The European project is splitting apart at the very core

So are we witnessing the actual beginning of the end of the Eurozone? This article suggest in no uncertain terms, that its demise in its current form is fast approaching....

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Behind all the spin, smoke and fury of recent days, we see unfolding the greatest crisis in the history of the “European project”. What is emerging is a fundamental split which threatens to inflict on it by far the most serious reverse in its 62-year history. It is apt that this conflict should centre on what was always designed to be the supreme symbol of the drive to full European integration, the euro.

As Greece plunges into meltdown – its economy shrinking by more than a fifth, Athens burning, 200,000 businesses already closed or on the brink, unemployment approaching 25 per cent – it is clear that the EU is separating into two irreconcilable camps. On one hand, the defenders of the orthodoxy, led by the Commission and supported by France (which is exposed to a Greek default more than any other country), is battling to hold the line with another massive bail-out. They know that for Greece to leave the euro would be an unprecedented defeat for integration, with almost unimaginable consequences as other overborrowed countries follow suit. To avert this they are prepared to work as closely as possible with the puppet prime minister the EU has imposed on Athens to do its bidding.

On the other hand, it becomes increasingly clear that Germany, supported by Holland and Finland, has had enough. They see no point in throwing colossal sums of money into what Germany’s finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, calls “the bottomless pit” of Greek debt. It is they who have wanted to pile ever more impossible demands on Greece to hurry on a default. If other debtor countries such as Portugal, Italy and Spain follow suit and leave the euro that they should never have been allowed to join – so be it.

What makes this moment so significant is not just that the disintegration of the eurozone will be by far the most serious check to the hitherto seemingly irresistible drive for “ever closer union”, but that it marks the rending apart of that Franco-German alliance which has been seen, ever since the Elysee Treaty of 1963, as the central “motor” of European integration. As the slow-motion crisis inches towards breaking point, France and the European institutions are on one side of an unbridgeable divide, and Germany and its increasingly restive people on the other. The latter see that the gamble of the euro has failed just as dismally as the Bundesbank had warned it would back in the 1980s – before being ruthlessly outmanoeuvred by Jacques Delors and Helmut Kohl.

National interest is reasserting its sway over a project that was inspired, above all, by the desire to suppress national interest. However the chips fall in coming days and months, the eurozone will disintegrate. The European dream has entered a nightmare stage from which there is no rational escape and the consequences will be horrendous, for Europe and the world.

reply to post by surrealist

This needs to happen and not just in Europe IMHO the whole Fiat currency exeriment was never anything more than a scam and the sooner the system is resest the sooner people can get through whats coming and it isnt going to be pretty

There was too much recent history with Germany for the European ideology to work.
From a Greek perspective it looks as though Germany couldnt get ownership of Europe through war, so will get it by economic means.
There have been a lot of dodgy deals made over the years which has led Greece to this point, and I beleive economic terrorism has played it's part.
Greec is better off defaulting and exiting the euro. Painful in the short term, but long term it's the only way for it to survive as a country in it's present form.

The funny thing about this is that the historical basis for which Germany gave up its Deutschmark was that joining their economy to the Euro was the basis on which their unification would not be opposed.

Twenty years later, Germany is united, and while it might not be abandoning the Euro (as yet), it's forcing it onto its own terms. I don't know if German hegemony in Europe (which I believe will be the end game of this) is a good thing or a bad thing, but it seems like something that is coming.

Some people believe that under Ancient ALIENS :

reply to post by persianista

Originally posted by persianista
From a Greek perspective it looks as though Germany couldnt get ownership of Europe through war, so will get it by economic means.

From a German perspective it looks like Germany is always the evil oppressor, no matter what.

Even when we play by the rules and engage in friendly and strictly peaceful relations with our neighbours.
The second Germany does anything better then some other nation GERMANY IS EVIL AND STRIVES TO RULE THE WORLD!!!

But our german taxpayers' money is good enough I guess...

ETA:
People have to realize that this whole misery is not about national predominance. Our real enemies don't have and don't care for national identities.

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I hope your right that this is the beginning of the end.

Listen to this interview from the Alex Jones channel 3-4 days ago with Nigel Farage. They talk about the brakedown of greece and how the undemocratic powers is gaining power inside the EUzone. The Elite are moving as fast as possible, pushing foreward at full speed before the populations gets aware about the scam and say enough is enough.

Originally posted by Bilder
reply to post by surrealist

 

This needs to happen and not just in Europe IMHO the whole Fiat currency exeriment was never anything more than a scam and the sooner the system is resest the sooner people can get through whats coming and it isnt going to be pretty

agreed, i mean hey how long can the illusion go on, hedging the economy by the banks to 10 times it's actual value. i would love to be able to loan money out based on 10 times what i have. start with 100,000 and loan out 1,000,000 collect interest, wash and repeat.