Amnesty International: Iran must halt execution of web programmer

here is the glass house

this fool just converted to Islam and did so badly at that. He was denounced publicly.Still, he was charged like he was an officer or something special selling secrets to the enemy.

David Matthew Hicks (born 7 August 1975 in Adelaide, South Australia)[1] is an Australian who was convicted by the United States of America Guantanamo Military Commission under the Military Commissions Act of 2006, on charges of providing material support for terrorism. Hicks was detained by the United States in Guantanamo Bay detention camp from 2001 until 2007 following earlier para-military training at Al Farouq training camp in Afghanistan during 2001.[2]

Hicks became one of the first people charged[3][4] and subsequently convicted under the United States' Military Commissions Act of 2006. There was widespread Australian and international criticism and political controversy over Hicks' treatment, the evidence tendered against him, his trial outcome, and the newly created legal system under which he was prosecuted.[5][dead link][6][7]

Earlier, during 1999, Hicks converted to Islam,[2] took the name Muhammed Dawood,[8] and was later reported as publicly denounced due to Hicks' lack of religious observance.[9] Hicks was captured in Afghanistan in December 2001 by the Afghan Northern Alliance and sold for a US$1,000 bounty to the United States military.[8] He was transported to Guantanamo Bay where he was designated an enemy combatant,[10] during which time he alleges he was tortured.

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31 year old Londoner, Talha Ahsan

Ahsan, London University SOAS graduate, suffers from Asperger Syndrome- a form of autism- and has been held in high security prisons since being arrested at his parents’ home in July 2006.

He is accused of supporting Chechen insurgents via a series of websites between 1997 and 2004; one of which was based in the USA, a country he has never been to. He denies all charges and is in proceedings at the European Court of Human Rights.

more BS charges.....this guy is just guilty of being muslim.

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Denver man charged with material support

The FBI on January 21 arrested an Uzbek refugee, Jamshid Muhtorov, who appeared in court on January 23 charged with providing and attempting to provide material support to terrorists for allegedly planning to travel to Pakistan to fight alongside the extremist Islamic Jihad Union (IJU) (CNN, AP, Reuters). Muhtorov was arrested at the Chicago O'Hare International Airport before he could board a plane to Istanbul, Turkey, but he is from Aurora, Colorado, the same Denver suburb that admitted New York City bomb-plotter Najibullah Zazi hailed from.

Members of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force raided a home in an Orlando suburb on January 19 as part of an ongoing investigation (Orlando Sentinel). Neighbors claim the family living at the searched house is connected to an anti-government movement called the Sovereign Citizens.

The Department of Justice on January 23 accused a former CIA officer, John Kiriakou, with disclosing classified information to two reporters, including the identity of a CIA analyst involved in the 2002 hunt for -- and harsh interrogation of -- suspected al-Qaeda member Abu Zubaydah

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so here is a guy that is being charged with the same unprovable BS. He is even given the spotlight by CIA so as to get media coverage......not impressed.

Sovereign Citizens group are at most guilty of fraud and/or money laundering and tax evasion. Not terrorism.

here is a great page to feel injustice and outrage over being charged for lies.

Russell Defreitas - Terrorist Or Political Prisoner?
By Stephen Lendman
4-2-11

Many hundreds of wrongfully convicted men and women languish unjustly in US federal and state prisons, victims of judicial unfairness, get tough on crime policies, a guilty unless proved innocent mentality, three strikes and you're out, and America's bogus war on terror, entrapping law-abiding people for political advantage, especially Muslim's, Washington's target of choice.

Russell Defreitas is one of many, victimized by what the Innocence Project (IP) calls "McJustice - the crisis of indigent defense," or in Defreitas' case, FBI entrapment. No wonder IP tries to free "the staggering numbers of innocent people who remain incarcerated and to bring substantive reform to the system responsible for their unjust imprisonment."

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Anti-terrorism legislation designs various types of laws passed in the aim of fighting terrorism. They usually, if not always, follow specific bombings or assassinations. Anti-terrorism legislation usually includes specific amendments allowing the state to bypass its own legislation when fighting terrorism-related crimes, under the grounds of necessity.

Because of this suspension of regular procedure, such legislation is sometimes criticized as a form of lois scélérates which may unjustly repress all kinds of popular protests. Critics often allege that anti-terrorism legislation endangers democracy by creating a state of exception that allows authoritarian style of government.

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this is what we are making at home. This is how we will be remembered. The generation that killed the greatest democracy in a long time.

FBI Says Activists Who Investigate Factory Farms Can Be Prosecuted as Terrorists

The FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force has kept files on activists who expose animal welfare abuses on factory farms and recommended prosecuting them as terrorists, according to a new document uncovered through the Freedom of Information Act.

This new information comes as the Center for Constitutional Rights has filed a lawsuit challenging the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (AETA) as unconstitutional because its vague wording has had a chilling effect on political activism. This document adds to the evidence demonstrating that the AETA goes far beyond property destruction, as its supporters claim

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while I think they can get a little batty, I don't think for a second they should be put together with bin laden. That is just Nazi government.

