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Vatican told to pay taxes as Italy tackles budget crisis

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Thats a good point.

Lets hope the UK does the same to the 'Crown City of London" or maybe Washington.


There are two Crowns operant in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II. Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild). They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply 'The City.'

The City is not a part of England, just as Washington is not a part of the USA. The City is referred to as the wealthiest square mile on earth and is presided over by a Lord Mayor who is appointed annually. When the Queen wishes to conduct business within the City, she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple (Templar) Bar where she requests permission to enter this private, sovereign state. She then proceeds into the City walking several paces behind the Mayor. Her entourage may not be clothed in anything other than service uniforms.


There are far to many tax exempt billionaire businesses in this world today.




posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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Isn't the Vatican a separate district from Italy... ?

Like how Washington DC is separate from the 50 states



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:19 PM
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Yes, the Vatican, like Monaco and Singapore are sovereign "City States".. the only three on the planet right there.

They make up categories of city states to pretend that Washington DC nor London are exactly "City States" .... but something tells me that many know better.... en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Actually DC residents have the opposite problem, they are taxed without representation. Work your head around that one.
They have non voting representatives.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:38 PM
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The church closes them all and lets the state take care of the masses.
Who will promptly get rid of the lawmakers and make new laws.
The same thing happened in France as only St Vincent de Paul held
the people in check tending to hospitals and the poor while the corrupt
government was held to a reasonable level. Vincent was the only asset
France had. The corrupt will stand alone without church help as to say
don't do me any favors tend to your own hospital and services which
fail by corruption. The church or any one else wouldn't loan them any
money so this tax call is a truly exposing desperate measures by people
too ignorant to know their position.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Demoncreeper

This gesture could help restore faith in the actual message of religion. If one was religious. Or at least show that they stood for what they preached. I dunno.
By kowtowing to a corrupt government. Barry? is that you?



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 04:12 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte

Originally posted by Demoncreeper

This gesture could help restore faith in the actual message of religion. If one was religious. Or at least show that they stood for what they preached. I dunno.
By kowtowing to a corrupt government. Barry? is that you?


Who does it hurt for one fraud to kowtow to another?



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by goldcoin
 


Thats a good point.

Lets hope the UK does the same to the 'Crown City of London" or maybe Washington.


There are two Crowns operant in England, one being Queen Elizabeth II. Although extremely wealthy, the Queen functions largely in a ceremonial capacity and serves to deflect attention away from the other Crown, who issues her marching orders through their control of the English Parliament. This other Crown is comprised of a committee of 12 banks headed by the Bank of England (House of Rothschild). They rule the world from the 677-acre, independent sovereign state known as The City of London, or simply 'The City.'

The City is not a part of England, just as Washington is not a part of the USA. The City is referred to as the wealthiest square mile on earth and is presided over by a Lord Mayor who is appointed annually. When the Queen wishes to conduct business within the City, she is met by the Lord Mayor at Temple (Templar) Bar where she requests permission to enter this private, sovereign state. She then proceeds into the City walking several paces behind the Mayor. Her entourage may not be clothed in anything other than service uniforms.


There are far to many tax exempt billionaire businesses in this world today.


You aren't English are you? Do you really think that the city of London is not part of England? Where on earth did you get that pile of garbage from?



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 05:46 PM
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What currency does the Vatican use?


Vatican City issues its own coins. It has used the euro as its currency since 1 January 1999, owing to a special agreement with the European Union (council decision 1999/98/CE). Euro coins and notes were introduced in 1 January 2002—the Vatican does not issue euro banknotes. Issuance of euro-denominated coins is strictly limited by treaty, though somewhat more than usual is allowed in a year in which there is a change in the papacy.[49] Because of their rarity, Vatican euro coins are highly sought by collectors.[50] Until the adoption of the Euro, Vatican coinage and stamps were denominated in their own Vatican lira currency, which was on par with the Italian lira.


en.wikipedia.org...

So they have their own currency in their own sovereign state... therefore Italy has no claim

But they now use the Euro...

Did not Jesus say "Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's" (Ἀπόδοτε οὖν τὰ Καίσαρος Καίσαρι καὶ τὰ τοῦ Θεοῦ τῷ Θεῷ Matthew 22:21).

Seems to me that issue was also over taxes to Rome... and seems to me they should listen to their Founder




posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by kn0wh0w


the estimated savings are ranging from 600 million to 2.2 billion euros, ANUALLY!

some are calling this a victory for public pressure.

insiders in the vatican say there's a war raging within the vatican.

'things are falling apart'

well i for one am glad these things are starting to fall apart.

but what do you think about the topic at hand?

should the vatican be required to pay taxes?

i think they should.

www.independent.co.uk< br /> (visit the link for the full news article)


The Vatican state is apart from Italy, this is just scare-mongering but I know from another thread you like to be provoative. Please tell me that the major union leaders in the UK who leech subscriptions from their subscribers should be forced to pay back their £200k+ 'wages' and you've got a decent thread.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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This is not about the Vatican (the country) paying taxes to Italy (the country). This is about Vatican-owned properties in Italy being exempt from property taxes, just like all religious institutions in the United States are exempt from paying property taxes for their real estate holdings that are non-commercial in nature. This includes churches and chirch schools.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 07:09 PM
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Originally posted by goldcoin
Why would the Vatican pay taxes to Italy? They're independent of Italy. It would be like asking Canada to pay taxes to the US.



They are saying properties outside of the actual Vatican (I assume, as the Vaticans worth alone would amount to over $600m in taxes) which would not be considered part of the Vatican's sovereign territory.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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“Babylon, the things your heart desired have all escaped from you. Every luxury and all your glory will be lost forever. You will never get them back.” Revelations 18:14

This only starts with the Vatican. Other denominations will be affected by the Great Recession, as hungry governments start to devour more assets.

"The ten horns and the beast will start hating the shameless woman. They will strip off her clothes and leave her naked. Then they will eat her flesh and throw the rest of her body into a fire. God is the one who made these kings all think alike and decide to give their power to the beast. And they will do this until what God has said comes true." Revelations 17:16,17 ; CEV

PROPHECY: The financial meltdown, along with cry for “peace and security” will be revitalized by the destruction and looting of all religious organizations.

edit on 17-2-2012 by CodeRed3D because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 07:23 PM
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Im from the UK, how about you? The City that is called London and the City of London (AKA the City of London Corporation) are 2 different things


City of London

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not to be confused with London.


Source

But i dont think its got quite the status that the Vatican has.


Often called The Square Mile, the City is a geographically defined area of the London metropolis. The City is not a London borough, and unbeknownst to almost everybody outside the UK (and to most British people) it has its own distinctive political representative body, the City of London Corporation, which in addition to holding some rather unusual powers - such as the power to organise its own police force - is probably the most powerful and self-interested political lobby in the world.


source



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by DarthMuerte
No they should not. Religious institutions should be free from the state. They should not be subject to the state. It is especially egregious in the case of the Vatican since they are an independent "nation" and they could theoretically classify their churches as consulates or some such.


Well, according to The Bible, my body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit. So my body is a Temple, a Church. So when my body makes a transaction it should not be taxed. Ever. In any way. Hmmph!



posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
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Then Orphan children rely on charity. Not tax money. Not sure what makes "Orphan" children any better than the man down the street. The needy are needy. No life is any more important than another.

Again how come "Orphan" children need my money more than some one else? It is called nature. Trying to solve every single problem of every person is foolish and will drag you down too.


Ummm, seeing as how I'm an adult, and have children, I would say that yes, orphaned children might be a tad bit more important.... By that logic, when the SHTF you wouldn't give your last bit of food for a child to survive..




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