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NYT 1932 : Hitler should have more power

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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I feel that, in looking back at this under today's light, that perhaps the nazi party won, actually.
Most of western europe remained or became socialist and most of eastern europe became communist.
Our country absorbed a large part of the nazi scientist pool and we developed our space technology thanks in part to our nazi scientists.
Since the war ended, our country has steadily absorbed various socialist agendas.
When I think of our prison system and the fake "war on drugs" and now our "war or terror", I feel like it is some kind of advanced level of nazi type propaganda warfare.




posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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He built highways, created jobs, saved the economy.. What was not to like? People didn't know what he was up to so ofcourse they loved him. He saved them from an economic crisis (much times worse then the one in the present) and was giving Germany a future.
He hadn't invaded Poland yet.. It's in 1939 when he invaded Poland and people saw his true plans.. Can't blame them for not knowing what would happen in the future right?
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by theubermensch

Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
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Then I ask, what is the point of your post? Are you not showing admiration of Hitler by dredging up sympathetic articles from historical sources?

For example, the Time Man of the Year article is not a flattering portrait of a misunderstood martyr...it paints Hitler in the image of a ruthless man out for power.

www.time.com...


I didnt say anything about the Times article. This isnt my thread. I commented that there was alot to like about Hitler and that yes,he did indeed have many supporters in America.

I thought that it was refreshing to see a thread on here that attempts to take a less hysterical look at Hitler. You are blinded by propaganda.

And I admire Hitler for many reasons.
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hi
all things aside prior to ww2

how can you not admire a man that

1) He unified the German people and helped them regain their sense of pride
2) Stabilized the German economy and eliminated foreign debt
3) He instituted the standardized schedule
for the German train system and a standardized measurement for rail cars
4) Created the modern autobahn system
5) Encouraged the development of the Volkswagen
6) Instituted the Kindergarten system
7) Encouraged the development of jet aircraft, and rocket development.

answers.yahoo.com...
edit on 10/25/2011 by davesmart because: added source



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword
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I think ALL Nazi sympathizers/anti-semites should be *BANNED* from ATS.

Why?

Because they ARE ignorance at it's finest.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



I may not agree with these groups of people but freedom of speech does not just apply to people who you agree with. Ignorant though they be it's even more ignorant to say '' you don't deserve an opinion'' rather than present why you disagree.
And whats the big deal with america liking Hitler before he wore his crazy hat in public? America liked Saddam Hussein in the 80's...we didn't yet see the insanity behind the mask. Ever have a ''friend'' steal from you? Same thing on a way smaller scale. You just can't believe you trusted them. Not saying I like either of these insane dictators (hate em' both but I will admit they sure make an interesting topic to discuss) but I fully understand why some people liked them before they did what they did to land them the pages of history. It's always easy to look back and say ''What was I thinking, there were warning signs''...Sure there were signs but before the -you know what- hit the fan things were going well for the people...better than it had been in a long time...this is a trap any society could fall prey to....Which is why history is even an important subject at all. We need to learn what those signs were to keep history from repeating itself. Just remember anytime you like a politician for the good things promised/going on in your country, you could very well be looking at the next Hitler....would you know before they gain to much momentum?



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword
Reply to post by Nana2
 


I think ALL Nazi sympathizers/anti-semites should be *BANNED* from ATS.

Why?

Because they ARE ignorance at it's finest.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



Dont you think thats a bit... extreme? Removing people's opinion in such a dictatorial and absolute way?

Its funny seeing anti-nazi more nazi than the nazi...



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 04:54 PM
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Do any of you geniuses find it at all funny that those that are the most demonized throughout history are the same leaders that fought a certain group of people that control damn near everything on this planet?

Jesus, Hitler, Idi amin, Farrakhan, Dr Duke , Ghaddafi, and so on and so forth. yet, not a single shred of evidence. Nothing concrete comes our way other than story after story about how evil these people were/are.

Where is the concrete proof other than the media owned by these demons? where is the proof other than the history books published by the companies owned by these demons?

Where is the proof other than the word of bought and paid for government sell outs

Where is the proof that these men were evil?

Im from #ing Missouri. SHOW ME DAMN IT



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Originally posted by FraternitasSaturni

Originally posted by The Sword
Reply to post by Nana2
 


I think ALL Nazi sympathizers/anti-semites should be *BANNED* from ATS.

Why?

Because they ARE ignorance at it's finest.


 
Posted Via ATS Mobile: m.abovetopsecret.com
 



Dont you think thats a bit... extreme? Removing people's opinion in such a dictatorial and absolute way?

Its funny seeing anti-nazi more nazi than the nazi...




Extreme?? Why not, the other well known forums ban people for discussing this exact thing. If you don't fall in line with the zio-terrorists and their lies about history, the zio-mods ban you.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Hitler was right get over it...He had the audacity to bring his people together to fight the zionist plotters. Hitler saved the germans from zionist jew bankers.

We must accept that absolute power corrupts. Hitler started off doing the right thing and took a horrible turn towards right wing extremism. The same could be said about modern day America.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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Well, actually no. He didn't save them. Look at the once great nation now. You can't even question the history without fear of going to prison.

