Time Dilation Near The Speed Of Light May Explain Visitations By Aliens In Flying Saucers

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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Lets imagine two people named Mike and Mary who are both 30 years old...

Mike and Mary synchronize their watches...

Mary takes off in a space ship and travels near the speed of light,which is an incredible 670,616,629 miles an hour...

While Mike stays on earth...

Lets say that Mary travels in her space ship at that speed for 70 years...

Lets say that Mike continues living on earth for 70 years...

Now for both Mike and Mary,time will seem to be passing by at the same rate...

Because time is relative to someones perspective...

Mike will perceive 70 years passing by normally for him on earth...

Mary will perceive 70 years passing by normally for her inside her spaceship...

But when Mary returns,the incredible and amazing effects of time dilation will be revealed...

Because in reality,what Mike perceived as 70 years going by and what Mary perceived as 70 years going by,will be very different...

Mary will be 100 years old when she returns to earth...

Mike will be long gone,even though he died when he was 100 years old,he died many thousands of years earlier...

The earth is around 4,500,000,000 years old...

Modern humans have been walking around for about 200,000 years...

We have a hard time figuring out what happened 500 years ago and so what do we really know about who may have came and went many millions of years before us?...Just about nothing...

So theres been way more than enough time for other intelligent species to have evolved on earth that we here and now are more or less totally clueless and completely oblivious about...

The aliens that have been seen and encountered so many times might actually be other species of advanced intelligent life that once existed on earth in the distant past,long before humans arrived upon the evolutionary scene...

Certain groups of those prehuman intelligent life forms may have been astronauts who were sent out upon long range interstellar voyages to explore outer space,perhaps the nearest galaxy andromeda and many groups of them may have been sent out over many years,within many different types of flying saucers,on many different types of missions,all traveling near the speed of light...

By the time they started to return from their deep space explorations,from their perspectives,perhaps 50 or 100 years passed by for them inside their flying saucer spaceships...

But back on earth,many hundreds of thousands,or perhaps even millions of years went by and while they were gone,an unforseen cosmic disaster like an asteroid or comet struck the earth,maybe even a gamma ray burst.Or they may have fallen victim to a self inflicted global nuclear war,the remnants of which we find now as the world wide iridium layer...Either way,the rest of their species died out,they went extinct...

Then humans arose,evolved intelligence and took over the earth...

We have seen some of them returning recently,we still see others returning now and we unknowingly call them aliens,flying saucers and ufos...Without realizing who and what they actually are...
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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By the time they started to return from their deep space explorations,from their perspectives,perhaps 20 or 30 years passed by for them inside their flying saucer spaceships...
At the speed of light, they could have only gone 15 light years. Certainly not to Andromeda.


