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Freedom of Speech - An excuse to be Openly an Anti-Muslim

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:04 AM
Have you all ever heard of the term divide and conquer? Thats the real agenda, keeping us occupied with this crap..

I know its hard, but we need to see through this ATS...

Nuff said...

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:19 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

The UK intelligence agency MI5 has estimated that up to 4,000 British Muslims had travelled to Pakistan and, before the fall of the Taliban, to Afghanistan for military training.

The Independent

Taking into account that UK Muslims only make up 3% of the UK population, if they made up 100% of it that number would represent 80,000 British Muslims who had been trained by the Taliban.

Also of interest is that more British Muslims have been trained by the Taliban than serve in the British armed forces.

If the number was scaled up to US proportions, it would mean that 400,000 Muslims had been trained by the Taliban.

British Muslims fighting alongside Taliban, commanders claim

UK soldiers in Afghanistan have killed British Muslims fighting alongside the Taliban, commanders claim.

The Telegraph

Nor is this problem purely a British one.

US drone strike kills five 'German militants' in Pakistan

At least 70 Germans have undergone paramilitary training in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and about a third have returned to Germany.

The Telegraph

What can the British and Germans do to stop young Muslims being radicalised?

Most young Muslims obviously don't want to be trained by the Taliban or fight the British army in Afghanistan.

But how can we stop the dangerous minority that does?

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:24 AM
reply to post by ALLDRAFT

Aww, did those poor muslim's hurt your feelings because they burn a piece of cloth and call you names? Yet your people murder millions and your worried about name calling?

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:27 AM
if the bad/radical muslims are only a small percentage of muslims in general , why don't the good/peace loving muslims take care of the problem and put the bad ones away for life ?

i think we all know the answers to that one.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:29 AM
Does radical Islam have a problem with the USA?

Since 9/11, Muslims have attempted to carry out the following attacks in the USA. It should be noted however that most of these attacks were plotted by Muslims that were not US citizens.

destroy the Brooklyn bridge

blow up an Ohio shopping mall

blow up the New York stock exchange

blow up the NY subway

blow up an Indian diplomat with a shoulder fired grenade launcher

blow up National Guard facilities and synagogues in the LA area

blow up the Wyoming natural gas refinery & the Transcontinental Pipeline

set off a dirty bomb in the USA

blow up the US Capitol and Word Bank Headquarters

blow up the Sears tower in Chicago

blow up NY city train tunnels

set off hand grenades in a shopping mall outside Chicago

conspiring to attack Fort Dix, New Jersey

set off a TAPT bomb in the NY subway

blow up a Dallas skyscraper

set off a car bomb outside the courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois

murder civilians in US shopping malls

blow up “aviation fuel tanks and pipelines at the John F. Kennedy International Airport”

shoot down planes with stinger missiles.

It should be borne in mind that most Muslims are like you and I. They just want a quiet life.

On the other hand, a large number of Islamic radicals have plotted to carry out a significant number of terrorist attacks in the USA and have only been prevented from doing so by the security services.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:29 AM
reply to post by phantomjack

They are screaming to wipe Israel and the USA off the map.

Seriously, who gives a damn?

WE were attacked on 9.11.

Yeah, by Israel.

What, we have no right to be pissed?

3,000 - 1,000,000...genocide much?

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:34 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

The Chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America and the Sufi Muslim Council has testified that Islamic supremacists control 80% of US mosques.

Sheikh Muhammad Hisham Kabbani, a Sufi leader, visited 114 mosques in the United States.

Then he gave testimony before a State Department open forum in January 1999 declaring that Islamic supremacists controlled most mosques in America .

“The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques,” Kabbani said, “that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States—like churches they were established by different organizations and that is okay—but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology.

Because they are very active, they took over the mosques, and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the U.S.

And there are more than 3,000 mosques in the U.S. So it means that the methodology or ideology of extremists has been spread to 80% of the Muslim population, but not all of them agree with it.”

I personally find it hard to believe that 80% of US mosques are controlled by Islamic supremacists.

On the other hand, it is possible that 80% of US mosques have elements of Islamic supremacists.

Almost all Islamic terrorists hail from Wahhbi Islam and they prefer to attach themselves to normal mosques, following the logic that there is only one Islam (their's presumably).

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:39 AM
reply to post by InfoKartel

I will be a bit off topic but you asked for it. HERE YOU SHALL SEE MY POWER OF thinking.

1000 quotes of the bible referring to violence and teaching of violence, from which many teach what to do and what not to also giving example.

Here it is i just found a website listing, well over 1000:

How did it taste?

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:39 AM

Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL

It seems that there is an open season on Muslims and anti-Muslim propaganda and acceptance of Muslim bashing in the USA, UK, Israel.

This is exactly how hitler operated, he scapegoated a group of people which led to the holocaust which is EXACTLY what is happening right now.

It is ironic that you mention the holocaust.

Are you aware that the Wiesenthal Center now warns Jews not to travel to Sweden due to Muslim immigrant persecution?

Wiesenthal Center Warns Jews not to travel to Sweden

While screaming “Sieg Heil” and “Hitler, Hitler” in 2009, a violent mob of Swedish Muslims launched bottles and stones at a pro-Israel demonstration attended by a small number of Jews in the central square of Malmö. Media reports have documented widespread harassment of Jews and Jewish children have routinely been called “dirty Jews.”

Are you aware that Jews have been advised to leave Holland, by an ex-EU commissioner, to escape persecution by Moroccan Muslims?

Orthodox Jews should leave Holland because of anti-Semitism: Bolkestein (ex-EU commissioner)

Jews should consider leaving the Netherlands and going to America or Israel because of anti Semitism, particularly among Dutch Moroccans, former VVD leader Frits Bolkestein told free newspaper De Pers.