"Fear the Jews"



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by davesmart
hi
all things aside prior to ww2

how can you not admire a man that
1) He unified the German people and helped them regain their sense of pride

By blaming the problems Germany was having on the Jews, Democracy, and anyone who did not see eye to eye with his politics, as was evident by the SA's actions prior to him becoming a major force in politics.


Originally posted by davesmart
2) Stabilized the German economy and eliminated foreign debt

The unemployment issue was resolved not because of new business but because of forcing the jews out of their businesses, seizing their wealth, property and items and restricting their further involvement in pretty much anything. The addition of forcing women out of work sealed the deal in terms of unemployment, however the manner in which he accomplished it would not be something I would like to witness first hand.

Nationalizing industries, seizing businesses / wealth from those deemed an enemy of the state... As far as foreign debt goes its easy to get rid when Germany forced those countries to either accept wiping the debt out or becoming a part, unwillingly, of the 3rd Reich..

Hence the fine example of appeasement not working that Chamberlain demonstrated.

The German phrase is Autarky, or self sufficiency with the underlying presence of slave labor (autobahn), nationalized industry, and annexing parts of Europe with little no no resistance.


Originally posted by davesmart
3) He instituted the standardized schedule
for the German train system and a standardized measurement for rail cars

Already done in the US and in other European countries, so hardly an accomplishment.


Originally posted by davesmart
4) Created the modern autobahn system

His only idea that the world liked, no more so than Gen. Eisenhower, who introduced it to the US after the war. The reason behind the autobahn though is where the issue lies in this case, as it was needed to facilitate the flow of troops / equipment and supplies between major cities to assist with the expansion of the Reich.


Originally posted by davesmart
5) Encouraged the development of the Volkswagen

Going back to the term Autarky, The encouragement was along the lines of this is what you will build now go do it. A reliable vehicle capable of traveling around 60mph and last but not least, must be German. Again not done out of public pride but because of Orders from the Chancellor of Germany. Feel free to check out the other demands Hitler placed on Volkswagen..


Originally posted by davesmart
6) Instituted the Kindergarten system

Actually Hitler expanded the education system of Germany into Mass education. This included brainwashing when it came to Jews being responsible for all of Germany's problems, the indoctrination of small children into the Nazi way of thinking through summer camps, where they encouraged younger children to procreate for the good of the Reich, and any parent who had issues with their child being sexually active were turned into the SA or Gestapo and were dealt with.

The German people had no children. Their children belonged to the Reich. Occupied territories saw the introduction of German education, along with any child who was deemed German (Aryan - Blond / Blue) were taken from their parents and adopted out to German families. All courtesy of the German educational system. Lets not forget about the SA as well as the Hitler Youth. Children forced to memorize poems against Jews, with extreme punishment if that poem was not memorized and recited the next day.



Originally posted by davesmart
7) Encouraged the development of jet aircraft, and rocket development.

Scientists forced against their will to support those projects. Concentration camps where Nazi Doctors were assigned to test possible cures for diseases on prisoners. Using prisoners to experiment with cold weather gear and survival for Nazi airmen. Using hyperbarric chambers to test the human extremes of when they would succumb to loss of consciousness, performing live vivisections to determine the effects of those experiments on the inside of the human body, forcing prisoners to strip naked and force them to stand in 0 degree weather or forced them into freezing water to test ways to protect nazi airmen / soldiers from hypothermia / exposure.

Nazi scientists involved in those projects did not all make it to allied / Soviet countries after the war. Depending on the level of secrecy involving the projects, scientists were executed by the SS to cover up their inolvement in certain projects and to remove evidence in the event of allied capture.

Medical Experiments of the Holocaust and Nazi Medicine
Nazi Human Experimentation


There is NOTHING to admire about Hitler. He did not do anything to assist the German people. Every accomplishment was done at the end of the gun rifle / line to the showers / concentration camp.

With all due respect this is my point in a few other posts. People dont have proper regard for history or what actually occurred, in addition to how some of these "accomplishments" were actually accomplished.

Had the internet been around in the 30's, it would have changed nothing. I still stand by my earlier statement that what we would have had was people posting their admiration for Hitler and his "accomplishments" while ignoring the suffering and crimes he committed to make those accomplishments reality, all the while lambasting any country who took a stance against Hitler.

I mean really... How could Hitler be so evil when he did so much for his country...

I guess once could make the argument that based on all of the medical experimentation that occurred, not one animal was harmed in the process...

Pol Pot was able to pull of the same stats when it came to medical experimentation.

/end sarcasm
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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:18 PM
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The sheeple lick the heels of whatever candidates the Republican and Democrat parties wish to throw at them.

In other words, poor-quality table scraps for the loyal sheep!



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:20 PM
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How do you live with yourself, coming to this half-assed conclusion?

Defending tyrants makes you one of them.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:36 PM
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If the SHTF , the moral compass of a large percentage will be out the window , survival through history has shown and taught us that the human condition when put under great stress , manifests it's survival mechanism . I have 100% empathy towards my fellow man / woman now as I type this , but being truthful , put under life or death scenario's in the future ..........WHO KNOWs , anyone who can answer NO there moral compass would not change is trying to predict ones future self ........... I cannot do this.........can you



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:09 PM
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You forgot 2 very important sayings -

The first is


Never Forget


and the second and most important is -


Ihr trugt die Schande nicht.

