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Could this kick off WWIII?

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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This seems like the kind of thing that could be used to justify attacking Iran. What do you guys think?

Iran Oil Ministry: Exports cut to Britain, France


TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran has halted oil shipments to Britain and France, the Oil Ministry said Sunday, in an apparent pre-emptive blow against the European Union after the bloc imposed sanctions on Iran's crucial fuel exports.

The EU imposed tough sanctions against Iran last month, which included a freeze of the country's central bank assets and an oil embargo set to begin in July. Iran's Oil Minister Rostam Qassemi had warned earlier this month that Tehran could cut off oil exports to "hostile" European nations. The 27-nation EU accounts for about 18 percent of Iran's oil exports.

"Crude oil exports to British and French companies have been halted," Oil Ministry spokesman Ali Reza Nikzad-Rahbar said on the ministry's shana.ir website. "We have our own customers and have no problem to sell and export our crude oil to new customers."




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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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I can't believe that Iran has the guts to do this. Good on them. Everyone was prepared for a summer sanction, but, Iran switched to the offense and did it for them.
I guess we'll see if the EU was prepared for this or not. I don't think this will make the war come any sooner than Israel wants it though.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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Ummmm NO. The EU was going to cut off Iranian oil anyway and Iran knew it so they just did it first. A spark for WWIII? This? Notta.

Didnt you see that Iran is about to come to the negotiating table? As long as all the idiots think this thing can be resolved peacefully and it they can keep Israel on a string then WWIII wont be happening anytime this week or next month despite all the fearmongering/warmongerin crap you see on ATS from all the 14 year olds how dont know how the world works.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 02:38 PM
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Like the sanctions nothing will come to a screeching halt i dont think....rather the pinch will be felt as incrementally raised pump prices and perhaps waits at filling pumps but thats down the road....winter heating oil hopefully, will be in less demand before supplies dwindle and new suppliers come on stream...(it all is very ponderous these machinations of this magnitude....
How quickly and how much prices rise depends on what the traffic will bear i suppose, and the oil barons will be salivating right about now with intense profit expectations dancing in their heads.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 05:40 PM
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love it when members play Moderator


Iran is running with the Big Dogs, what did the world think would happen
next move, Iran has to piss off the Saudis then the closure of the strait will happen which will kick off the fire works
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:32 PM
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Yah me too!


They have no reason to close the strait now. If they have a self-imposed oil embargo, India, Pakistan, China and the like will benefit. While the US, EU will sink faster than they already are. It is kind of funny really. Iran catches the eye of the US, makes some noise and boasts, causes the US and the EU billions of dollars in costs to "police" Iran. When are the governments going to wake up and realize that the empire is crumbling! Love it.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:01 PM
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For starters you and 90% of people on here don't even realize the game that Russia and America have been playing all along, you talk about empires crumbling and other such nonsense.

For the last 70 years the USA and Russia have been having these "stand offs" all over the world and never gone to war with each other, but after every single standoff either side respectively benefits massively, when we have these proxy conflicts we pick up lucrative weapons contracts all over the world, which ever at the time is Good Cop or Bad cop doesn't even matter all dummies pick sides and talk about WW3 without ever stopping to realize which ever side your on the Good Cop and the Bad Cop are both still Cops so to speak

The whole world splits between US and Russia and suffers and spends money on us, so Israel buys junk from US and Iran buys it from Russia and when the dust settles both sides loose and the USA and Russia both win.

Who benefits the most if the whole region goes up in flames when China and India need oil?

America has more shale than Iran and Saudia Arabia put together Oil is flowing like water from Russia, so if a few nukes are loosed in the straights of Hormuz even if the drama allows for the sinking of (a very replaceable Carrier battle group) who wins big, who makes a ton of oil, who has all the oil? Particularly if Venezuela is dumb enough to get involved and give the US cause to take them out omg

Us and Russia

Every scenario is a win win for us and Russia has been since the end of WW2

Good cop bad cop, we just get to be bad cop for a time right now, Iran doesn't even matter neither does Israel, when they Nuke each other we will control the pipe to India and China or some council will, that council made of the same five UN security council members as always with Maybe India having a say

It's a coincidence that Russia, China, England, America and France are all moving respectively to socialist/capitalist systems that are nearly identical? We are really enemies because we say so at silly UN arguments after which our diplomats all go out for drinks together in Manhattan?

