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Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:02 PM
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Originally posted by nobodysavedme


The people who keep them have a very small penis and keep a big nasty vicious dog to compensate.



Haha, that's not true in every case. As said before, our Pitbull X was a lovely dog. He never displayed agression to other dogs or people. That was because we trained him, spent time training him daily and ensured he had plenty of exercise, socialisation and attention.You can embrace ignorance or your can actually try to understand that the situation is more about nurture than nature and that any breed can be trained to be aggressive.




posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:03 PM
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reply to post by Lookingup
 


That was probably the most level headed post of all that was full of good information.

I think if a pit bull, or any other breed of dog for that matter, mauls anyone to death then the owner needs to be charged with involuntary manslaughter.




posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Nothing merits banned entire breeds and taking peoples pets away.

People get bit by dogs, its not the dogs fault its the owner, so... ban dog breeds.

People get hit by cars, its not the cars fault its the driver, so... ban car models?

You see, there is no logic in banning of a breed of dog. This is a wide swatch of a legislation that will unnecessarily affect a lot more people and will not fix anything, the people advocating this kind of "quick fix" type of crap are ignorant of any real problems and just looking for something to inflict hurt on.

In the end it doesn't matter what happens, until every human being on the planet becomes responsible and intelligent there will be no end to any this, dog bites, car crashes, murders or whatever. Banning dogs because people get bitten and then it being publicized like it was going out of style doesn't accomplish squat.

Some people don't want anything other than to hurt someone or something else in any way they can, these people are pathetic. Pit Bulls are largely subject to this kind of discrimination, it is a beautiful animal and a loyal breed of dog that doesn't deserve this kind of garbage. On the other hand it also doesn't deserve to be with people who will mistreat, neglect it or use it as a status symbol.

There is no answer to this that isn't within people, not the dog. The people are the root of the problem here, the dog is just a dog. You can't blame animals for things, they don't have human rights and they don't have the ability to think like we do, it is the owners responsibility (and he/she is at fault) for anything an animal under his care does.

About psychopathy: (The exception)

You have to accept that this condition exists in pretty much all things, people and animals, and it is not specific to any breed or species. Some animals and people truly cannot feel empathy and do not understand that killing other things is bad, animals especially do not have the mental ability to think about these things. They must be either taught rigidly or incarcerated.

Some animals are psychopathic just the same as humans, probably more so. So what? Ban animals all together? You realize banning a breed might set off a mass genocide of this animal, which is psychopathic in itself. Hate breeds hate.

Regardless, the majority of humans and the majority of dogs are not psychopathic and do not deserve to be generalized and treated as such. Many dogs will just simply kill a bird or squirrel when you tell them to, they do not understand the specifics of killing something, you have to teach them. They simply do not understand the world we have created around them, they have to be mentored and taught just like anything else.

There are remote islands where people exist that will kill outsiders on sight, that doesn't mean all Indonesian people are murderers. That means they have a different way of thinking.

If anything, we should take comfort in the fact that compassion seems to be an innate and reinforced trait in most civilized things (People/pets), in the western world that I have seen at least. So before anyone starts going around demonizing anything, they need to think long and hard about it instead of just jumping the gun and inflicting more harm than what they are trying to spite against.
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:05 PM
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Your links are coming to the photobucket main page, best to use ATS media page such as this.

All i had to put in was (pic]es4f40df70.JPG[/pic) , easy enough for even me!


Back to the original topic of "viscious breeds"
The pic is my boys room, he just left for the military.
Our last to leave the house and you can see that my "Fuzzy" child has some separation issues now.

