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Should it be legal to kill pet cats roaming around the neighbourhood?

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:31 AM
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I'd rather see it legal to kill feral teenagers who bash old people with cricket bats.

I'd pity anyone who ever touched one of my cats should I ever find out they did. Severely bad time for them.




posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
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You put them in a cage or bring them in your house at night, it’s pretty simple. Native species shouldn’t suffer because of a cat owner’s incompetence.

No it is not that simple. A cat does whatever the hell they want. Cats do not like cages and most cats are outdoors cats.

A cat is not a dog.


I know a lot of people with indoor cats...

I agree with other posters, if your animals are out of control they're not actually your domesticated pets



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:36 AM
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Originally posted by TheCommentator
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you all agree that dogs should be able to roam free and that it doesnt matter if they kill a few pet cats right?


How many cats have attacked people after their owners let them run free?

I really don't think you're thinking it through.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Be it cat, dog, chicken, cow, try that over here with someone's animals and you will end up as lobster bait in no time flat. Why would anyone even think they have the right to kill an animal because it is roaming around anyways? Lots of animals roam around free here, and have forever. Don't understand how some people seem to think that animals don't have any rights.....



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:41 AM
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Originally posted by TsukiLunar
You people are a bunch of idiots. Tell me how in the hell you are supposed to keep a cat confined? Cats arent dogs, they dont take commands.



Also, people in apartments own cats...doesn't mean they let them roam the halls of the building because they're too stupid to control their animals.

Some common sense would really help out here



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:47 AM
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I agree with WeRpeons, fine the guardians (I dislike the term owners as it denotes slavery).

Am not a cat person as much as a dog person and letting any domestic animal run loose is begging for trouble.

A few months ago I posted www.abovetopsecret.com... in honor of a beautiful Chocolate lab named Molly in Plano, IL that was hit by a train and killed. A horrible way to die and it could have been prevented.

My sons each have a cat and do not allow them outside at all.

Did you know a cat can get heart worm and unlike a dog heart worm in a cat is fatal?

If anyone is going to have a animal companion, they should be mature enough to take full responsibility for him/her (they are not its).

With my dog, she is allowed out in our fenced in back yard. Both gates are padlocked to avoid someone leaving the gate open.

Lucy is walked 3 miles every day, rain, snow, fair weather (only exception, one night of icy sleet).

While Lucy is outside, I either go out with her or watch from the door and make sure she remains in our yard. She doesn't try to get out, she's such a sweet and good little girl.

What a wild and crazy world we live in - gosh to turn your beloved companion out with no supervision


The person is asking for a accident to happen.



Besides the guardian being fined heavily. after the third time, the animal companion should be removed from the home.

If one loves their companion, they don't just let them loose - besides other dogs, coyotes, crazy people, birds, traps, poison meat left for vermin, fences that collars can get hung up on, cars and trains etc.........letting your fur baby run wild is plain stupid and irresponsible.

Another example is my dog's sister was hit by a truck and survived. Her hip and leg needed extensive repair and the cost was $3,000.

How she turned out I don't know as I received many nasty e-mails from this rescue group condemning me for speaking out on this poor innocent dog's behalf.

Sorry, no, even when you are getting the mail, your dog can wander off.

Some breeds are better than others..............my sister had a tiny poodle that was very smart and stayed in the front yard, (no fence) but never left the property.

My Lucy, while she is almost perfect is a bird dog, and if she sees a bunny, bird, anything that catches her interest I am afraid she would throw caution to the wind and dash right out into the street.

I've had a dog hit by a car, a pug - he slipped between my leg and the door while I leaned over to get the mail in the box attached to the house...........He was killed instantly.

There were no second chances for Pudgy (Pug).
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:48 AM
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this looks like yet another p.e.t.a. propaganda thread.

last incident i knew of where the op's proposition.. A cat owner had his pet poisoned. The cat owner found out who it was and shot the poisoners dogs.

Both men were arrested and put in jail for 5 years.


Lobby, do things in a socially responsible manner didnt cross either of these peoples minds. "Kill unruly pets" might as well read "kill all the unruly kids."

Or maybe notice the bigger infringement on the environment is you.. your home and the city you live in.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:49 AM
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Originally posted by woogleuk
I'm pretty sure cats are classed as vermin, in the UK anyway, so I don't see the problem if they are causing problems with native species.


Cats are not classed as vermin in the UK.

And what native animals are cats killing? Mice and rats which spread diseases. Birds? Well put a collar on it with a bell on so that it can't hunt. End of problem.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by Hawking

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
You people are a bunch of idiots. Tell me how in the hell you are supposed to keep a cat confined? Cats arent dogs, they dont take commands.



Also, people in apartments own cats...doesn't mean they let them roam the halls of the building because they're too stupid to control their animals.

Some common sense would really help out here


Agreed. Cats' movements and actions can be controlled without cruelty. There are also certain areas where cats can roam without causing harm. But the OP is about cats roaming where they shouldn't and killing native animals. I love pet cats and dogs, but I also love and have a responsibility toward our endangered native animals, and so do we all.