What's the NWO but the UN security council lol, these arguments and votes are real right? It never occurred to any of those five nations after WW2 that collectively they ruled the entire world ESPECIALLY if they played divide and conquer?

There will be no war between us and Russia, the American economy isn't permanently screwed, it's all a game and both Israel and Iran are sacrificial lambs for our profit

LOL how you people eat this nonsense up, we have 20 years oil reserves, plus we haven't tapped a damned bit of our actual Oil in places like Alaska, God knows what Canada and the Arctic circle can provide plus more shale than Iran and the Saudis combined

Ever stop and think we have been bleeding their supply dry for decades on purpose?

Your anti American rhetoric is ridiculous, us and Russia in the end are on the same side we both have goals currently one of them we share is controlling the flow of oil, what better way to split that profit than close the straights of Hormuz in blood and depleted uranium and radiation and mines, if we fight it means nothing, just another moment in which we "were at the brink" and in that little conflict the world again chooses who to buy weapons from for the next decade... more money

Like there is some "shortage of oil" in America and Russia lol, Nope the world will buy it from us, we have plenty, plenty, plenty.

Divide and conquer, eliminate the competition, America is an exporter of Oil, we are in a long slow process of eliminating OUR need for it anyway, little by little hybrid cars etc, while China and India are 40 years away from that conversion with 1.2 and 1.5 people that want to drive respectively

will 17 Trillion in debt matter when us and Russia are done controlling this game?

Nope


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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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For starters you and 90% of people on here don't even realize the game that Russia and America have been playing all along, you talk about empires crumbling and other such nonsense.


You have no idea what myself and 90% of people on here do or do not realize, all you have is your assumptions based on your opinions (which are based on your knowledge). To pretend you know all the facts when clearly no one does is very arrogant. US is crumbling. Don't misunderstand that. But that isn't the topic at hand.




For the last 70 years the USA and Russia have been having these "stand offs" all over the world and never gone to war with each other, but after every single standoff either side respectively benefits massively, when we have these proxy conflicts we pick up lucrative weapons contracts all over the world, which ever at the time is Good Cop or Bad cop doesn't even matter all dummies pick sides and talk about WW3 without ever stopping to realize which ever side your on the Good Cop and the Bad Cop are both still Cops so to speak


Agreed.




The whole world splits between US and Russia and suffers and spends money on us, so Israel buys junk from US and Iran buys it from Russia and when the dust settles both sides loose and the USA and Russia both win.

I think you are forgetting China, which is way more powerful than either Russia or USA.




Who benefits the most if the whole region goes up in flames when China and India need oil?

Saudi Arabia or Canada, most certainly not the US.




America has more shale than Iran and Saudia Arabia put together Oil is flowing like water from Russia, so if a few nukes are loosed in the straights of Hormuz even if the drama allows for the sinking of (a very replaceable Carrier battle group) who wins big, who makes a ton of oil, who has all the oil? Particularly if Venezuela is dumb enough to get involved and give the US cause to take them out omg

America? As in North America? Than you are wrong. If you were just saying USA, then you are even more wrong. Russia has nowhere near the amount of Saudi Arabia or even Iran. I think maybe you should check this out before you spout your opinion as fact.


I will skip the rest as they are related to what I just wrote, you need to do some homework.




LOL how you people eat this nonsense up, we have 20 years oil reserves, plus we haven't tapped a damned bit of our actual Oil in places like Alaska, God knows what Canada and the Arctic circle can provide plus more shale than Iran and the Saudis combined


Again, check out the link I gave you above, I am starting to feel sorry for you now.





Your anti American rhetoric is ridiculous, us and Russia in the end are on the same side we both have goals currently one of them we share is controlling the flow of oil, what better way to split that profit than close the straights of Hormuz in blood and depleted uranium and radiation and mines, if we fight it means nothing, just another moment in which we "were at the brink" and in that little conflict the world again chooses who to buy weapons from for the next decade... more money


Anti-American? How? I am calling it as I see it. The death throes of a once great, dying nation.