He is half sharpei, a truly aggressive breed.
But look at the sad on his face, he knows a member of the pack is gone.
I have many wonderful stories about how my dogs helped me and the wife raise our pack, probably enough for a book.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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reply to post by nobodysavedme
 


Sure there are people like that, just a very small %. When you let your emotions get in the way, suddenly the world operates in black and white. This isn't reality. Reality works in shades of gray. When we start realizing this we can start to create reasonable policies. Not every pit is a monster, they are very loving and caring dogs, but they have to be raised properly. It starts with the owner, and it should end there. We start enacting policies that come down hard on owners of these dogs, that will send a message. You enact a policy banning them outright, and your headed down a slippery slope.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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Beautiful Rhodie!
It is a rhodie correct?
They are another nanny dog that had a bad rep YEARS ago.
One of my other picks if I had a choice.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Species that are violent and kill babies should be banned. That is common sense. Humans have killed a good number of babies. Therefore humans should be banned. Your logic fails.

There is an important notion in this world called personal responsibility. By holding people personally responsible for the actions of their property, like the actions of their bit bull, then this sort of thing can be minimized. In addition, if you don't like the results after that, then you can start an education campaign asking people to avoid pit bulls. You can start an ethical shopping program that does business only with people and companies that do not support the reproduction of pit bulls, and send your business to organizations that advocate for the spay/neutering of pit bulls.

All those are effective tactics that are moral and can work. But, don't tell me what I can and can't do with my own personal property. That is immoral of you, in addition to being ineffective compared to other ideas I've just mentioned. You have a one track mind and the only solution you can imagine is government solutions. How many times does the government have to fail before you finally get it? You're ways are lazy and immoral. If you don't want to campaign for something though the methods I've outlined, the power-thirsty power brokers you appeal to for help are not going to care enough to make a difference either.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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dog attacks have been on the decline since the 1970s as i have already stated with other links and out of couple of thousand bites only 200 fatalities in 30 years is hardly an epidemic yes dogs bite yes some dogs kill but only idiots leave children unattended with ANY animal all dogs bite and all dogs can kill children if left alone with them im glad i live out in the middle of nowhere so i dont have to deal with all of these people who think they are just destructive monsters and don't see a breed ban coming to my state any time soon (Montana)



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:12 PM
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pits are the rat race of all dogs.. sorry to say
I remember in the 80s here in NYC all the pit fights in parks ...
rumors of feeding them just gun powder to get them crazy and what not...
worth less breed of dogs

pits dont ever have a really species name and no red nose pit / brown / blue and pink nose pits don't even come close to a species name.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:14 PM
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I stated in at least 3 posts that a ban was not the answer.

Not sure why you are responding to me.

I say make the owners responsible for their dogs, since individual inspections or training would be insanely expensive go with the other approach, make them carry higher liability insurance and make the fines stiff along with criminal charges if the attack is severe.

The aggression has been bred into these dogs, it won't just go away because they get regular belly rubs.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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its all in how do was raised. my best friend had a female pit named raquel and she was a loving dog she watched over the girls chihuahua like he was her puppy. the dog played with the kids and we never had any trouble with her
unfortunately her owner had to give away raquels puppies and a week latter the old girl broken hearted walked out into traffic. she was raised in the house as one of the family. my other neighbor has a husky he keeps tied up outside 24 7 that dog has broke loose repetedly and chased children and went next door to old folks home and killed a bunch of cats seniors were feedding. its all how yiou treat an animal and where was baby that dog was able to get him because most new borns you are either holding or have in crib or bassinette right



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by AGWskeptic

They can't specify breed by AKC standards, so they lump the fighting breeds all together.

they want the public to know that the odds of a fighting breed injuring or killing you is higher than with other breeds.

You have to accept the fact that some animals are more dangerous than others, and some breeds of dog are more dangerous others.


Thats the long and short of it, indeed.

It's not just the random breeds breeds that were bred at least in the past "decades" if not centuries, it's specifically a fighting breed that is behind over 70% of all fatal USA dog attacks in 2011 at least.

