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Originally posted by AGWskeptic
So wait, this means that lawyer from Nigeria was telling the truth?
There really are warehouses with U.S. bonds in them?
Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
Originally posted by grubblesnert
P.S. they are not fake. The US gave them to China in 1938 when they took their gold for "safe keeping" and never gave it back
BS - that is the story told by the Philipine hucksters to get people to invest in crackpot schemes to find and redeem them - they regularly turn up in there in amounts of 10's of Billions, and i$2 Trillion in 2001
They ARE fake - they are well known to be fake, and anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to send me some dosh - I'll sell you some for only 50% of the face value!!
There are three possible conclusions which may come from it. First, there may have been a massive piece of money-laundering committed by a major Government who should know better. Effectively, it undermined the integrity of a British bank, the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second possibility is that a major American department has an agency which has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which it is seeking to get at least €50 billion as a pay-off. The third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud, which has not been carried out, but which has been prepared to provide a threat to one Government or more if they do not make a pay-off. These three possibilities need an urgent review.
In April and May 2009, the situation started with the alleged transfer of $5 trillion to HSBC in the United Kingdom. Seven days later, another $5 trillion came to HSBC and three weeks later another $5 trillion. A total of $15 trillion is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland. We need to look to where this came from and the history of this money. I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and where it has come from for a long time.
Originally posted by cerebralassassins
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
Its common knowledge that China's interventions with billions into Africa was an expected outcome once the USSR lost its standing and as such China simply moved in and with money lending has secured resourses for a great many decades. But i do feel that at some point China to will be tangled into a web that only military action will ease its burden.
There a thousands of link regarding sudan and chinese trade and relations. What needs to be said is that everything happened within hours of when this story broke yesterday. The tie up of the money lending to extended loans, the euro crisis going into over drive, everything about the instability within europe during the week and its building into a climax and then we have this news. Italian and Swiss police arresting mafia for 6 trillion. Umm..okay that kind of news does not happen and the circumstances regarding names of countries mentioned and transaction is again is not a coincidence.
OK -- you could be a writer for some TV shows, but I don't think your scenario really makes sense of this situation;
1) To use forge notes on old documents and sell them to shady characters -- you need SOMEONE with a reputation. Your whole scenario requires TRUST which you don't have unless you've been doing business with them before.
2) Unless you can become anonymous really quickly -- trading bogus notes with despots and the mob isn't a good idea -- which kind of makes #1 a lot tougher, as having a reputation and dealing in these realms is a long term business that you've just burnt.
3) $6 Trillion is more than the world economy in 1935 -- so why are you bothering to scam that much with old paper? You scam one or two clients and then the word gets around that you've moved more money than the France had at the time. And why make $6 Trillion when your scam can ONLY work with $300 Million or less? That's about 500 scam deals you are wasting good antique paper on.
4) These are Federal US Bonds -- they'd be expired by now if you are trying to convince people they are 80 years old.
Originally posted by Equ1nox
reply to post by cerebralassassins
Great post!! thank you, this is a valuable piece of knowledge to back up the whole bonds for gold story. People go crazy over the amounts, but it's as simple as this... If you could just write down any number you wanted in the world on a piece of paper and exchange it for solid gold that would be a pretty good scam. You have no intention of letting them cash the bonds so it doesn't matter what numbers you fabricate. This is exactly what happened when the US stole the gold from the east in exchange for worthless pieces of paper.
The bonds expired not long ago and the east have realised that they have been scammed, their pieces of paper are worthless and the US is never going to give the gold back.
Thank you for your post, a valuable piece of the jigsaw to go with the whole 1930's gold for bonds scam that is one of the reasons why the world is changing, the US scammed the east and now it's coming to a head
Originally posted by graphuto
Also, if this website is really populated by intelligent people, why is THIS story not at the top of the list and flagged 500 times? I mean, this is HUGE if these things really aren't counterfeit...