Divide and conquer, eliminate the competition, America is an exporter of Oil, we are in a long slow process of eliminating OUR need for it anyway, little by little hybrid cars etc, while China and India are 40 years away from that conversion with 1.2 and 1.5 people that want to drive respectively


Homework people. Homework. Before you spout off of course. What do you mean exporter of oil? This? Not quite the same as the major exporters that are way ahead of the US.




will 17 Trillion in debt matter when us and Russia are done controlling this game?


Yup. If you are lucky to be only 17 Trillion in debt.
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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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What did the russians get out of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya? Nothing and that is exactly what the USA has in Iran. Now Russia on the other hand and China do. Knock yourselves out over there. It may seem for the past decade you have annexed Iran but guess what? The big boys are right next to or behind the Iranians. Yous are sitting ducks over there.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:11 AM
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Saudi Arabia wont be exporting anything if the straights of Hormuz are gone, if there is war against Iran and it has no choice to get involved

And your wrong about oil volume and do my homework, America has tons of oil, like I said in shale alone we have more Oil than Saudi Arabia and Iran combined and that is a fact you can research in a moment it is very common knowledge

Now the extraction cost of Oil from Shale would leave it at around 7.00 - 8.00 a gallon at the pump sure, but that makes little difference if the middle Eastern oil fields are either run dry from over consumption or simply blown to smithereens does it.

Do you actually believe the US is moving to electric cars alternative fuels etc because we give a crap about green house gases? It's Amazing how naive we are

Bio diesel is also in the 5.50 -6.00 a gallon range by the time it reaches the pump...

But we happen on this continent to have half the worlds farmland don't we?

These are indisputable facts:

California/Oregon/Washington:

Nearly 11 billion barrels of undiscovered oil and 19 trillion cubic feet of undiscovered gas in the region may be recoverable using existing technology. Relatively large volumes of undiscovered oil may exist offshore central and southern California, due largely to the presence of Monterey-type strata, which are potential source and reservoir rocks.
Far larger reserves off the coast of California than we expected

Canada:

Although the IEA insists on Canada's Reserves as being listed as 178 billion barrels, many experts including CEO of Shell Canada, Clive Mather estimate it to actually be 2 Trillion barrels or more, essentially 8 times more than Saudi Arabia
Canada "might have 8x the oil of sudia arabia" hrrrrrmmmm

Lets see an interesting tidbit



audi government oil executive that the kingdom's crude oil reserves may have been overstated by as much as 300bn barrels – nearly 40%.
Not nearly as much oil as we had thought hrrrrmmm, can't ship a drop of it if war with Iran breaks out, neither could Iran come to think of it.

Shale: expensive to produce but what to you do when there is no other source?


even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia. ....


Hrrrrrrrm so Canada may have as much as 2 TRILLION Barrels under it and Colorado has 800 Billion Barrels of Shale JUST COLORADO that's 12x the amount of oil as Saudi Arabia

Now who's already been taken out in our gun sights? Iraq 163 Billion Barrels which what are we doing with DRAINING and we have control over the flow, Kuwait virtually a vassal state under our protection 121 Billion Barrels and who is siding with Iran and basically giving us the excuse to tackle Venezuela 391 Nillion Barrels

Iran, well it has only 101 Billion Barrels and is basically pumping it out to China and India

CAN YOU SEE THE BIG PICTURE YET?

We dealt with Lybia

European countries that import oil from Libya remained calm Thursday and held back from releasing emergency petroleum stocks to domestic consumers, even as it emerged that 75% of the North African country's oil production may have been cut


Let's again address US shale, the low estimate was 800 Billion


While oil shale is found in many places worldwide, by far the largest deposits in the world are found in the United States in the Green River Formation, which covers portions of Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming. Estimates of the oil resource in place within the Green River Formation range from 1.2 to 1.8 trillion barrels. Not all resources in place are recoverable; however, even a moderate estimate of 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from oil shale in the Green River Formation is three times greater than the proven oil reserves of Saudi Arabia. Present U.S. demand for petroleum products is about 20 million barrels per day. If oil shale could be used to meet a quarter of that demand, the estimated 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil from the Green River Formation would last for more than 400 years


That's at current rate of use, but will the united States, will WE need to spend nearly as much on oil as we do now over the next 20 years?


in the baseline forecast electric cars account for 64% of U.S. light(vehicle sales by 2030


In lass than 20 years 63% of us car sales will be electric huh? Guess WE son't actually have to pay that much at the pump while we hold as much as 3-4 Trillion Barrels of OIL, I wonder if we actually give a crap if that Oil will cost ASIA 8.00 a gallon at the pump?