(and some people will argue maybe some of those pit bulls are not 100% pure LOL, duh of course since Pit Bulls are a type not a kennel club standardized breed)

Anyways, regarding principle and societal morale, and all things HUMANE, why do AMERICANS and especially dense Urban Americans so popularly CHOOSE AS A PET, of all breeds, the one dog breed historically, genetically bred as a muscular jawed KILLING MACHINE fighter as a PET.

Could it be arrogance? Machismo? Attention/thrill-seeking behavior? Or compensation for small manhood?


Seriously, fact is, Pit Bulls are the most over-bred, misused and abused type of dogs in USA their numbers are now staggering and they over populate pounds and shelters across the country. Why are so many Americans getting, breeding PIT BULLS *then* abandoning them in record numbers, huh?




posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:24 PM
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Sorry I didn't really mean that to reply specifically to you. I was just reading your post and went off on a writing spree.

reply to post by ignant
 


Because a lot of people irresponsibly use the dog as a status symbol. Like a car or a pair of shoes, it's something they "own", not a living creature. It's sad, a lot of the dogs you hear about on the news more than likely come from these types of people.
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:25 PM
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Ok, I was with you somewhat until you mis-spoke about the Vegas tigers. That tiger was aware before he was that he was in medical distress, the tiger was trying to drag him to safety. Read the story below before commenting please.

www.people.com...

So my post isn't removed for off topic...

BAN PUPPY MILLS, not Pits
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Okay, I know I am late to this game and I am "new" here, but here is my experience. I have had dogs all my youth and into young adulthood. I had a Shepherd mix that was just an old country dog that wouldn't hurt a fly. He used to lie down in the yard and the kittens would attempt to nurse him and all Duke would do is lick them and look at them like they were nuts, and then go back to his siesta. He would share all the scraps with the cats, no questions asked, no growls. I could ride his back and he'd never so much as grimace. I also had a doberman that everyone was terrified of, but this dog wouldn't harm a soul either. He was such a gentle dog, he just loved chasing cars a little too much and that was his end. I have also known a cocker spaniel that was as mean as the days were long, and we used to dread walking past that house. The funny thing was, the owners knew their dog was aggressive to the schoolkids passing by and he never took the effort to build a fence or restrain the dog further than a jerry rigged leash/chain to a stump. The owner seemed to get off on the dog intimidating people. Then again, I have also had a cousin that kept his mastiff chained and this dog could bark so ferociously that it would make your heart skip a beat. However, as a kid, I used to run right up to Bear and hug him and I'd be greeted with kisses and nuzzles each and every time and he'd whimper when I had to leave.


Fast forward to today, I deal with a neighbor that has a very aggressive Pyrenees dog, and it's a HUGE dog that looks like a domesticated polar bear, crap you not. Again, something I note with people that have an animal that they KNOW is aggressive, they seem to enjoy the dog's status and often enforce it, not remedy it. For example, I had to get my daughter the other day from off a fence post because polar bear lite had gotten loose and had basically treed her up the post and she was hollering and scared to come down. I myself am usually scared of the dog too, because I know the owners have very little control over it and seem to enjoy watching it intimidate passersby. However, like all things mammalian, when my baby was in trouble, I noticed I was able to scare the dog home with nothing but my wits and my voice. This dog growls at kids at the bus stop (since the owner just HAS to bring it) and the kids are terrified and many parents have complained. Now I believe this Pyrenees is a lawsuit waiting to happen, but compare this gentle-looking fluffy dog to my other neighbors rottie. The kids toss a ball back there, no one is scared to go in after it, because the rottie is just a giant baby that would probably lick a kid to death if anything.

I (at the risk of sounding ignorant) HATE dog owners that get a dog of any breed with intent to intimidate others. It's simply disgusting, trashy behavior. You can tell they have "ghetto trained" it to be hyper-aggressive and be rewarded for it. There are more dog owners like that out there than many realize, could even be your own neighbor. People are so insecure and simple that they need a dog to protect them. I'm sorry but that's the lamest thing ever. If you need protection so bad, learn a martial art, get ADT, qualify with a pistol and get one, heck, get a taser. Don't hide behind a dog and get mad when other people aren't having your crap from Cujo. It's not the pit that should be banned, it's attitudes of "Billy Bad" you know what coming from the owners. "Oh look at mee, I got a Westside Corso Brazilero and I feed it gunpowder. Better not mess with me, I'm tough." This is the problem.

