Italian police seize record $6 trillion of fake US bonds

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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Can you spell out this link between Sudan and China more? An actual LINK would help


$6 Trillion can buy a few countries... what you are talking about is a rounding error on that amount.

If the $6 Trillion is meant to cover Sudan and a lot of other countries;
1) who benefits besides Nigeria or Sudan?
2) HOW do these Bonds get converted to be useable for such purposes?
3) when did the US do anything humanitarian - much less covertly?

I'm sticking with my three theories until someone comes up with better.
1) It's being used by a large "BRICK" nation to sabotage our economy.
2) It's counterfeit Bonds so that it can replace REAL BONDS for a group of large banks or corporations who want to get their money out of US treasuries or take advantage of the money while ignoring the risk.
3) It's a 1-sided trade to create demand for US Treasury Bonds, and this probably happens every year. It's being CALLED counterfeit, so that people don't start looking at what bogus money was used to procure the Bonds in the first place.

>> We probably will never know much beyond the; "we found this little problem but it's all taken care of -- don't worry folks" speech we usually get. The things that get hyped are NOT an issue, and the momentous things that get a little coverage and the "it's OK" speech are the things we SHOULD be paying attention to.




posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Still waiting on the other outlets to lets loose with updates. If this doen't have any updates what so ever then its obviously pretty much real and the majority of posts hit the bulls eye.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by AGWskeptic
So wait, this means that lawyer from Nigeria was telling the truth?
There really are warehouses with U.S. bonds in them?
Damn it.


Where did you see this article? I admit it -- I'm too lazy to read the OP article. LOL

>> And I agree -- your avatar is cool.

Maybe you could use the pepper-spraying policeman, but then maybe it would become too obscure.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:55 PM
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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by grubblesnert


P.S. they are not fake. The US gave them to China in 1938 when they took their gold for "safe keeping" and never gave it back


BS - that is the story told by the Philipine hucksters to get people to invest in crackpot schemes to find and redeem them - they regularly turn up in there in amounts of 10's of Billions, and i$2 Trillion in 2001

They ARE fake - they are well known to be fake, and anyone who thinks otherwise is welcome to send me some dosh - I'll sell you some for only 50% of the face value!!




Bonds MIGHT have a 20 year lifespan on them. Note's, T-Bills and Zero Coupon Bonds would all be expired by now.

>> Unless we all fly down there with some chemistry kits -- I don't know how WE are going to know they are fake or not. I've kind of gotten ambivalent to news agencies, and I think you can only know 2 of the following with any certainty; Who, What, Why, Where, When and How. The Names and Dates are correct -- the rest is subject to the Golden Rule.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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Its common knowledge that China's interventions with billions into Africa was an expected outcome once the USSR lost its standing and as such China simply moved in and with money lending has secured resourses for a great many decades. But i do feel that at some point China to will be tangled into a web that only military action will ease its burden.

There a thousands of link regarding sudan and chinese trade and relations. What needs to be said is that everything happened within hours of when this story broke yesterday. The tie up of the money lending to extended loans, the euro crisis going into over drive, everything about the instability within europe during the week and its building into a climax and then we have this news. Italian and Swiss police arresting mafia for 6 trillion. Umm..okay that kind of news does not happen and the circumstances regarding names of countries mentioned and transaction is again is not a coincidence.
www.foreignpolicy.com...



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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OK -- you could be a writer for some TV shows, but I don't think your scenario really makes sense of this situation;
1) To use forge notes on old documents and sell them to shady characters -- you need SOMEONE with a reputation. Your whole scenario requires TRUST which you don't have unless you've been doing business with them before.

2) Unless you can become anonymous really quickly -- trading bogus notes with despots and the mob isn't a good idea -- which kind of makes #1 a lot tougher, as having a reputation and dealing in these realms is a long term business that you've just burnt.

3) $6 Trillion is more than the world economy in 1935 -- so why are you bothering to scam that much with old paper? You scam one or two clients and then the word gets around that you've moved more money than the France had at the time. And why make $6 Trillion when your scam can ONLY work with $300 Million or less? That's about 500 scam deals you are wasting good antique paper on.

4) These are Federal US Bonds -- they'd be expired by now if you are trying to convince people they are 80 years old.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Details

www.publications.parliament.uk...



There are three possible conclusions which may come from it. First, there may have been a massive piece of money-laundering committed by a major Government who should know better. Effectively, it undermined the integrity of a British bank, the Royal Bank of Scotland, in doing so. The second possibility is that a major American department has an agency which has gone rogue on it because it has been wound up and has created a structure out of which it is seeking to get at least €50 billion as a pay-off. The third possibility is that this is an extraordinarily elaborate fraud, which has not been carried out, but which has been prepared to provide a threat to one Government or more if they do not make a pay-off. These three possibilities need an urgent review.

In April and May 2009, the situation started with the alleged transfer of $5 trillion to HSBC in the United Kingdom. Seven days later, another $5 trillion came to HSBC and three weeks later another $5 trillion. A total of $15 trillion is alleged to have been passed into the hands of HSBC for onward transit to the Royal Bank of Scotland. We need to look to where this came from and the history of this money. I have been trying to sort out the sequence by which this money has been created and where it has come from for a long time.





posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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For the love of god most of these massive denomination bonds seem to be


Gold certificates

There is no expiration


Why are modifying the story as the thread continues ? BecAuse the media changed the terms?



