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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Hi all, no idea if these are chemtrails, just noticed them moments ago looking out of my _

I live in the west of Ireland and we do have airplanes fly over us all the time, whatI found strange about these however is the criss cross they seem to do.

I went outside to have a look and there were no planes, however to the far right there was a plane but this was nowhere near these lines.

Dont forget to scroll along the image.

I took the photo with a Iphone 4.

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Plenty of planes flying over Ireland right now, here's a screenshot from a couple of minutes ago:



www.flightradar24.com...



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 06:57 AM
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Well it could be just the weather, but one hour since I took that photo the Sky has been replaced with thick heavy clouds.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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reply to post by bluloa
 


Yes, it is weather.

The conditions that make it possible for prevalent contrails to form usually mean that weather conditions are on the change.

Here....this may be a bit confusing at first, but with some study it becomes easier to interpret. It is just one example of a "North Atlantic Planning Chart", and it shows the sorts of "anchor points" that are used to define the North Atlantic Track (NAT) Routes, for the majority of air traffic between Europe and North America:




As you see, off the West coast of Ireland, there are many such "anchor" points (we refer to them as intersections.....in the old days...."waypoints" today, as they are primarily GPS-defined, now).

You see that whole slew of black triangles, that lie on the 15W meridian? All are identified by a five-letter name...this is how they are defined in aviation databases.

Anyway, not shown on that Aviation Chart are all the other various Airways....the routings that are assigned, and used, to get to those "anchor" points, to/from the various arrival/departure cites, per the airplane's flight plan.


For the UK and Ireland, there are Aeronautical Charts that show the layout of the High Altitude route system....called, ironically, "ATS" in Europe!



Here is a link to UPPER AIRSPACE CONTROL AREA AND UPPER ATS ROUTES (North Sheet)


And,

UPPER AIRSPACE CONTROL AREA AND UPPER ATS ROUTES (South Sheet)

(Sorry, it focuses more on the UK Isles....). The info is from this Source.


Not sure if I can find free online Aeronautical Charts further west of the British Isles as illustration....you can get them for free if you ask airline pilots, as they are discarded periodically because of revision cycles that replace older, outdated ones.

You may also purchase, online, any as well....if willing to shell out a few Pounds, Punts, or Euros
.....:

Aviation Megastore.com

Happy hunting (and learning).....



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Nothing strange about seeing the criss cross pattern. Happens all the time.





and even at night you can see them...



Enjoy the contrails...



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 04:37 PM
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Why is it always the same people saying the same thing over and over in chemtrail thread?

Don't you guys ever have anything better to do? Go outside once in awhile.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 04:44 PM
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The effect that you're talking about from the jet emissions wherein they wind up covering the entire sky could be 'global dimming.' Jet emissions are postulated to make a significant contribution to 'global dimming.'

www.wordiq.com...


Global dimming is a gradual reduction in the amount of sunlight reaching the Earth's surface since the 1950s.


Here's an interesting video on 'global dimming' from airlinestube giving the history of its' discovery and current situations:

www.airlinestube.com...

Thought to be partly responsible for creating drought conditions, the opportunity to test it came about in the aftermath of 911 when air traffic came to a standstill.

www.xiportal.com...


The results showed that in the three days after 9/11 that Global Dimming suddenly dropped. This proves that aeroplane contrails contribute greatly to Global Dimming.


'Global dimming' has catastrophic effects on climate, weather and human beings along with all other life on earth. This is actually beyond the effects of foul content within jet emissions and beyond the effects of additives to those emissions. The practice of creating artificial clouds from jet emissions affects everyone.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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Hang on a second....dear "luxordelphi"....

Do YOU live in Ireland? Have you ever BEEN to Ireland?

I have....I have been to Ireland.....I have Irish 'roots'....I've been to Shannon...to Glasgow (yeah, I know....it's Scotland)...I know.....but, there are SO MANY other cities on the Mainland of Europe...and to Asia....and to South America ...and to Hawai'i.....and to Alaska....and to Egypt....only places (so far) I have missed are the Arctic (all ice) and the Antarctic (welll a continent, much to be discovered, there.....I've not been to "EVERYWHERE" on the World?

But, I've seen a few places....Egypt was WAY cool!!!!!

How about you????


