You're right, I didn't include my "all wise better study up" stuff because I didn't say it to you, colbe. And I figured you're following along...if we had to paste every post into a new post like an endless string of 'reply' emails it would be wasted bandwidth; we are asked to keep the quotes short here on ATS.
The only reason you know anything of "what Jesus Himself said" is because of the Roman Catholic Church.
Now, to address your quoted statement above,
that is incorrect.
I am looking for the words from the original tablets, the scrolls, the texts like Muhammed Ali found in that jar after 1600 years of being HIDDEN from us. Why did those Nag Hammadi texts get hidden? To save them from being BURNED.
Burned by whom? Oh, that's right ------- THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH.
Why are the Ancient writings of St Issa's life kept hidden and only allowed for view by the most advanced, trusted, and respected men? To save them from being corrupted and abused for power.
The Bible is a compilation of sketchy translations of documents from ancient languages, craftily put together to suit someone's agenda.
Those ancient, original documents are the source of all we know that Jesus "said". He didn't even write them himself, so right out of the gate we are looking at hearsay. But at least they are accounts, like expedition journals, that show how those who KNEW him felt about it, what they took away and absorbed as important and jotted down for future posterity and reference.
Add in the fact that the RCC clearly, and indisputably, adopted pagan rituals and festivals (to entice the people into attending because they enjoyed those feasts and rituals), and you have a completely 'constructed' and mandated social phenomenon. There were days when if anyone missed a service they were fined, or otherwise punished; ridiculed; mocked and ostracized. Similarly, there were "indulgences" -- if you slaved away for a while at the church garden or the cloister's construction, you got a few sins thrown out by the record-keeper. If your baby died before being Christened, they were sent to limbo; or alternatively, they were either Elect or Damned (as was everyone else), and one could get the monks to pray for the dead infant's deliverance from limbo by PAYING the priests. The more money you had, the longer they would pray....and therefore your baby had a better chance of being accepted into the bosom of grace. Isn't that handy?
That's your True church?
All right, guys, carry on. When God himself stands nose to nose with me and says "you have to become Catholic", then I'll have an answer. I'll be delighted to let you know, too!
Darcy Chagas (or whatever her name is)...Another lady having channeled messages, eh?
What happened to Mary Divine Mercy? She's too slow? Wrong message? Thought she was your main go-to gal, colbe.
Huh!...How quickly fickle hearts can move on, without so much as goodbye.
edit on 28-2-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)