What happened this year?

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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:30 AM
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U.S. exports of gasoline, diesel and other oil-based fuels are soaring, putting the nation on track to be a net exporter of petroleum products in 2011 for the first time in 62 years. A combination of booming demand from emerging markets and faltering domestic activity means the U.S. is exporting more fuel than it imports, upending the historical norm.


wha wha what? The USA is a net exporter of oil, how can that be? You just said we weren't

What else do we have?


Chevron on Tuesday estimated the 300-square-mile region where its test well sits could hold between 3 billion and 15 billion barrels of oil and natural gas liquids. The U.S. consumes roughly 5.7 billion barrels of crude-oil in a year.


None of this even begins to cover a simple fact, Biodiesel exists and we are the "bread basket of the world"

Am I the only one amused by "findings of oil in this hemisphere?

Did no one know there was maybe 2 Trillion barrels under Canada or that isn't even including US and Russias capacity to tap the arctic sea? Did we simply leave ourselves dependent on the middle East or have we been drinking their oil first?

Just face the facts

We are mean, we are smart and we will remain a super power for a long time to come, we have More Oil in shale than Saudia Arabia, Iran and Venezuela combined and Canada has 2 Trillion Barrels maybe more of the pure good crude

Do we need to care driving electric cars how much it costs, given the efficiency our cost to drive wont even increase no matter what it costs per gallon at the pump. 8.00 isn't a bg deal when your car only uses 2 Gallons, but China and India wont be there for many decades and yes this will slow THEIR economies while boosting ours

Our game plan is very obvious here, the reason for our wars is obvious

We win, we have "game over" in regards to oil, if you can't see it your blind



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:42 AM
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And I am NOT condoning or saying what we have done and are doing is MORAL

But it will be a victory, the worst war case scenario is, a limited Nuclear war between Iran and Israel that involves the Saudis and local oil states under attack by Iranian missile forces....

When Canada sits on Maybe 2 Trillion Gallons of crude and the USA has maybe as much as 1.8 trillion Barrels of Shale and the Mideast burns... How is that the loss of our Empire?

Even the war is just "speeding up" an eventual dominance of oil in this hemisphere, it doesn't have to happen, one way or another as thirsty for oil as Asia is, the Oil supply in the Mideast can never last, 101 Billion Barrels in Iran and 40% less than the Saudis actually thought they had supplying 1.2 Billion Indians to have cars and 1.5 Billion Chinese?

We were smart, we never tapped our oil, what we do have is pricey sure but when the oil everyone is using is gone it is all about US no matter what happens

America was in a depression in the late 20's too, a decade later we were a super power, don't be so Naive



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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Every scenario is a win win for us and Russia has been since the end of WW2


It won't be a win for the people fighting the war, or doesn't that matter?



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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US has TONS of oil!!!!!! But their plan is to drain the rest of the world of its oil first then become the worlds largest exporter all the while the US has gone green and doesnt need oil so it can just sit back and wreap MASSIVE profits of selling oil to other couontries who will still be HEAVILY dependent on it. Brilliant strategy.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:54 PM
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I didn't know about the US oil in shale, thanks for pointing that out for me.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 01:55 PM
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As pointed out to me, the US does have massive amounts of oil in shale (which is very expensive to take out) but the US is a far cry from being "green".



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 02:00 PM
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Nah. This war is a cup that just cannot be passed. Iran is locked in with their religious zealots who desperately want a war with Israel.

Israel is locked in on destroying what they see as a threat to their very existence as a people... sort of like a nuked-holocaust.

You don't have to like it. You don't have to take one side or the other. No matter, really. There will be a war. It is coming.



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