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Originally posted by InfoKartel
I did no such thing. Certain companies, profiteered off Hitler and in that way, gave him what he needed. You can't blame the US for Hitlers actions, just as I can't say that you are responsible for what I'm typing now.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
And time and time it has been said that these hostilities towards the government of Iran are HURTING IRANIANS. So foreign powers are supplying the Iranian regime with "reasons", and the Iranian regime uses this to galvanize the people behind their religious idiocracy.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Yes but you would have to understand that most of them shouting those things are dumb as hell. Some don't have a choice and have to eat... but most because they've been hit over the head by Mullahs since the day they were born...religious government...oh the joys...
Originally posted by InfoKartel
It's not that, I'm not disputing it here, I even translated it directly for you. But there are several factors in play here...remember that dumb as hell crowd from before? The ones who are ignorant about many things but follow the crowd? Well, if you were giving a speech to dumb folks, you'd need to keep the sentences as short as possible and as close to the intended sentiment as possible. As far as my personal opinion regarding this? Meh, do away with the religious government and people who shout this on the streets will be regarded as "special" cases...like they used to before Khomenei(and co) messed Iran up.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I respect that sentiment, but people who stone women for adultery...I don't want to be near 'em let alone advance with them.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
The context is this thread...these government big heads bowing to the religious crowd? No? It's the same as you posting a video of a bunch of -60 IQ religiously indoctrinated idiots chanting a disgusting sentence for pay or because they simply don't know better. Quid pro Quo.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
When you posted the phrase "Top Turbin" last night, it was unfamiliar to me. In fact, it seemed to be a misspelling of "turban". I even tried looking up "turbin" on the internet to find what you are referencing to, with zero success. I even looked through the index of an intensive Iran textbook that I have, with no "turbin" in it.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
When invaders are running around his house with machineguns
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I never said that they are "the top producer". I said they "are a top producer".
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And who said I got those facts from PressTV? I actually used the CIA World Factbook when I once wrote a report on this very subject.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You're trying to tell me that being in the top five of around two hundred countries isn't significant?
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Ever seen the Straight of Hormuz at its tightest point? You can see right across it.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And regardless of what you think, this point is in Iran's hands. ..... snipped for room
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Your inability to see how significant Iran is, is not my problem. Iran could be number #1 in oil production and you would still find some way to call them insignificant.
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The very fact that Iran is an energy exporter, ...snipped for room
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Diplomatic... you mean like using proxy militias and intel agents to conduct sabotage and assassinations within Iran?
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
I already do exactly that. I think that you're accusing me of your faults.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Missile strikes will solve everything? What a fool.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And what you think your religious denominations are, means nothing. Your country is Christian; your children and presidents and judges swear allegiance under God. Just as you see Iran as a bunch of violent muslims, they see the US as a bunch of violent christians.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yet you gladly condone soft power tactics against the Iranian people in order to indirectly attack the Iranian government.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And what treaty obligations has Iran not complied with?
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Yes, Iran is so responsible. Must be easy to make that claim when your nation's forces surround it on three of four fronts.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
First of all, this is bullsh*t. I infact do supply links if I happen to get my facts from them.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
But unlike you I actually study this stuff on a level that puts your little internet research capability to shame. I've put up my significant sources before, many times actually... but since they are books, which require some effort to actually look into, they are often ignored.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And quite frankly, the bulk of my knowledge comes from direct lectures by professionals, including scholars, politicians and even book authors and journalists themselves. What do you expect me to do, pick my mind to write an exact quote that I once heard and then write who told me it, when and where? Get real.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Look up the definition of Straussian and then look at your own government after Bush took power.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
And since you won't since you only like facts that are handed to you on a platter, I'll explain it to you. A Straussian practices their power by employing an inferior argument against a rival. If the rival falls for the inferior argument, then the rival is inferior. When the American people fall for the immediate threat of bin Laden's terrorism, Saddam's WMD, and Ahmadinejad's nukes, then that is because they are too inferior to understand the bigger picture. This is how elitist mentality works.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Let me get this straight.
no, no, lets just think about this for just a brief moment...
I post my opinion based on my knowledge based on my training and experience.... and my opinion is of a different perspective of the status quo... and my opinion describes imperialist tactics and geopolitics instead of irrational fears...
And somehow my opinion translates to "death to America" and "death to Israel"?
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
You are seriously screwed in the head if you believe this.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
A country like the US, with a massive nuclear program and extensive nuclear arsenal, has no business telling another country that it cannot develop a nuclear energy program. What is even more ironic is that it was the Americans who started the Iranian nuclear energy program under the Shah, but back then Iran was an American client state so it was all acceptable.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
A country like Israel, that has ignored the NNPT and has, in fact, proliferated nuclear weapons into a very capable arsenal, has no business telling Iran anything about nuclear issues.