Try to get a bit of travel under your belt, then come on back to ATS.....mK?

OH!! I forgot to mention......Australia, in Sydney and Melbourne and Cairnes......wow! Only place, except for a brief visit, I have missed is Hong Kong and A part of coastal China. I have NO experience (yet) in Africa....except for Egypt, and tours on the NIle.....hope to some day.....there is SO MUCH to see!!!!.......

Oh and a few Mediterranean cruises too.....to Turkey, Greece, the Islands....to Italy and France the "South of France" (altthough I'd been to Paris}.....try to get out and explore......

(I can go on and on.....please, do NOT be a "typical American"....try to learn about the World, by traveling....please.....)

If only we could ALL have an "Antie Mame"!!!:



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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 05:23 PM
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That website allows you to identify what you are looking at, so when trails cross you can do this;



The text is just copied off the site and pasted into the images after checking the time, location and direction. You can also do a visual cross reference if you are familiar with aircraft;

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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Well it could be just the weather, but one hour since I took that photo the Sky has been replaced with thick heavy clouds.


Oh you mean it has returned to normal then! Scary isn't when you get to see that strange blue colour. Most odd. I think we had 32 wet days in December and 32 in January or it seems like it. It would take a week or more of blue skies for my land to dry out. Ain't going to happen.

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Why is it always the same people saying the same thing over and over in chemtrail thread?

Don't you guys ever have anything better to do? Go outside once in awhile.


I don't think you actually appreciate just how rare a blue sky and a chance to see the vapour trails is here on the West Coast of Ireland. We officially had 225 wet days last year, but it depends where you live.


The average number of wet days (days 1mm or more of rain) ranges from about 150 days a year along the east and south east coasts, to about 225 days a year in parts of the west.


Met Eireann

Where I am we totted it up to around 292 which is not surprising as the nearest weather station is about 22 miles from us in either direction and we take the brunt of the 'breeze' off the Atlantic. On the 70 or so dry days we would be lucky if we actually get 14 days total in the year with a full blue (as in not grey cloudy) sky. I am being serious. 'Tis a rare thing indeed here so it is.

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Ennis, Clare here. Noticed plenty of spraying today, but the afternoon with its stiff breezes
cleared away their muck and a deep blue beautiful sky was uncovered and remained for the
duration of the evening.
I did notice something strange today. As one particular trail was dissipating, the edge
of a nearby cloud started to string out towards the extending trail,
as if somehow feeding the trail. But the winds were too strong and all was soon blown
away. You'd think these goons would take a look at the local weather forecast before
just p*ssing away what you can be sure is taxpayers money.

Plenty of dull, non-descript, overcast and dreary days recently though. I regularly hear
a burst of planes flying over after 5 a.m. and I know we are in for a dull one!
Ireland Sleeps On though, when it comes to this whole nefarious issue.


You do try so awfully, awfully hard, birdman!



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:35 PM
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You do try so awfully, awfully hard, birdman!


I expect this was directed a'me.....com'on.....ye HAVE to speak in an Irish brogue......yah?

Look.....I'm of Irish stock....even if me borne in the States...I still ken me beginnings.......when I was in Shannon....I felt a presence, I must say.....in Shannon.....I think my ken are from there......I haven not felt so at 'ome an'where else.....


SO....look.....I grew up in the USA>...I speak "American English"....I type in "American" because that is what my keyboard offers. I SPEAK with an 'American' accent...though, I have an ear for other accents....I'm just not that good at it...

....POINT is......I have traveled 'round the World.....I am NOT a "typical American"......so, please don't sell me short. (Yeah.....it's an "Americanism"....."sell me short"....an idiom.....just do an Internet search on the phrase, and translate to your Iirish "English" for equivalents. I am not privy to ALL your slang....yet.....)

I am Irish....on me fathers' side....by me last name.......canna say more, just ken ye........

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by pshea38
 



You do try so awfully, awfully hard, birdman!


I expect this was directed a'me.....com'on.....ye HAVE to speak in an Irish brogue......yah?

Look.....I'm of Irish stock....even if me borne in the States...I still ken me beginnings.......when I was in Shannon....I felt a presence, I must say.....in Shannon.....I think my ken are from there......I haven not felt so at 'ome an'where else.....