There are so many more......but its hypocrisy to try and say Iran, whom dumbasses want a war with, is any exception when we are doing FAR WORSE.


but you are right.....it is a travesty to detain people for doing nothing. It is criminal to torture and abuse prisoners.
It is base and uncivilized to kill people in chains.

it is all just wrong......where is the outrage for our own people????

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this fool just converted to Islam and did so badly at that. He was denounced publicly.Still, he was charged like he was an officer or something special selling secrets to the enemy.

He was charged like someone who defected to the enemy. He actually trained in a "paramilitary camp." I'm not crazy about Guantanamo, either, but I hope you can see the difference between designing a website and training to kill Americans/Brits/Indians, etc.

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here is a great page to feel injustice and outrage over being charged for lies.

And no-one is arresting the webmaster of that page, much less executing them.

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Why dont you dabble in the truth within our borders first instead of pointing fingers abroad? It is no mystery that efforts to dehumanize american targets including Iran have been steadly enforced for a while now. Why do you scream bloody murder when a nation half a world away does anything reprehensible yet turn a blind eye when worse things happen right here on our national theatre? Your methods reek of bellicose propaganda.

What Iran is doing is religious persecution plain and simple....
Their stated foundation is Islam.....
That is pretty much what their Holy Book can be construed to imply.....(some of it pretty graphic)
Soooooo think about Iran like it was Europe during the time the Pope reigned supreme.....
What did they do?
If truth is important, then it is aparent through out history that most religions, in the past,given the authority for both secular and spiritual goverment,become oppressive regimes.......and even get right enthused about how oppressive too....burning live people etc......
We also engage in barbaric behavior, for somewhat similar reasons, (as well as others.......)

Not looking to pick a fight here, but isnt there some kind of guidance hidden in the truth of those facts?

The overview which i see is a simple one.....
The whole world needs a change of HEART......

I sincerely hope that my goverment will stand firm and do the right thing behind this poor sod....
It is obvious that one cannot judge the gun maker for all the murders committed with his guns.....
The maker of a tool, is not responsible for its missuse.......
This is a fundamental human principal which must be recognized by the regime, when dealing with foriegn peoples....even expatriots....
The man is a Canadian, and no foriegn nation can charge somebody for acts committed legally on the soil of another nation....
Its like you went to switzerland, which has a law against eating or consumng chocolate, and they arrest and kill you for eating a Fat Emma one time in NYCity....???WTF is UP with THAT????

One must admit that this attitude and outlook of intolerance and vindictive and unusually harsh punnishment for what would not even be crimes in may other countries....will have to stop before the world and Islam will co exist on a peaceful basis.

There is no chance of peace between two such dissimilar moral, spiritual, and govermental systems.....

This fundamental truth seems also self evident to me....

Though both sides are EQUALLY GUILTY of SOCIAL CRIMES many differing natures,....finger pointing is not my goal here, and fostering some name calling not the aim of the statement.

What i want to pose here is how on wearth WILL peace BE accomplished?????

The parameters of the whole, have been laid down as such that any amount of compromise will never be enough for either side....
It seems it must be totall surrender or nothing.
From all angles, political, religeous, social, moral, whatever.......
It all works down to a log jam, and a contest of wills when any type of compromise or tollerance is nessessary to make headway in finding ways to peaceful co existance on earth.......

The ROOT Cause of the Desention always boils down eventually to religio social moores......Which spread out into cancer spots in international, and personal relationships....
These persist, and fester forever afterwards

This little side journey is brought to you by my absolute lack of understanding of why this should hold true for the bulk of known history, the fact that humans have been engaged in this behavior (of one type or another)
Since forever.....

How indeed, will Canada, after all, be able to convince the Mullahs who have no qualms about interpretting the Koran to mean this man must be killed for his horrid crime.
How the Heaven to hell does anyone deal with this irrationality?


Here is the nub of the whole freakin problem i believe.....

The same of course goes for the reverse view from the other side......only backwards....
Still , if anybody has any idea how we can get this man home safe, and get past this basic flaw which seems to be the sum total of all pour problems anywhere applicable

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
a nation half a world away does anything reprehensible yet turn a blind eye when worse things happen right here

I'm very capable of doing both ... and I do.
BTW .. show me something WORSE happening here than what is happening to this programmer.
He lives in Canada. Visits relatives in Iran. He gets arrested and sentenced to death because
someone else used his program and made it show some porn.

That would be like you baking a cake ... selling it at a bake sale .. have someone buy it and put
poison in it and then feed it to their spouse ... and then YOU get the death penalty for the murder
but the actual murderer doesn't even get a mention.

That is what is happening.

In response to a couple of posters asking why Canada is allowing this...

He lived in Canada, but that does not make him a Canadian citizen, therefore he is not entitled to the protection of the Canadian government or judicial process.

He remains an Iranian citizen, and therefore is fully subject to Iranian law an judicial process.

Do I believe that he should be executed? No, I don't believe in capital punishment at all. A dead person cannot be brought back to life if ever a miscarriage of justice is discovered, but thats not a discussion for this thread.

Do I believe I am entitled to make a judgment on this guys "crime"? Again, no, because I don't have all the facts, the only facts that we have are ones published on the web by people who may or may not have an agenda of their own, and that includes amnesty international.