Information on the Nearest Stars
Sun - Type=G2, Magnitude=-26.8, Distance=0.0000158 ly
A typical yellow dwarf star. It has eight planets orbiting it.
Proxima Centauri - Type=M5, Magnitude=11.0, Distance=4.22 ly
This dim red dwarf is the nearest star to the Sun, and it is a member of the Alpha Centauri system despite lying 0.24 light years from the main pair of stars, requiring over one million years to orbit them. Proxima was discovered in 1915 by Robert Innes and was at that time the least luminous star known. It is also a flare star - capable of brightening a magnitude or more in minutes.
Alpha Centauri A,B - Type=G2+K0, Magnitudes=0.0+1.4, Distance=4.39 ly
Just slightly further from us than Proxima, lie the orange and yellow dwarf stars that make up Alpha Centauri. Orbiting each other in an 80 year period, together they make up one of the brightest objects in southern hemisphere skies. Seen from Alpha Centauri, the third member of the system, Proxima, is a dim (magnitude 4.8) star.
Barnard's Star - Type=M5, Magnitude=9.6, Distance=5.94 ly
Famous for having the largest proper motion of any star, this dim red dwarf travels 0.29 degrees against the background sky in a century. Discovered by E Barnard in 1916, it was thought in the 1960's to have a couple of unseen planets orbiting it, but later observations disproved this. In another 8000 years Barnard's Star will become the closest star to us.
Wolf 359 - Type=M6, Magnitude=13.5, Distance=7.80 ly
An excessively dim red dwarf discovered by Max Wolf in 1918. For 25 years it was the least luminous star known.
Lalande 21185 - Type=M2, Magnitude=7.5, Distance=8.31 ly
Recorded in JJ Lalande's star catalogue compiled in the 1790's, this is one of the brightest red dwarfs in the sky, but it still needs binoculars to see it. G Gatewood reported in 1996 the possible indications of a couple of Jupiter sized planets orbiting it but this remains unconfirmed.
Sirius A,B - Type=A1+DA, Magnitudes=-1.4+8.4, Distance=8.60 ly
This brilliant white star is the brightest star in the night sky and the most luminous star within 25 light years. Its white dwarf companion was first seen in 1852, the first white dwarf ever seen. The orbital period is 50 years.
Luyten 726-8 A,B - Type=M5+M5, Magnitudes=12.4+13.3, Distance=8.73 ly
This is a dim binary system consisting of two red dwarfs. The system is perhaps more famously known as UV Ceti, the variable-star name of the second star in the system. It is a famous flare star and can visibly brighten by several magnitudes as it ejects flares from its surface similar to the ones seen on the surface of the Sun, but far more energetic. Both stars require about 200 years to orbit each other.
Ross 154 - Type=M4, Magnitude=10.4, Distance=9.69 ly
A dim red dwarf. It is one of a number of nearby stars catalogued by Frank Ross in the 1930's. It is also a known flare star.
Ross 248 - Type=M6, Magnitude=12.3, Distance=10.33 ly
Another dim red dwarf.
Epsilon Eridani - Type=K2, Magnitude=3.7, Distance=10.50 ly
An orange dwarf star. This star was searched for signs of intelligent life with the Green Bank radio telescope in 1960. The results, predictably, were negative. The IRAS satellite detected a lot of dust orbiting this star indicating a possible forming solar system, and even more recently, (Aug 2000), a Jupiter sized planet has been detected orbiting this star at a distance of 3.2 AU (480 million km).
Lacaille 9352 - Type=M2, Magnitude=7.4, Distance=10.73 ly
A fairly bright red dwarf which can easily be seen with binoculars, it was first recorded in Nicolas de Lacaille's catalogue of southern hemisphere stars compiled around 1752.
Ross 128 - Type=M4, Magnitude=11.1, Distance=10.89 ly
A dim red dwarf, also known as FI Vir - its variable star designation.
Luyten 789-6 A,B,C - Type=M5+M5+M7, Magnitudes=13.3+13.3+14.0, Distance=11.1 ly
There seems to be three red dwarfs in this system. The main pair orbiting each other in a 2 year period, and a dim third star orbiting the first at a very close range.
Procyon A,B - Type=F5+DA, Magnitudes=0.4+10.7, Distance=11.41 ly
A brilliant yellow-white star, and the eighth brightest star in the sky. With twice the diameter of the Sun, Procyon is also the largest star within 25 light years. Procyon is orbited by a white dwarf companion first seen optically in 1896. The orbital period is 41 years.
61 Cygni A,B - Type=K5+K7, Magnitudes=5.2+6.1, Distance=11.41 ly
This binary system of two orange dwarf stars is famous for being the first star ever to have its distance measured by F Bessel in 1838. Both stars are very similar but are widely separated (86 AU) requiring about



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:27 PM
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Link for above post. I ran out of room.
Universe Within 12.5 Ly

Point being that few of those stars are believed to have planets at all. Much less habitable ones. Also, with only a 15 LY trip each way, they would not be gone "millions of years". Travel at .999C for 30 days ship time and 670 days pass on Earth. 8040 days for a year. Call it 120,000 days. Call it 329 years more or less.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:29 PM
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The closer you travel to the speed of light,the more time dilation will occur...

I didnt start this thread to argue about numbers...

I'm just trying to show that this is what aliens in flying saucers might be...



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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You is as equally brilliant as you is crazy!
I hope you feel the love.


I'll think about this one...and if'n I come up with anything, I'll Schwarzenegger.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:33 PM
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Good explanation op.. plausible,and reasonable


I'm confident that there are tell tale signs all over the place we're just not as sophisticated as we think to see it.. one day though. S&F btw



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:36 PM
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I like your thinking. Thats an interesting theorie of yours.
i strongly belief we been visted in the ancient times all the way till present days. theres just to much evidence and traces left behind that you could only come to this conclusion.
i always thought that the pyramids were in fact a lot older than they say they are. maybe some advanced race build them and someday reached an very advanced level and left this planet. the first egyptians found them and tryed to replicate them but could never get that same precision like the great pyramid.
but who knows! maybe i watched to much ancient aliens



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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The intelligent,bi-pedal reptilian and insectoid aliens that people have seen onboard the flying saucers many times,could very well be highly advanced species of dinosaur like the velociraptor and insect like the praying mantis,who both evolved high intelligence and attained advanced technology many millions of years ago and as bizarre as that sounds and as strange as that seems,its very possible...

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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I think this theory, while "wild", is INTERESTING.