Bolkestein said he sees no future in the Netherlands for Jews who stand out, such as orthodox Jews. Arabic tv senders are largely to blame for the anti-Jewish sentiment, the former EU commissioner said.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:41 AM
All three Abrahamic religions are equally absurd. That's the irony of it!

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:45 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Was the founder of Islam a man of peace?

In the space of a single decade Muhammed

• Fought eight major battles,

• Led eighteen raids, &

• Planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.


The Koran, Hadiths and the first biography about him (by a devout Muslim) don't paint a picture of a man of peace at all. The portray him as a violent warlord.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:45 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL


posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:49 AM
Don't be an idiot! You can't say anything anti muslim. The populous will beat you down because of all the politically correct bull#@%$! The muslims openly hate all American's but we can't say anything bad about them. Another thing you’re wrong about is the only group you can still make threats against, make fun of call names and talk about how stupid they are is white American Christian males. Try it. You can't say sand 'n-word's or rug pilots or any slur. Try it you won't be allowed.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:54 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Almost all terrorists come from the hard-line Wahabi school of Islam


It has also been alleged that 80% of US mosques are Saudi Wahhabi funded and that Saudi Arabia has spent $87 Billion spreading Wahhabi Mosques around the world.

Of the more than 1,200 mosques in America, more than 80-percent were built with Saudi money, according to author Reza F. Safa.

In fact, Safa writes that the Saudis have spent “$87 billion since 1973 to spread Islam throughout the United States and the Western hemisphere.”

Elsewhere in the world, it is believed that Saudi Arabia finances some 85-percent of the world’s mosques, where the vitriolic and violent Wahabbist interpretation of Islam is taught.

National Review

Don't tar all Muslims with the same brush. The majority of Muslims just want a quiet life.

The Saudi funded Wahhabi however think we should all be living in the 8th century and reject modern technology unless of course it helps them kill people who refuse to be dominated by them - both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Don't let the violent extremists slip under the radar in the quest to not tar all Muslims are radicals.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:56 AM
reply to post by D1Useek

Perfect example. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha... priceless!

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:06 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Are modern day jihadists missguided individuals?

Muhammed personally took part in about 28 violent jihads and was involved in planning about 80 in total.

570 - Born in Mecca
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan
624 - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies.

Perhaps the most notorious jihad that Muhammad was directly involved in was the beheading of 800 male Jews of the Banu Qurayza in 627.

The Koran itself refers to the murder of the Jews (suwar 33:26 & 33:27).

33:26 He also brought down their allies among the people of the scripture from their secure positions, and threw terror into their hearts. Some of them you killed, and some you took captive.

33:27 He made you inherit their land, their homes, their money, and lands you had never stepped on. God is in full control of all things.

Note that the above source is the authorized translation of the Koran.

A much more comprehensive explanation is that of Ibn Ishaq.

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD. He provided details about the episode mentioned in sura 33:26 & 33:27.

From page 84 & 85 of Ibn Ishaq's autobiography about Muhammad

"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches.

They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe.

In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed.

One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off...

...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself.

Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza.

The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died .

He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"

Was Muhammad a man of violence?

Clearly he was.

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posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:14 AM
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL

Did Muhammad believe in compulsion of religion?

Jews and Christians were tolerated, although they had to pay a special tax, couldn't carry a weapon and were only allowed to ride a donkey rather than a horse.

Non 'people of the book' farded much worse.

In the following Hadith Muhammad ordered converts to islam to be burnt in their houses for not praying.

Bukhari (11:626) - "The Prophet said, 'No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl.'

The Prophet added, 'Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.

By the way, that Bukari is a religious Hadith text which is sacred to Sunni Muslims who make up 80 to 90% of all Muslims globally.

Luckily, they don't seem to take that hadith too seriously, although it should be noted that if you are a Muslim, you take the Hadiths and Koran literally.

If you don't, then you are not a Muslim.

On the other hand, all hadiths were written down after Muhammads death so no one is too sure how accurate they are.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 09:53 AM

Originally posted by D1Useek
Don't be an idiot! You can't say anything anti muslim. The populous will beat you down because of all the politically correct bull#@%$! The muslims openly hate all American's but we can't say anything bad about them. Another thing you’re wrong about is the only group you can still make threats against, make fun of call names and talk about how stupid they are is white American Christian males. Try it. You can't say sand 'n-word's or rug pilots or any slur. Try it you won't be allowed.

Exactly - OP is a 'professional' Muslim shill is all.

Muslims had the UN passing anti-blasphemy laws, just to prevent people explaining what #bags they all are. The whole point of the third wave jihad is stealth, ie to infiltrate the west and it's institutions to such a degree that it will be too late to ever do anything about it. The key is to keep the public blinded as to the real nature of Islam and make sure any public figure who tries to warn about it is either killed, sued, labeled a 'racist' or needs 24/7 security - the one and only place you can read the truth about Islam is now on the internet - and is why shills like OP make threads like this.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 10:25 AM
I find it hilarious that the title speaks of being an anti-Muslim as an abuse of freedom of speech in the western world - while in reality - in most of Islamic countries, freedom of speech does not exist.

While you work your anti-establishment rhetoric, some Muslims in Islamic countries can't even complain about their siblings being slaughtered in the streets.

posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:40 AM
Haha..these are the kinds of threads I love to show my Arabic-Muslim husband.

As I sit here, NOT dressed in a hijab or burka, and read these posts, we just laugh.
He said in all of his years being raised in a Muslim country, he never saw anyone call any Westerner a dog, infidel or Great Satan. In fact, it was always his (and many of their) dreams to become American.

The term "infidel" was from olden times merely to distinguish Non-Muslim from Muslim.

People really should stop getting their news from American MSM.

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