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 08:59 PM
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This got less NEWS coverage and column inches than the Megaupload copyright BS.

Funny how that is.....I smell a deeper conspiracy with the BONDS.

Lets see what has or might cost 6 trillion in the next year? Maybe a world war???????? mmmmmm



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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WOW ~!!!!!!!


Star for this video alone!! I'm so shocked I have no words, except, I seriously wish someone had the gonads to step up to the plate and swing away at this with a chainsaw to really open this up..............

............Greenspan needs to be to have thumbs screws put to this as well as the Fed Rev itself. PERIOD.



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 10:28 PM
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GULP~!

Need to post this for reference..



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:09 AM
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Originally posted by cerebralassassins
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
 


Its common knowledge that China's interventions with billions into Africa was an expected outcome once the USSR lost its standing and as such China simply moved in and with money lending has secured resourses for a great many decades. But i do feel that at some point China to will be tangled into a web that only military action will ease its burden.

There a thousands of link regarding sudan and chinese trade and relations. What needs to be said is that everything happened within hours of when this story broke yesterday. The tie up of the money lending to extended loans, the euro crisis going into over drive, everything about the instability within europe during the week and its building into a climax and then we have this news. Italian and Swiss police arresting mafia for 6 trillion. Umm..okay that kind of news does not happen and the circumstances regarding names of countries mentioned and transaction is again is not a coincidence.
www.foreignpolicy.com...



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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OK -- you could be a writer for some TV shows, but I don't think your scenario really makes sense of this situation;


May I use the first part of this as a recommendation on LinkedIn?


1) To use forge notes on old documents and sell them to shady characters -- you need SOMEONE with a reputation. Your whole scenario requires TRUST which you don't have unless you've been doing business with them before.


Never underestimate the power of greed.


2) Unless you can become anonymous really quickly -- trading bogus notes with despots and the mob isn't a good idea -- which kind of makes #1 a lot tougher, as having a reputation and dealing in these realms is a long term business that you've just burnt.


But the people running this scam are the mob. The case was cracked by the anti-Mafia squad.


3) $6 Trillion is more than the world economy in 1935 -- so why are you bothering to scam that much with old paper? You scam one or two clients and then the word gets around that you've moved more money than the France had at the time. And why make $6 Trillion when your scam can ONLY work with $300 Million or less? That's about 500 scam deals you are wasting good antique paper on.


Yes, the face value of the bonds recovered exceeded the net worth of the United States in 1935. That's a sure sign that they are bogus. If the scam even works once, you've made $100 million profit. Sounds like a good investment to me. Yes, printing $6 trillion worth of notes sound ridiculous, but no-one would ever see them all. You could claim any amount you think credible.


4) These are Federal US Bonds -- they'd be expired by now if you are trying to convince people they are 80 years old.


Try explaining that to people who think they prove Ben Fulford's fantasy is real. At least the story I tell is plausible. (You can even verify the facts independently.)



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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Not sure if it has been mentioned about the metal box used to hold the bonds? I noticed the article on Blacklisted news.So I figured I would see if the boxes were sold as antiques. I was surprised at what I found.

The Blacklisted news story.
www.blacklistednews.com...

And heres something I found. This box was sold.

The data tag of the photo shows.
"img.alibaba.com/img/buyoffer/103424474/Treaty_of_Versailles_Boxes_TOV"

Heres the link to the place where it was bought from.
importer.alibaba.com...

Seems they were quick to delet data. But the photo still pops up.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 11:18 AM
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Whats amazing is that in a four week period an amount equal to 103% of the United States annual Gross Domestic Product was deposited into one bank and the amount is also equivalent to the total US Debt.

USA GDP

US Debt

edit on 19-2-2012 by etshrtslr because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Good research, Star for you.

The box they are showing doesn't look right when compared to real fed mother boxes. But it makes sense to counterfiet a box to make the bonds seem more real.

I don't know what to make of this.



posted on Feb, 19 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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Originally posted by Equ1nox
reply to post by cerebralassassins
 


Great post!! thank you, this is a valuable piece of knowledge to back up the whole bonds for gold story. People go crazy over the amounts, but it's as simple as this... If you could just write down any number you wanted in the world on a piece of paper and exchange it for solid gold that would be a pretty good scam. You have no intention of letting them cash the bonds so it doesn't matter what numbers you fabricate. This is exactly what happened when the US stole the gold from the east in exchange for worthless pieces of paper.

The bonds expired not long ago and the east have realised that they have been scammed, their pieces of paper are worthless and the US is never going to give the gold back.

Thank you for your post, a valuable piece of the jigsaw to go with the whole 1930's gold for bonds scam that is one of the reasons why the world is changing, the US scammed the east and now it's coming to a head


Seems a person wants to make a case for his election.

One crime family selling out another to look "holy" to the masses. Genius,



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:55 AM
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While reading another post about the salvage company recovering lost Spanish Silver, I noticed that their were US diplomatic cables discussing it. Is there anything relating to the large amount of bonds recovered in '09 mentioned in any of the cables? That would be interesting.



posted on Feb, 20 2012 @ 09:59 PM
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Wow



posted on Feb, 28 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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Originally posted by graphuto
Also, if this website is really populated by intelligent people, why is THIS story not at the top of the list and flagged 500 times? I mean, this is HUGE if these things really aren't counterfeit...



how is it not huge if they *are* counterfeit?

No matter how you look at it, 6 trillion is huge.





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