Ihr wehrtet euch.

Ihr gabt das große ewig wache Zeichen der Umkehr,

opfernd Euer heißes Leben für Freiheit, Recht, und Ehre.








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posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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follow the money trail boys & girls 97% of money that flowed into germany was from jewish sources .i was taught history by one of the 9000 germans given new identitys by brittian america took 50.000 bet you dont hear that many places . have a read of captain ARCHIBALD MULE RAMSEYS THE NAMELESS WAR .he spent 4.5 years in prison for opposition to the war . was it not the poles who caused the war by killing 50.000 that made hitler invade that figure of 6.000.000 has been around since ww1 . look up hitlers speaches on you tube . who was hitler ( schiklebrubber ) really was he really a secret hebrew /russian as velikovski would say one of the first things hitler did was to hand palestine to the ashkenazi & you thought it was us . ww2 was fought over nicola teslas inventions if you remember a programe in b&w called the world at war teslas the last man you see his nickname for a thieving little boy was CURIOUS GEORGE who went on to become GEO HW BUSH whos family bankrolled hitler the natzis never lost they just moved on to america .it was churchill not hitler who bombed first churchill & harris not juilty if war crimes on dresden & hamberg . dont believe the crap your told .a semite is an arab not a jew if you read the bible it tells you to beware they that call them selves hebrews who are not check the world census on jews at the time .all hitlers pals were secret jews as was churchill / stalin /eiseinhower shock horror weve been sold a dummy and the world is about to see the 4th reich (usa) emerge from the ashes



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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If the elite are sheep too, then everyone is a sheep.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by NuminousCosmos
People admired Hitler then only because they did not yet know the depth of his depravity.

It's one thing to admire him for getting Germany back on track after WWI, it's an entirely different thing to admire him in the 21st century, for, say, highly efficient rounding up and systematic murder of six million Jews.

Hell. Even I think he was a halfway decent artist-but I'm not going to hang his photo on my wall.

Hey, the New York Times loved him '32-therefore he wasn't a bad guy. Right?


bro if we're in the 21st century then you should know by now it's not even close to 6 million



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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"Is it okay to worship Julius Cesar."

Well for one Cesar not really anywhere near as evil as Hitler and secondly , no. Seriously? Have you ever seen anyone Worship Cesar? Like not name a Pizza place after him but worship him? Because I haven't so I'm going to say it's not okay. Hitler was literally the most evil person of all time. Honestly , Even Stalin thought Hitler was evil and He was Stalin.


Do you have any idea how evil you have to be for Stalin to turn his back on you? You have to be pretty damn evil quite frankly.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by geobro
follow the money trail boys & girls 97% of money that flowed into germany was from jewish sources .i was taught history by one of the 9000 germans given new identitys by brittian america took 50.000 bet you dont hear that many places . have a read of captain ARCHIBALD MULE RAMSEYS THE NAMELESS WAR .he spent 4.5 years in prison for opposition to the war . was it not the poles who caused the war by killing 50.000 that made hitler invade that figure of 6.000.000 has been around since ww1 . look up hitlers speaches on you tube . who was hitler ( schiklebrubber ) really was he really a secret hebrew /russian as velikovski would say one of the first things hitler did was to hand palestine to the ashkenazi & you thought it was us . ww2 was fought over nicola teslas inventions if you remember a programe in b&w called the world at war teslas the last man you see his nickname for a thieving little boy was CURIOUS GEORGE who went on to become GEO HW BUSH whos family bankrolled hitler the natzis never lost they just moved on to america .it was churchill not hitler who bombed first churchill & harris not juilty if war crimes on dresden & hamberg . dont believe the crap your told .a semite is an arab not a jew if you read the bible it tells you to beware they that call them selves hebrews who are not check the world census on jews at the time .all hitlers pals were secret jews as was churchill / stalin /eiseinhower shock horror weve been sold a dummy and the world is about to see the 4th reich (usa) emerge from the ashes


www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 08:55 AM
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I seriously doubt that.. I would place my money on biased support for Hitler simply because he is not the US or the West. The same response ATS'ers give the Taliban, Saddam Hussein, North Korea, Bin Laden, Ahmadinejad, Assad...

I totally agree. He spoke against Jewish bankers (Zionism shield was not invented then) who are ruling the world and against Jewish communists (Zionist NWO shield was not invented then) who are going to take over the world (from Jewish bankers apparently) and how the US/UK are evil and corrupted and how Aryan race is in danger, how the German (substitute with whatever you like) lands are conquered by foreigners and how Germany needs new resources and lands that evil imperialists are not letting them have ,about how Germany has the right to rebuild its military and navy because others have it and it is all for peaceful purpose and ctr.

Lots and lots and lots of ATS memebrs would have stared and flaged his posts like there is no WW3 (oh,sorry WW2) tomorrow if the forum existed then and he was an Ubermember.



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