, a former top official at the CFTC who worked closely with Born. "She's hanging up the telephone; she says to me: 'That was [former Assistant Treasury Secretary] Larry Summers. He says, "You're going to cause the worst financial crisis since the end of World War II."... [He says he has] 13 bankers in his office who informed him of this. Stop, right away. No more.'"
ya know, I've heard reports where the people told the truth about their income, and well, were encourged to sign the papers before all the details were in the paperwork, and low and behold!! when all was said and done, they had way more income than they had reported!!!
These mortgages were sold to Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and other investors. Although we did not underwrite these mortgages, Citi did rep and warrant to the investors that the mortgages were underwritten to Citi credit guidelines.
The Big Bankers own our government.
Yeah, there is a name for this criminal act: Mortgage fraud. If you lie on your credit application, and inflate your income, you have defrauded the lender.
Top Areas for Mortgage Fraud
■Analysis of available law enforcement and industry resources indicates that the top ten mortgage fraud areas are California, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, New York, Ohio, Texas, and Utah. Other areas significantly affected by mortgage fraud include Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina, Tennessee, and Virginia.
■There is a strong correlation between mortgage fraud and loans which result in default and foreclosure.
Emerging Schemes
■Recent statistics suggest that escalating foreclosures provide criminals with the opportunity to exploit and defraud vulnerable homeowners seeking financial guidance.
■Perpetrators are exploiting the home equity line of credit (HELOC) application process to conduct mortgage fraud, check fraud, and potentially money laundering-related activity.
you attempt to blame the wrong person
please do some reasurch, when you do you will find an FBI document that says 60% of new morgages were fraudulent and it was lender based fraud
See the refutation above. Lenders were defrauded. In 2006, per the FBI, the fraud being perpetrated at the time was coming from borrowers, mortgage brokers, and crooked appraisers -- not banks. Here's a prophetic statement from 2004:
the lenders were insulated from the damage of fraudulent loans perpertrated by the lenders....
how on earth can you say that it was borrower fraud?
the lender was not going to lose money no matter what happened.
this is a simple lesson on fractional reserve banking i suggest you watch it.
if the agents originating the loans KNEW they were fraudulent, then you have motive bonuses, finacial gain
are you an aplogist for the bankers?
As we detailed in our series the Wall Street Money Machine, Rekeda was involved in the creation of several CDOs with Magnetar, a hedge fund that helped put together more than $40 billion of the securities. Magnetar often lobbied for riskier assets to be put into the CDOs and then placed bets against many of the investments, reaping tremendous profits when the deals soured. (Magnetar has never been charged with any wrongdoing, and has always maintained that it did not have a strategy to bet against the housing market.) The investigation into Rekeda is one of the few public signs that regulators are considering charges against a top banking executive involved in a Magnetar deal.
Yeah, there is a name for this criminal act: Mortgage fraud. If you lie on your credit application, and inflate your income, you have defrauded the lender.
now do you explain the fact that houses are being sent to foreclosure while arranging loan modifycation?
the "credit contraction" that caused some of the smaller bank failures was caused because the larger banks could get deposit with the fed at rates higher than their borrowing costs
MBS pool (emails show the people selling this stuff called them #ty investments) fake ratings on subprimes as AAA MERS ROBOSIGNING (fraudulently prepairing documents to perpertrate fraud in court to gain tittle) SEC filings
HOW THE #$*% can you say BLAME THE BORROWER?
sounds to me like the banks WANTED more risky investments,
but it wasn't the borrowing that lied, it was the originator of the loan....
Originally posted by dawnstar
reply to post by CookieMonster09
First, lenders are not required to modify anything. The contract stands on its own two feet. It is purely at the discretion of the lender as to whether they want to modify the loan or not. In many cases, the borrower has proven that they cannot make timely payments due to credit problems, unemployment issues, or medical problems.
are you sure about that, or did the "lender" give up all say in the matter when they sliced and diced all those mortgages and then bundled them up and sold them to a multiple of investors...
maybe the one that is servicing the loan can determine it, but, I seem to recall that one of the problems in the beginning was that the servicer's hand were rather tied in the matter...I may be wrong but do seem to remember something to that line and it might be coming from the time when we had a refi, and was just asking them to do away with the early payment penalty.. so well, if we ever get our jobs stabilized, we'll try it again, but we are kind of stuck at the moment...since both me and my husband seem to spend about half the year working part time at our jobs due to lack of work...
and well, MERS isn't a problem?? really??
I kind of think MERS decimated the property rights in this country!! While if circumvented the laws within many communities that required the tranfer of title and note to be recorded on the local level!! it managed to avoid paying millions of dollars in fees for that transfer, and we wonder why our local gov'ts are in such a mess!! and since they didn't record the transfer anywhere buy some computer database, well, there is no easy way to validate the chain! thus placing everyone's ownership of the home in question!!!
yes all us subprimers were liers!!!
got a question for ya....
does this look like a subprime home to you???
money.cnn.com...
ya, when the rich walk away from their debt obligations, it's a strategic default, but when the normal people do, we cause world wide economic collapse with billions in bailout money necessary to keep the economy on life-support!!!
and got to tell ya something, as one of those subprimers....
we verified our income, honestly, and forthright....we didn't lie...although I think the originator of the loan lied to us, but that is another story....and we are still in our home, and still the bills are paid up, even with both of us working what seems to be close to a half a year part time!!!