It would explain *why* they are visiting here since the mathematical chances are otherwise extremely small, even if we assume that there are many civilizations out there.
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:25 PM
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The greys,insectoids and reptilian aliens have all been seen together onboard flying saucers and the reptilians and or the insectoids may have discovered the greys living on another planet in another galaxy and brought some of them back to earth...

Even the human looking nordic aliens might be ancient earth astronauts returning from interstellar explorations...
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:34 PM
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If this is true, imagine their surprise and horror upon returning here to earth, then quickly finding out that their civilizations they left behind, their mothers and fathers, their brothers, sisters and children, are all dead and gone,went extinct long ago and another species has since arisen and taken over their world...Humans...Wow...

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Yeah and maybe the cone heads too!



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:47 PM
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If it is a species that travels at or under the light speed by means of propulsion then it would make more sense that the ships are un-manned because the time it would take for a ship traveling at those speeds to travel to and fromour planet and theirs is quite large.

First of all for matter to travel even at 99% of the speed of light it would require the energy of many suns. To reach 100% it would take an infinite amount of energy, theoretically more than our universe. When matter reaches these speeds it is very unlikely that any living organism could survive. The brain itself may fail to function properly since its process of thought revolves around the transfer of energy, which would not occur at the speed of light. No, it would be much more efficient to send off a probe that could relay instant faster than light information (which is a technology we almost possess at this time).

If we are being visited by living beings it must be either life forms that travel under the speed of light and have ships large enough to house a whole reproducing society. If they have harnessed the power of space warping or trans dimensional traveling then the travel time would not be an issue and your point would be moot. If these beings are the latter, then their technology is likely beyond what mankind would ever possess, at least without further evolution or other means of genetic engineering.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:00 AM
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A class-3 civilization would be able to harvest suns and position them near the event horizons of super massive black holes and channel the energy their interaction would pruduce,among all sorts of other fantastic technological creations and psychological prowess that would dwarf our greatest achievements,making our abilities seem very insignificant and virtually meaningless in comparison ...

And even though humanity has gone from relying upon horse drawn wagons and carriages in 1900,to using nuclear powered aircraft carriers in 1961,in just 60 years,we are still not even a class-1 civilization yet...

Class-2 and class-3 civilizations very well may have arisen and fallen within the distant past on earth,long before humans arrived...

One example of that happening,of them existing in the past on earth is staring us all in the face,its right in front of us hiding in plain sight,the great pyramid...
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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:12 AM
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Speed doesn't change the passage of time though it might change the experience. It may feel like thousands of years but both men would have had the same amount of time pass.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:28 AM
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To conceive a notion that a species have lived here and evolved the technology to leave and later return is possible and credible enough to give a test in theory. I applaud the inventiveness however I would quickly dismiss it as being factual or even probable after giving the test of theory.

The reason being is that there are no remnants of any such civilization existing. There are bones found of pre humans all the way back to dinosaurs but nothing further excavated. There will be signs of our trespasses for millions of years if we were to leave. Also, there is no motive for any species to leave their home world which is prospering and fit for survival. The pyramids are old but there are 60,000 year old human paintings. Basicly there is little room in the periods of earths history for any species to have evolved and built that kind of technology.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 01:05 AM
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The writers for an episode of Star Trek, I believe the Voyager series explored the possibility of intelligent life here on Earth in the past. In one episode they encountered a very advanced species of alien that looked reptilian but had two legs. Using dna tests they concluded that there was a high probability the alien species came from Earth millions of years ago. Then they speculated that they knew a large comet was going to hit and they ventured off into space, eventually losing knowledge of where they came from as most life on this planet became extinct. It was one of the few episodes where the Earth technology was extremely inferior to the alien technology. Of course anyone could imagine that a species millions of years older than humans would have advanced a long way.

There could be remains of aliens or what some think of as aliens underground in a number of places here. Many conspiracy threads on this site suggest this is so some suggesting that they really aren't aliens but past residents of this planet and that the knowledge is being kept hidden from the public. There are other threads discussing how if our governments revealed that we don't really own this planet and that others claim this planet as their own, it would only create panic and fear. Well the other threads may not spell it out like I just did but it is in there. Using this line of reasoning, our governments may be hiding remains of ancient residents here on Earth and possibly on other planets whenever we start exploring our solar system. There are some threads indicating remains of giant humanoids in the American southwest for instance. Any civilization that was around millions of years ago would likely be buried deep deep down in the Earth and if our governments are keeping secrets, then the possibility of avoiding public fear or the possibility of finding ancient advanced technology or artifacts would be a reason to do so.

