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Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
colbe can't give any rational or logical reasons for adherring to catholicism:
I've asked colbe in so many other threads to clarify things about the RCC, and colbe usually just blows off the questions he can't answer...
Colbe....we're not picking on you. We are Truth crusaders, and the RCC has no place in Raw Truth...
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
The point im making is that there is no power in the universe that is strong enough to take you away from God, no one can snatch you out of his hand and this includes yourself. Once you give yourself to him it is a done deal and Jesus confirms this in John 10.
John 10: 25:30
25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father’s name, they bear witness of Me. 26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand. 30 I and My Father are one.”
This is in after Jesus tells the pharisees in John 10 that he is the Good Shepherd. I know you know this but Colbe for some reason seems to not know these things. You cannot remove yourself from his grasp once he has you, or this makes you more powerful than God which is impossible. Works without faith is dead, faith without works is also dead, your works shall manifest through your faith. If you do not have the faith, you will not have the works because your works mean nothing.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by colbe
So your response is to share non scriptural gobbledegook that has no basis in the bible. You can't even use correct contextual scripture to make your case, instead you rely on a dead woman (Mary) who gives you messages in emails and one verse out of an entire chapter or sequence of chapters to throw stumbling blocks in a real christian's path.
What you do is no different than what secular people and nonbelievers pull and that should worry you, but somehow i doubt that it does.
Eternal Life is something we possess in degrees and that corresponds to how close we have grown to Christ
Jesus says first in verse 28 ~
"And I give them eternal life"...
When does this happen? After we are justified, Jesus is speaking of Heaven. No one will snatch us from His hand in Heaven, we've made it.
Mary is not dead, this has been explained 100 times, no a 1000 times.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
Mary is not dead, this has been explained 100 times, no a 1000 times.
Then we can speak to any dead person huh that has passed? You're missing the point, Christ has a RESURRECTED body, Mary does NOT. She will be resurrected at the harpazo with the others dead in Christ.
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by colbe
Eternal Life is something we possess in degrees and that corresponds to how close we have grown to Christ
That makes little sense...
Life is either eternal or its not...
I'll give you a star for that reply though ( not the one above )
edit on 6-4-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by colbe
Jesus says first in verse 28 ~
"And I give them eternal life"...
When does this happen? After we are justified, Jesus is speaking of Heaven. No one will snatch us from His hand in Heaven, we've made it.
Colbe that's NOT true. Jesus says those who believe already "hath" eternal life. That's past tense, and imperative tense in the Greek.
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:24
Every one of those verbs are past tense in English, and imperative tense in the Greek. It's already a done deal when one places their trust in Him.
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”
Originally posted by Lionhearte
reply to post by colbe
Not really. I will quote two passages Jesus himself spoke, and let you decide..
Matthew 7:21 -
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven."
Mary is in Heaven, she is the Ark of the New Covenant
I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”