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Spent shell caseing sent with new pistol

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 10:20 PM
It was used in a murder and you now have the evidence

posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 10:54 PM
Some have replied that it is a factory proof round, this is not true. There are several sates that require the fired case to be turned into the state police or other designated agency. The FFL that recieves the handgun is supposeed to take the sealed package with the case in it and turn it in. Here the great gun hating state of new york that is the case. If a handgun comes in from out of state with no case the FFL has to take it to the state police and they fire two rounds and keep the cases. MD,MA and a few other states require the same thing. Normally these are left leaning states, not rying to bring politics into it but that is what it is.

So in fact they are using the cases to keep a database of new firearms. As someone else said pick up all of your brass.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 01:31 AM
The reason for including the spent casing is the law that requires it for forensic databases:

New York General Business Law § 396-ff(2) requires any firearms manufacturer that ships, transports or delivers a handgun to any person in New York to include a separate sealed container with a shell casing of a bullet or projectile discharged from the handgun, along with additional information that identifies the handgun and shell casing.
A state-licensed gunsmith or firearms dealer must, within ten days of delivering a handgun received on or after March 1, 2001, forward to the Division of State Police the sealed container enclosing the shell casing from the handgun. Section 396-ff(5). The state police must enter the pertinent ballistic information into an automated electronic databank (the “Combined Ballistic Identification System” or “CoBIS”) designed to ensure compatibility with national ballistic technology. Section 396-ff(6).
For detailed information on CoBIS, see N.Y. Comp. Codes R. & Regs. tit. 9, § 472.1 et seq.

Pursuant to Maryland Code Annotated, Public Safety § 5-131(b), any manufacturer that ships or transports a handgun to be sold, rented, or transferred in Maryland shall include in the box with the handgun, in a separate sealed container:

A shell casing of a projectile discharged from that handgun; and
Additional information that identifies the type of handgun and shell casing.

Upon receipt of a handgun from the manufacturer, a firearms dealer shall confirm with the Department of State Police ("DSP") that the manufacturer complied with the provisions of section 5-131(b). Section 5-131(c)(1). When the handgun is sold, rented, or transferred, the dealer shall forward the sealed container to the DSP crime laboratory. Section 5-131(c)(2). Once received, the DSP crime laboratory shall enter the information in all pertinent databases to assist in the tracing of guns that are later stolen or used in crimes. Section 5-131(d).

CoBIS / CBIS / MDBIS ("Combined Ballistic Identification System" - this isn't nationwide and participation is still voluntary in most states, except NY, MD, and CA.)

Q - What are the responsibilities of a licensed dealer in firearms upon receipt of pistols and revolver into inventory?

A - A dealer in firearms that receives a new pistol or revolver from a manufacturer on or after March 1, 2001, shall upon receipt, ensure that the firearm is accompanied by a properly completed and sealed approved container enclosing a ballistic sample.

Q - What are a gun dealer's options if the manufacturer fails to ship a cartridge casing with a pistol or revolver?
A - A licensed dealer in firearms has two choices in such cases. Within 10 days of receipt of the firearm he or she can either:

Send the gun back to the manufacturer (or distributor or importer) and inform them of the obligation to provide a cartridge; or
Take the gun to a regional CoBIS Center operated by the State Police, where it will be test fired and the cartridges will be submitted directly to the CoBIS databank.

Q - When does a licensed dealer in firearms have to submit a cartridge supplied by a manufacturer, and to whom must it be sent?
A- Within 10 days after retail sale and delivery of the pistol or revolver, the licensed firearms dealer must send the cartridge casing along with the usual P-12 form to:

New York State Police CoBIS Center
Building 30, 1220 Washington Avenue
Albany, NY 12226-3000

CoBIS FAQS (Combined Ballistic Identification System)

There's a HUGE amount of misinformation out there, especially at the dealer level - the ONLY reason they are including one spent casing is strictly for these forensic databases - and NOT as "proof" the gun meets some sort of quality standard. This only started about 12 years ago. Prior to that I never saw spent casings left in a new firearm or for that matter one sold dirty from firing.

Now, not all manufacturers comply with the CoBIS requirement, which shifts the burden to the FFL dealer, who has to send the firearm to the nearest CoBIS center for ballistic firing. Including the shell(s) is one way to let the dealer know the gun has already been submitted to CoBIS. Under NY, MD, or CA law, if you buy a new firearm and the manufacturer does not submit it for ballistic sampling, you the owner are required to do that.

Once again, this had NOTHING to do with the gun manufacturer "test firing" a gun so you know it works. That warranty card is all you as a buyer would need to know that. Leaving a crusty dirty casing in a customer's nice new gun is not how you communicate to a customer that it works.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 02:39 AM
Thats for sure. You can generally tell if your weapon got test fired by looking at the bolt face, feed ramps, lands and grooves, and crown. The Smith and Wesson M-329 Airweight .44 comes with a satin stainless powder burnt cylinder that makes new ones look used, that's how S&W rolls the test fire.

Test firing doesn't do a whole lot of good, one round going bang when it's primer is struck doesn't test your weapons functionality. Test fires are best for repairs and warranty work to verify what the consumer's issue is. Anything that explodes in an enclosed space will still escape it via the path of least resistance. All you find out is that your firing pin or striker is working.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 07:30 PM

Originally posted by LonelyGuy
If I were you I'd take it back. Just to be on the safe side.

Yup,just take it back.

posted on Feb, 21 2012 @ 08:31 PM
That'll be the day. I don't think any FFL in their right mind would allow returns on a firearm, especially gun show merchants. That's like asking to take home the FFL's range rental guns to bring back later. Firearms are inherently non-returnable.

posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:24 PM
It's normal, my Christmas present came with one.
It's for a few reasons.
Proof that the gun is functioning, they also record the bullet print in a federal database.
The only way around that now a days is a custom gun, or change out the barrel.
They also take a photo of the shell from different angles.

It can't 100% identify a gun, but it can narrow down a gun as well as eliminate a gun entirely.

The government watches everything we do now a days.

posted on Feb, 24 2012 @ 05:28 PM
The bullet is from a test firing. The bullet was fired into ballistic gel and sent for forensic analysis to be put on a database. It makes sure the gun works and also makes a record of the bullet in case the gun is used in a crime.

posted on Jul, 14 2013 @ 06:18 PM
the particular model will have it's own pattern, but by no means will different guns from the same model have an individual "fingerprint".

rub a couple braincells together.... good lord.

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