I believe the closer you travel to the speed of light, the less time passes for you. If someone was able to travel at the speed of light which the current thinking is that it's impossible but if you could, then time would cease to exist since I believe time is flowing at the speed of light. I believe any species that was capable of creating a massive amount of spacecraft and that actually did so, would leave a lot of artifacts all over the place even if they got wiped out. Evidence of mining operations on the moon and other places that aren't as easily hidden would likely provide clues but we aren't exploring for signs of past intelligent life that I know of.

Even if these clues were found, our governments probably would keep it secret. For example if the US found an abandoned alien base on the Moon with a number of artifacts, why would they invite other nations to share after we spent all the money to explore the place risking American lives in the process? Humans tend to keep secrets and keep things for themselves unless they have a reason to trade or share that knowledge. I doubt too many nations are going to share out of the goodness of their heart. They want money, knowledge or something else. That's only being human. Maybe some species of alien is kind and sharing without expecting anything in return.

I suppose one reason human nations might share is for a common defense to share resources against a foe that the public doesn't know about.
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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
Lets imagine two people named Mike and Mary who are both 30 years old...

Mike and Mary synchronize their watches...

Mary takes off in a space ship and travels near the speed of light,which is an incredible 670,616,629 miles an hour...

While Mike stays on earth...

Lets say that Mary travels in her space ship at that speed for 70 years...

Lets say that Mike continues living on earth for 70 years...

Now for both Mike and Mary,time will seem to be passing by at the same rate...

Because time is relative to someones perspective...

Mike will perceive 70 years passing by normally for him on earth...

Mary will perceive 70 years passing by normally for her inside her spaceship...

But when Mary returns,the incredible and amazing effects of time dilation will be revealed...

Because in reality,what Mike perceived as 70 years going by and what Mary perceived as 70 years going by,will be very different...

Mary will be 100 years old when she returns to earth...

Mike will be long gone,even though he died when he was 100 years old,he died many thousands of years earlier...


No, Time Dialation would allow Mary to get to her destination really quickly, and also return fast but 70 years woud have passed on Earth.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 03:35 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
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A class-3 civilization would be able to harvest suns and position them near the event horizons of super massive black holes and channel the energy their interaction would pruduce,among all sorts of other fantastic technological creations and psychological prowess that would dwarf our greatest achievements,making our abilities seem very insignificant and virtually meaningless in comparison ...

And even though humanity has gone from relying upon horse drawn wagons and carriages in 1900,to using nuclear powered aircraft carriers in 1961,in just 60 years,we are still not even a class-1 civilization yet...

Class-2 and class-3 civilizations very well may have arisen and fallen within the distant past on earth,long before humans arrived...

One example of that happening,of them existing in the past on earth is staring us all in the face,its right in front of us hiding in plain sight,the great pyramid...
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Excellent point~! S&F! Something I want to point out..



And even though humanity has gone from relying upon horse drawn wagons and carriages in 1900,to using nuclear powered aircraft carriers in 1961,in just 60 years,we are still not even a class-1 civilization yet...


There is a thread on ATS that a member posted about a year ago and what was very odd, he posted it the same day I had the same thought, before I read his post.. His theory was, the aliens we are experiencing is actually ....Humans from the future.

Base upon your quote above, giving the time we've went from horse to Nuclear in just a mere 60 years, says A LOT in my opinion.......what interesting is also to note that, and I'm ONLY using this to help describe my point, is that in Revelation 22 states ......."a new heaven & a new Earth"..........If the ET's that we are experiencing are humans+time delineation+Class 3 human civilization=is exactly what your describing. (I don't hold to the theory of lizard/insects race)

What IF, since history tends to repeat itself, if humans had advance to a point where we just get to a pentacle of technology and TPTB use it to against ourselves and we crash and start over.
because of our Class 3 tech we have .. cloning wouldn't be a issue..

I've also seen on UFO hunters where a woman stated that the dark eyed 'aliens' are really a remote controlled, highly sophisticated tech robot and the real ET's are humanoids based upon her encounter.

Interesting also to note is; if cloning process is advanced enough, AA theory might be true, but the their NOT aliens, their US/humans trying to stop ourselves from destroying ourselves, in the future.

ALL this is based upon if TD is actually true and proven.

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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
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If this is true, imagine their surprise and horror upon returning here to earth, then quickly finding out that their civilizations they left behind, their mothers and fathers, their brothers, sisters and children, are all dead and gone,went extinct long ago and another species has since arisen and taken over their world...Humans...Wow...

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As sophisticated as these beings would be, that is if they were able to harness the speed of light, I can't help but wonder if they added this into their calculations.

Then again since mass changes at the speed of light, and Einsteins theory is correct by stating mass would change to the equivalent of space itself at the speed of light.. why not a wormhole?

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