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reply posted on 22-2-2012 @ 07:44 AM by 0bserver1
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but doesn't it to be a fact that all these occurrences need at least lead to some real open scientific research on universities, without ridiculing or total dismissing it? I mean look at the news data thats coming out lately about all those habitable planets and stuff, I guess It will not take long anymore and the sovereignty will be a fact, and they have to open faculty for studying these subjects, Its way out of modern thinking. And they don,t want to rewrite all that has known that we as humans have discovered.If Columbus hadn't proved the earth was round we were still thinking it was flat...
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reply posted on 22-2-2012 @ 09:45 AM by RussHaywood
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Yeah, great point! I would think the science community would be all over studying UFOs. How exciting is even the idea, right?!?

I think the UFOs may be communicating an simple message: "we are here, you can't control us, and there is sooo muuuch that you don't know; but we respect your Human Space." To respect us means they likely can't be too forceful with their proof. And because there's no clear proof, Academia will have a very hard time using empirical human controls. And if pseudo-science is the death of an Academic, then so too is the study of UFOs.


Sure, in proving the world is round, we could do some math and buy a boat. But to prove a UFO, means UFOs need to submit to human measures and controls--which they do not. And I think this is part of our lesson....


reply posted on 25-8-2012 @ 02:03 AM by karl 12
Originally posted by Nicorette

It's a good article, fair to the subject matter and definitely worth reading, despite the dense, boring and unfriendly writing style typical of such academic prose.

The idea that even serious, scientifically minded people can't take UFOs seriously because it is upsetting to their anthropocentric world view is very persuasive.


Nicorette, it certainly is mate -as TeaAndStrumpets points out in
this post, the article also brings up some important points about irrational scepticism as oppose to true scepticism.

I don't know if you've seen it but there's another article below concerning the UFO subject that has been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal and it also makes some good points about UFO denial, precision propaganda and media-government collusion.


'History of Government Management of UFO Perceptions through Film and Television'

A major new article on the subject on government manipulation of UFO-themed media products is accessible from today as an advance publication for the Spring 2011 issue of 49th Parallel - a journal of North American Studies jointly run through the UK universities of Birmingham and Nottingham.

This is one of only a small handful of articles dealing with UFOs and entertainment-media-control ever to have been published in a peer-reviewed academic journal, and is all the more unusual in that it treats UFOs not as a mere cultural abstraction, but as a real, physical phenomenon of considerable concern to officialdom..


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Cheers.



reply posted on 22-1-2013 @ 01:42 PM by karl 12
Researcher Brad Sparks reviews Dr. Wendt and Dr. Duvall’s paper 'Sovereignty and the UFO' and makes some great points about National Security, securitization and government UFO documents:


“Important PolySci Paper On Government ‘UFO Taboo’

They conclude that the "UFO taboo", as they call it, is due to fears by governments that the UFO, as a 'possible' not necessarily proven manifestation of ET visitation, is a threat to their sovereignty, to their power and control. Even though the authors say one would think that governments would be interested in at least investigating UFOs, as a possible national security threat, they do not. They say the modern state does not want to even investigate UFOs since even the admission of the possibility of UFO reality can diminish their power and control over their people.

They say that science follows along in the footsteps of the modern state in perpetuating the UFO taboo because the UFO threatens our anthropocentrism, our uniqueness in the universe. Thus scientific anthropocentrism undergirds the political controls that initiated and continue to enforce the UFO taboo.

A down to earth way to put their thesis is that governments are run by small-minded, rigid bureaucrats who cannot tolerate new ideas, and are too limited in their imagination to allow for "other realities.."

This is a serious intellectual effort and a very worthy contribution to political science and UFO studies both. It is a welcome relief from the usual vitriolic debunker treatments. It is written in a collegial academic style without rancor. They make very well nuanced arguments.



On securitization and government UFO documents.

After all the FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) ordeals and even lawsuits to pry loose government UFO documents, and uncover the facts about USAF, CIA and British MoD investigations of UFOs, how can one seriously contend there is no "securitization" of the UFO subject by governments?

Many documents are now being disclosed for the first time only after a half century of unwarranted secrecy. There are approximately 225,000 pages of USAF UFO documents languishing in the National Archives and never yet fully studied by researchers since their public release in 1976.

I have reviewed 100,000's of pages of AF and CIA documents on UFOs and other subjects, and interviewed about 100 CIA Directors, Deputy Directors, and officials in AFIN, NSA, DIA, and other agencies, down to intelligence analyst level. Both the AF and the CIA have "actually looked for UFOs", contrary to Wendt and Duvall, and they "found" them.


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