Originally posted by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
Oh wait, I think I just posted "death to America" and "death to Israel" in the American language. But I can't be sure, because I am not an American
So when you stated Hitler was sponsored by American contractors and the Bank of England you were suggesting what?
Again, your accusation are suggesting Hitler only got to where he was because of US and Bank of England,
Again, problems with the Iranian government, not her people. The Iranian people are being hurt because of actions taken by the IRANIAN GOVERNMENT, not because of US actions.
while at the same time completely ignoring Hitlers actions.
Again, you are attempting to blame anyone and everyone else for the situation the Iranian government has created themselves.
So we are now blaming the actions of those Iranians on diminished mental capacity?
Again at what point does personal accountability come into your thought process?
So far you have done nothing but blamed others and exonerated Iran.
If they are as stupid as you claim,
then I will say it again - They have absolutely no business having a nuclear energy program,
let alone a nuclear weapon program. Or is that someone else fault as well?
Again you are shifting blame and making excuses for Iran, which doesn't resolve the problem.
and ignoring those actions by back water countries who have not been able to advance beyond the 9th century is whats holding back the advancement of our human civilization as a whole.
and ignoring those actions
Originally posted by InfoKartel
That Hitler was sponsored by American contractors and the Bank of England. The pope at the time was in business with Hitler as well. It is not to suggest something but to highlight the fact that no country is innocent.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
There are a few things you need to understand. First one being that without rough resources your tanks won't move...tanks that you cannot make without said resources in the first place. So they did get him to where he was, because, where else would he have gotten the needed money to buy the needed resources?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I don't know which world you live on but a sanction does hurt the people and it is the US putting the sanction on Iran. You may scream human rights issue now because your masters want you to, but I've been screaming human rights issue for the last at least 15-16 years of my life about the Iranian issue. Where were those sanctions 10 years ago when people were being hung on mountains with knives in their back?
Now that Iran is threatening to become self-sufficient in energy needs America and co. feel the need to place sanctions. You say it's for nukes? Who cares? Pakistan already has nukes and they vowed allegiance to Iran. Personally, I wouldn't want nukes in the hands of a theocracy, but on the other hand...there are no nukes in Iran!
Originally posted by InfoKartel
WHAT?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I know exactly who to blame. The theocracy catches most of the blame. But I ask of you; who put that theocracy there? You will find out that again, there were certain "helping hands"...that now have their hands reaching out trying to grab as many resources and geopolitical strategic points as possible. Do you want to debate this? No, you don't, because you are wholly ignorant about the true complexity of these issues. Answer this: Ever read works by Zbigniew Brzezinski? Simple question, yes or no will suffice.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Those Iranians shouting those things? Not really diminished mental capacity but it's pure ignorance. Why do you think the theocracy is doing everything in its power to curb the free flow of information to the people? How long do you think this theocracy will last still?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I can't hold an ignorant person accountable...it doesn't make sense. I can't hold someone responsible for trying to survive, can you?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
That's what your limited perspective shows you. I don't really care for your perspective though, you have no stakes in Iran...or do you?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
That's a minority by the way. Not a majority. The majority of people are under 30 years old and do not like the Islamic regime.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
So just because a minority inside the country is ignorant because they were picked up from rural areas at a young age, got Koran-thumped...the majority of the people deserve rolling blackouts in their capital? They have every right and it is completely THEIR business to have a nuclear energy program. You nor anyone else has a say in this matter...really.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
I agree with you on this point. No nuclear weapon program. But they don't have one and every source regarding this tripe is exactly that, correct? Besides, like mentioned earlier...if they have another country pledging allegiance in case of war, and that other country has nukes, this really is a moot point.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Again that is your limited perspective.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Excuse me, exactly in how many countries have you marched in protests against the Iranian regime? In exactly how many protests agai
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And is it me or you that cannot enter Iran because you or me did not ignore those actions?
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Which family members of you are suffering because of these issues you so lightly talk about as if it were strictly black&white?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Grow the hell up and understand who the hell you're speaking to.
The Iranian government is the cause for the plight of the Iranian people and no one else.
I know who he is and what he did, but I have not read any of his books.
instead they want homicide boats, nuclear weapons and a ballistic missile program capable of reaching Europe, apparently because Andorra is a threat to Iranian national security.
Israeli Professor:
'We Could Destroy All European Capitals'
Based on your argument thus far it appears you are saying that the US was the only country responsible for World War II and the cold war.
Well since they use the same mentality as Hitler, my guess is a few thousand years.
I am interested in holding the Iranian government accountable for its actions on the world stage.
The Iranian people are the ones required to hold their government accountable at their level.