SO....look.....I grew up in the USA>...I speak "American English"....I type in "American" because that is what my keyboard offers. I SPEAK with an 'American' accent...though, I have an ear for other accents....I'm just not that good at it...

....POINT is......I have traveled 'round the World.....I am NOT a "typical American"......so, please don't sell me short. (Yeah.....it's an "Americanism"....."sell me short"....an idiom.....just do an Internet search on the phrase, and translate to your Iirish "English" for equivalents. I am not privy to ALL your slang....yet.....)

I am Irish....on me fathers' side....by me last name.......canna say more, just ken ye........

edit on Sun 19 February 2012 by ProudBird because: (no reason given)

Seems like you are searching/yearning for something bigbird! That or you are taking the p*ss.
What does it matter where you come from? You are who You are.

I wouldn't sell anyone short. You are clearly intelligent and probably decent
at heart. But by continually defending the indefensible, You pit Yourself against
decency and humanity.

La bra samhraidh a bhi ann. Bhi mise agus cailin ban ag marcaoicht sa
chuinne. Ansin, thanaigh me!

Something we can all relate to, I'm sure.
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by bluloa
 


Yes, it is weather.

The conditions that make it possible for prevalent contrails to form usually mean that weather conditions are on the change.

Here....this may be a bit confusing at first, but with some study it becomes easier to interpret. It is just one example of a "North Atlantic Planning Chart", and it shows the sorts of "anchor points" that are used to define the North Atlantic Track (NAT) Routes, for the majority of air traffic between Europe and North America:




As you see, off the West coast of Ireland, there are many such "anchor" points (we refer to them as intersections.....in the old days...."waypoints" today, as they are primarily GPS-defined, now).

You see that whole slew of black triangles, that lie on the 15W meridian? All are identified by a five-letter name...this is how they are defined in aviation databases.

Anyway, not shown on that Aviation Chart are all the other various Airways....the routings that are assigned, and used, to get to those "anchor" points, to/from the various arrival/departure cites, per the airplane's flight plan.


For the UK and Ireland, there are Aeronautical Charts that show the layout of the High Altitude route system....called, ironically, "ATS" in Europe!



Not sure if I can find free online Aeronautical Charts further west of the British Isles as illustration....you can get them for free if you ask airline pilots, as they are discarded periodically because of revision cycles that replace older, outdated ones.

You may also purchase, online, any as well....if willing to shell out a few Pounds, Punts, or Euros
.....:

Aviation Megastore.com

Happy hunting (and learning).....



It does not matter if the conspiracy is proven by now it is well over twelve years into the program and they have probably accomplished what they have intended. They needed the dog imperalist to make sure that none of us smarters would have done anything (Bush) with the anti-constitutional laws he set up after the terrorist attacks, so now with Obama (or whoever) it is on cruise control.

I love chem-clouds because they put me in a calmer mood and I know that I am better than most people who are blind to what is going on, makes me feel special!
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:52 PM
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(I can go on and on.....please, do NOT be a "typical American"....try to learn about the World, by traveling....please.....)


I'm not sure what your chatty travelogue post has to do with global dimming. But I'll just go ahead with it anyway and try to bring you up to speed or at least point you in the direction of the topic in a horse to water kind of a way.

www.mendeley.com...

The radiative forcing due to a distinct pattern of persistent contrails that form into contrail-induced cirrus near and over the UK is investigated in detail for a single case study during March 2009.


The development of the contrail-induced cirrus is tracked using a number of high-resolution polar orbiting and lower-resolution geostationary satellite instruments and is found to persist for a period of around 18 h, and at its peak, it covers over 50,000 km2.


A single aircraft operating in conditions favorable for persistent contrail formation appears to exert a contrail-induced radiative forcing some 5000 times greater (in W m2 km1) than recent estimates of the average persistent contrail radiative forcing from the entire civil aviation fleet.


This study emphasizes the need to establish whether similar events are common or highly unusual for a confident assessment of the total climate effect of aviation to be made.


[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/6683108/Jet-contrails-above-Britain-can-block-sunshine-over-20000-square-miles.html[/u rl]

Vapour trails caused by jet aircraft over Britain can cause clouds covering 20,000 square miles, according to Met Office research, reducing sunshine by up to 10 per cent.