I own cats. If you are alert enough, they can inform you of trespassers in your space just as well as a dog. No worries about it mauling the UPS man either, that's a bonus.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:27 PM
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Sure you are a taxpayer but your freedom ends where mine begins.
If you cannot play with all of the kids in harmony then you are more than free to sequester yourself in the safety of your home.
But removing individual freedoms is NEVER the answer, it just leads to more regulation.
The US was supposed to be a people ruled by freedom and respect of others not laws.
To single out one breed to be exterminated will only bring the next "target" to the surface for consideration.
Before you know it there will be no dogs left, I would not care to live in a world without dogs.
They are smarter than us you know.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by lordbayfin
pits are the rat race of all dogs.. sorry to say
I remember in the 80s here in NYC all the pit fights in parks ...
rumors of feeding them just gun powder to get them crazy and what not...
worth less breed of dogs

pits dont ever have a really species name and no red nose pit / brown / blue and pink nose pits don't even come close to a species name.


Man you just know everything don't you. Its not that the people wanted to see the dogs fight, they just naturally came onto the gun powder, and started fighting and people started watching right?? Wrong, this is just another example of people jumping the gun, they get one impression(totally biased by the way) and base all their judgments off of that. Hey I had a glass of orange juice today, I don't have cancer, so orange juice must cure cancer! Thats the same logic being used here against the pitts.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:30 PM
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Ummmmm, I have no penis. We rescued a pit from the pound that was used for fighting. She was the most loving, loyal dog anyone could ever want. Please learn about dogs before you write anymore lies/gibberish about pits.
Deny ignorance!!!!!!!!!



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by HoppedUp

I (at the risk of sounding ignorant) HATE dog owners that get a dog of any breed with intent to intimidate others. It's simply disgusting, trashy behavior. You can tell they have "ghetto trained" it to be hyper-aggressive and be rewarded for it. There are more dog owners like that out there than many realize, could even be your own neighbor. People are so insecure and simple that they need a dog to protect them. I'm sorry but that's the lamest thing ever. If you need protection so bad, learn a martial art, get ADT, qualify with a pistol and get one, heck, get a taser. Don't hide behind a dog and get mad when other people aren't having your crap from Cujo. It's not the pit that should be banned, it's attitudes of "Billy Bad" you know what coming from the owners. "Oh look at mee, I got a Westside Corso Brazilero and I feed it gunpowder. Better not mess with me, I'm tough." This is the problem.




So well said. Having grown up in extremely densely urban NYC, your sentiment pretty much sums up my experience growing up with so many loud, agressive dogs around my home, as well as the unpleasant experiences (including BITES) while walking on the street, while working at the Kennel, and volunteering at the downtown aspca.

Theres definitely that pattern in most dog owners, and foremost in the ones who "wield" a pit bull as some sort of guard/trophy/living machete.

And to top it off, it's just disposable, they abuse the dog and end up abandoning it, anyways. Then another holiday comes around and they get yet another one. Endless, disgusting cycle that shouldn't be publicly allowed... but is.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:32 PM
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pits should be banned they are born killers that attack throats just like a lion. my niece 6months ago almost was attacked by two pits and would of most likely died if caught. she is tiny 100pounds age 16 just got out of her car to go into her house when she was walking up to house she looked down street and two pits were running at her she ran to door unlocked it barely in time to get away. then those dogs ended up attacking another guy few houses down. screw pits they are born killers i dont give a # what anyone says their friendly this and that my ass lions in circus are friendly to so lets see a pit owner go try pet one. born killers



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