I do actually because if they get a nuclear weapon, its not going to be launched at Iraq, China or Andorra. Its going to be Israel and the US.
This is one of the issues non Americans are incapable of seeing, comprehending / understanding.
I dont see any flowers and cards from Al Queida / Arab countries who wanted us out of Saudi Arabia hitting the doorstep do you?
Then if they are that intelligent, they know that their government (Iranian) is responsible for the poor economic conditions by choosing a course of action they stated they would not follow (nukes).
Its apparent to me the Iranian Government is ignorant and I stand by my statement - they have no business developing nuclear energy,
Iran, with their inability to be truthful, cant make the same guarantee and be taken seriously. It would be like Somali's navy having 3 modern aircraft carriers. There is no reason for the Somalian navy to have a need for that type of military hardware. The same holds for Iran.
Not limited.. Its based on your argument to date.
All of this is fine and dandy, but has nothing to do with Iran, which is the topic.
I cannot enter because the Iranian regime is a backwards sort sighted arrogant and highly ignorant entity who places more into control through religion and terror than independent thought and civil actions.
None, because my family members got out of and are in / from countries that don't randomly execute / imprison people in the name of religion or simplify because they feel like it because they are on some perceived Allah trip to distribute justice.
I would say we could March in Tehran, but he last time that occurred Iran opened up a can of whoop ass on their own people for having a differing view point, namely being screwed out of an election.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
All of this exposes you for the ignorant know it all that you pretend to be on this forum!
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Nice way to go around that question.
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And that gives you the right to...?? You never even protested so what the HELL do you really know?
Originally posted by InfoKartel
We'll see how "fair" the elections in the US turn out and whether or not you will be called upon to beat down your fellow Americans. Then come back to this forum and we'll talk some more...until then, you can regard this to be the last reply of me to you, until you can be bothered to inform yourself( really, read Zbgigniews works ). Take care.
Wow.. Nice attempt to completely shift the conversation.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
You admitted you read nothing by Brzezinski.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
The foreign policy mastermind of the US. A foreign policy advisor of president Obama right now. The foreign policy advisor in the time of president Carter( mastermind behind CIA's Iran coupè)
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blah blah blah.....
Oh goody... We are now back to the round robbin, bringing up parts of a conersation you abandoned a few posts back. Still trying to shift the topic... sad.
And your point?
Do you think PressTV should be allowed to air in other countries and should Iran reciprocate by allowing western media to air in Iran.
If not, why?
A lot more than the average Iranian, since im allowed to think for myself and read news not put out by the State.
Should we discuss the support Iran gives to Syria, Hamas, Hezzbullah? all involved in taking out the governments in Lebanon, as well as the Palestinian government in the west bank?
Which part of Iran are you / your family from anyways?
I find it humorous that you are incapable of seeing anything but hatred towards the US and Israel.
At least I can protest in my country without being arbitrarily shot and killed by the Basij./ IRGC.
Originally posted by InfoKartel
Which part of Iran are you / your family from anyways?
None of your business. Just like Iran's energy concerns are none of your business.
Iran is insignificant..
Their threats are insignificant..
Their maturity alone should prevent them from having any nuke program..
They are cowards and nothing more.
PressTV is a joke, as is all Iranian State Media..
Im going to head back to the other thread where people blindly loyal to Iran are apologizing for them.
At least you made an effort to research... Top Turbins refers to the ruling guardian council. Now that you are familiar we can move on since there is no reason to have a 2 paragraph conversation on a non issue. It only detracts from the important issues in the thread.
And yet its not sourced, which takes us back to the discussion from earlier as well as other threads. Way to once again drag the topic off on a different direction in an effort to confuse people.
The US is the Saudi Arabia of Coal, yet there are countries who don't need coal because of other abundant resources. Does that make the US significant to those countries? - Nope.
Iran is no more significant than Venezuela, Iraq or Kuwait. Since Iran does not figure into US oil imports, they are insignificant. Secondly respect is earned, not demanded simply because there is oil underneath their feet.
about 25 miles at its narrowest point, and again, Iran doesn't own the straights. Please stay on topic.
They can also ensure international shipping is protected from the errant children and their homicide boats.
Because Iran is not a significant nation. They are a loud mouth child throwing a temper tantrum because they aren't getting their way. So long as Iran has the government it does and treats it citizens the way it does and continually defiles a religion, they are insignificant and will remain so.
Are you going to come back around to the topic or are you going to continually derail the thread in hopes people don't notice you can't defend the other positions of Iran?
Diplomatic... you mean like using proxy militias and intel agents to conduct sabotage and assassinations within Israel, India, Thailand, Georgia, the US etc.
I'm all for Israel calling off the black ops.
They must end support for Hamas and Hezbullah as well. Since we know that won't happen, I fully support Israeli actions.