Analysis of contrails from one large military aircraft circling over the North Sea showed the creation of a thin layer of cloud that, at its peak, covered an area of more than 20,000 square miles.


Researchers had expected high-level winds to disperse its contrails but instead they appeared to attract more clouds that continued to grow as they were blown southwards until eventually they formed a hazy high-level blanket of cirrus cloud across southeast England.


So the effects of artificial clouds caused by jet emissions were grossly underestimated. And it's just one plane that did this. Global dimming is a real concern and I would think it would particularly concern those living in areas that see fewer clear days than cloudy days to begin with.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:35 AM
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exactly - and the answer to any one who says " i dont remember so many trails " or " it never used to look like that "

1 - the introduction of high bypass turbofan engines

2 - passenger numbers - as we are discissing ierland - dublin airport passenger numbers have more than quaroupled in a decade [ 2002 = 2 million , 2010 = 9 million ]



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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Originally posted by luxordelphi
...www.telegraph.co.uk...

Vapour trails caused by jet aircraft over Britain can cause clouds covering 20,000 square miles, according to Met Office research, reducing sunshine by up to 10 per cent.


Analysis of contrails from one large military aircraft circling over the North Sea showed the creation of a thin layer of cloud that, at its peak, covered an area of more than 20,000 square miles.


Researchers had expected high-level winds to disperse its contrails but instead they appeared to attract more clouds that continued to grow as they were blown southwards until eventually they formed a hazy high-level blanket of cirrus cloud across southeast England.


So the effects of artificial clouds caused by jet emissions were grossly underestimated. And it's just one plane that did this. Global dimming is a real concern and I would think it would particularly concern those living in areas that see fewer clear days than cloudy days to begin with.


Yes. Global dimming caused by a proliferation of persistent contrails is real.
Chemtrail debunkers have never said it is not real. Contrails can produce clouds, which in turn can be a cause of reduced solar radiation.

However, what does that have to do with the the chemtrailers claim that the trails we see are NOT contrails at all, but rather the deliberate spraying of chemicals from secret aircraft for nefarious purposes?



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdRock69
Why is it always the same people saying the same thing over and over in chemtrail thread?

Don't you guys ever have anything better to do? Go outside once in awhile.



Outside?

Hell no! I am too worried about all the terrible things floating around in the air. After a few weeks of reading chemtrail threads on this site, I may never go outside again!

You do know that "they" are "spraying" you right?



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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LOL!!


It does not matter if the conspiracy is proven by now it is well over twelve years into the program and they have probably accomplished what they have intended.


What "program"??

What "conspiracy"??

LOL.....this is hilarious....all this silly fussing about normal contrails.

So funny..........



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 03:18 PM
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However, what does that have to do with the the chemtrailers claim that the trails we see are NOT contrails at all, but rather the deliberate spraying of chemicals from secret aircraft for nefarious purposes?


My reply to ProudBird was in response to his/her statements:




Do YOU live in Ireland? Have you ever BEEN to Ireland?




Try to get a bit of travel under your belt, then come on back to ATS.....mK?




(I can go on and on.....please, do NOT be a "typical American"....try to learn about the World, by traveling....please.....)




If only we could ALL have an "Antie Mame"!!!:


and a clip from some movie I've never heard of.

He/she made these replies in reply to my post to the OP who had originally said:




Well it could be just the weather, but one hour since I took that photo the Sky has been replaced with thick heavy clouds.


and my response to that statement by the OP was




The effect that you're talking about from the jet emissions wherein they wind up covering the entire sky could be 'global dimming.' Jet emissions are postulated to make a significant contribution to 'global dimming.'


and I went on to quote www.mendeley.com...


A single aircraft operating in conditions favorable for persistent contrail formation appears to exert a contrail-induced radiative forcing some 5000 times greater (in W m2 km1) than recent estimates of the average persistent contrail radiative forcing from the entire civil aviation fleet.


in order to bring ProudBird back on topic because his response was unusual.

This study found that one jet caused 5000 times more radiative forcing than what they had previously estimated for the entire fleet. Which means that the global dimming contribution of jet emissions had been grossly underestimated.

So what does your question have to do with my post on global dimming and ProudBird's reply to it? Why are you defending his/her reply? Did I miss something redeeming or topical in it?





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