I am serious, there's one person I was reading about when their final paperwork was delivered to him, he learned that he had a second job, making a nice sum of money at...he didn't lie, the originator of the loan did!! more money for him!!! the whole mess valued quantity over quality and rewarded people for the number of customers they could get through the door and offered little oversight as to the quality of the work that they were performing...so what do you expect....
but ya, the whole problem could have been avoided, if only the people hadn't lied about their incomes andkept paying on their loans, right!!!
all those people that went under did was open the can of worms and let us all see the mess that had been created!!!
people have had to be foreclosed on for ages, at least one other time in my lifetime in mass!! there was never any need to commit fraud through robosigning to get the people out of their homes, or people who's home was paid for being foreclosed on, or half the crap that has happened this time around!!!
that only happens when the wall street player's bet on weather we will or will not pay on our debt....
it only happens when our debt translates into big money for the few who know what game is being played and how to play it!!!
are you sure about that, or did the "lender" give up all say in the matter when they sliced and diced all those mortgages and then bundled them up and sold them to a multiple of investors...
and well, MERS isn't a problem?? really?? I kind of think MERS decimated the property rights in this country!!
and got to tell ya something, as one of those subprimers....
but ya, the whole problem could have been avoided, if only the people hadn't lied about their incomes
Oh, well at least you are honest enough to identify yourself truthfully.
Are you actually advocating and supporting the idea that people should lie on their mortgage loan applications? Are you telling me that you are publicly advocating mortgage fraud, a criminal offense, in a public forum no less?
Originally posted by XPLodER
Foreclosure abuse rampant across U.S., experts say
www.reuters.com
(visit the link for the full news article)
(Reuters) - A report this week showing rampant foreclosure abuse in San Francisco reflects similar levels of lender fraud and faulty documentation across the United States, say experts and officials who have done studies in other parts of the country.
The audit of almost 400 foreclosures in San Francisco found that 84 percent of them appeared to be illegal, according to the study released by the California city on Wednesday.
"The audit in San Francisco is the most detailed and comprehensive that has been done - but it's likely those numbers are comparable nationally," Diane Thompson,
hey, at least all of our bills are paid up!!! and......we didn't lie about our income.....or any other info we gave for the loan...
I might figure one good lie deserves another
just pointing out that in some cases it WASN'T the people lying, it was the originators of the loan adding income without them knowing, along with the appraiser,
the attorney gerneral of NY along with the attorney generals of many other states foresaw this problem before it blew up!! and they were trying to do something to prevent it...
blame the who were running the show on the federal level at the time!
by the way, I am pretty sure there isn't that many million dollar bonuses being handed out at my little local bank either!
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
hey, at least all of our bills are paid up!!! and......we didn't lie about our income.....or any other info we gave for the loan...
During the run-up to the mortgage crisis, a sub-prime borrower could fairly easily obtain a mortgage for a house they could never have afforded under traditional lending standards. The easiest way to do so was to inflate one's income on the mortgage loan application, and doctor one's tax returns. As a result, you had $10/hour hairdressers suddenly claiming to earn $120,000/year and obtaining credit approvals to purchase million dollar houses.
In a lot of cases, the lender didn't even require tax returns, or supporting information like W-2's to substantiate income.
Worse yet, in most cases, the lender did not even require a down payment. Lending guidelines such as these were very loose. It was a prime opportunity for speculators and criminals to take advantage of the banking system.
I might figure one good lie deserves another
Just because the mortgage broker and the appraiser are criminals, doesn't make it morally acceptable for the borrower to be a criminal as well. If my mortgage broker is committing fraud, then the morally correct action would be to cease doing business with them...immediately, and cancel the transaction. Not turn a blind eye.
just pointing out that in some cases it WASN'T the people lying, it was the originators of the loan adding income without them knowing, along with the appraiser,
Yes. It's called committing mortgage fraud. Sometimes it's the borrower. Sometimes it's the borrower in collusion with the mortgage broker and appraiser. Doesn't matter. Fraud is fraud. And, I just don't buy the argument that borrowers had no clue what was happening at the time. I mean, really? A $10/hour hairdresser can afford a $1MM mansion? Don't you think the hairdresser would think that is quite odd? No, they just "went along" with the fraud, and didn't say a word -- Heck, they now got to live in a mansion, so who wouldn't keep their mouth shut, right?
the attorney gerneral of NY along with the attorney generals of many other states foresaw this problem before it blew up!! and they were trying to do something to prevent it...
Spitzer, right? The radical leftist politician caught in the illegal practice of structuring his cash deposits so he could pay his prostitutes without being caught? Now, there's a winner, and certainly a reliable party, right?
blame the who were running the show on the federal level at the time!
So now rampant mortgage fraud is Bush's fault somehow? Huh? How about the American people take a good hard look in the mirror and take some responsibility for trying to take advantage of the loose lending criteria at the time?
by the way, I am pretty sure there isn't that many million dollar bonuses being handed out at my little local bank either!
No, the local community banks just give out "good-ol'-boy" loans showing favoritism to the friends and cronies of the Board of Directors at these same banks. That's how "community banks" operate.
And "community banks" are some of the worst offenders of loosey-goosey lending, as evidenced by the vast number of community banks that have failed in the past few years. Same with credit unions, who operate outside of the supervisory and regulatory climate to which traditional banks must adhere. Complain all you want about "big banks", but community banks and small credit unions are 10x worse because there is no oversight whatsoever.