To those of you who think I am either an animal hater or an a socipathic cat murderer, I have a heart warming story for you;

I grew up on a farm in New Zealand (a dairy farm for you aussies reading - no sheep were harmed in the writing of this post
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We also lived near a local highway where especially over Christmas many cats would be simply dumped by their uncaring owners and left to fend for themselves. Now, luckily being in a farming area that was devoid of habitat for endangered animals, the cats could cause no harm, but the poor things were left on their own to fend for themselves.....

That is until our family dog, a Kelpie, border collie cross decided she would adopt them. Yes, you read right, our farm dog, decided to open a cat shelter. What she would do is find the cats, show them where to find milk after the milk tanker had left, share her food with them and showed them where they could sleep in the barn, or under the house with her.

These cats were here 'pets' In return they were expected to claw her belly - something she took great delight in. If the cat was not doing it right or was slacking off, the dog would give them a gentle swipe with her paw to let them know to keep doing it.

In the end, our dog ended up with no less that 8 cats, which was a real sight to see.

I could end this story here and leave you all with warm fuzzies about how cute it was that a dog would start it's own cat charity, but there are a couple of lessons that cat owners need to take note of.

a) The fact that our dog managed to adopt 8 cats, means that 8 people cast their pets out into the wild where they could have either perished or strayed into the hills were there are native endangered animals to eat them in order to survive

b) Those cats started to breed and before we knew it 8 cats became about 30. In the end the SPCA had to get involved and help us trap and find them new homes. These cats were not particularly tame to start with; having been dumped by humans and left to fend for themselves they far preferred to trust our dog over humans. So we were never able to pet them or get near them to have them neutered etc until we called in the SPCA

So, please do not think I am a total animal hater and that I am an advocate of shooting cats because they get loose. The issue the OP talks about and I support in principle starts with the owners. If you keep your cat away from areas there are native animals, then we have no problem.

But the sad fact of life is that far too many people do not and these cats are destroying a delicate ecosystem that can't cope with their invasion.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:04 AM
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Leaving a dog or cat to fend for itself now days is cruel.

Call animal control.

No no no..............dogs and cats are domesticated and should be watched exactly like you would watch a toddler.

I saw a video on National Geographics that showed a big bird, (Eagle/Owl) picking up a small cat.

You know that cat was dropped off in the bird's nest and torn apart by it's babies..........nature's way is cruel.

While I am not a cat person, I wouldn't wish that on any cat.....................well I do love Jack my son's 28 pound gray domestic long hair, quite a personality. He's around 21.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:09 AM
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Besides trains and cars, there are a lot of very mean and cruel people out there.

They don't understand that animals have the right to be treated humanely, it's beyond them.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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My two sons share a town house and each have a cat. They have a double door system and watch very closely.

So far we've been lucky, Jack and Farley (Ms. Farley) don't try to leave.

If you have a cat that wants to get out, before you open a outside door, put the cat in a bedroom or basement, or some other room momentarily and shut the door.

Even a crate will do and everyone should have a crate for their companion in case of a emergency evacuation.

And yes, cats can follow orders, my youngest son taught Jack to come when called and both cats do not get on the counters.
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:17 AM
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In a town which i used to live, every once in a while (every few years) they pick a weekend, send out notices to all the towns people to keep their pets indoors on that specific weekend and perform a 'cat cull' the town is so over populated with cats its insane! Which led to another huge problem i noticed when i was there... Was an insanely HUGE flea infestation of basically the entire town.... You can not walk two steps on your yard (anybody's yard) without looking down and seeing at least 20-30 fleas crawling up your socks... When I lived there we had a couple of floods within a couple of weeks time... which flooded my basement (finished basement with bedrooms etc) after which my entire house became infested.... and even 'infested' is a pretty modest description.... I spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars trying to eradicate the problem, with minimal effect at all using some of the strongest flea killing products i could find... I finally gave up hope and moved...

Just my experience.. take it for what you will...



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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I really used to hate cats, especially feral and outdoor domestics. A couple years ago a bunch were dropped off as kittens in the outside wall where I live. I wanted to go and kick their heads off. Slowly but surely every night I would take the trash out and have a smoke the little buggars would follow me. I eventually found myself giving them each a name.

They would grow up, have their own kittens and the process would repeat. Watching the nightly routine of ferals is quite interesting and also a learning experience. They were actually quite delightful the bunch of them, trying to run their own little kitty society in the wall. When one had kittens it would beckon over for us to take a look.

Overtime I noticed less pigeons, roaches, and any other vermin around, the area was clean thanks to them. Until one day one of the domestic males that would watch them from a window managed to get out and went to the wall an "marked" it. That was the beginning of the end for them. Once they get into the "marking" game, the smell is atrocious! They were all captured and sent to a sanctuary property by the hospital to live a good life ridding pest and visiting patients, neutered of course.

Now I have mice I can't get rid of, and am seriously thinking of letting this new feral come inside to have a go at them. Cats most certainly have a place in human society, just beware the urine smell.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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I hope all the people who want cats to be killed, have their homes infested with disease carrying rats.


May the stinging insects of the world seek out your moist areas.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:16 AM
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Cats are very useful for the neighborhood. They catch a lot of small critters that otherwise wouldn't be eaten, such as mice, crickets, cockroaches, etc. We have two cats that live outside (we can't let them in because of allergies). They are also very clean, you never see cat poo lying around, and if they're not running around the yard (and neighborhood, of course our yard is pretty big, about two acres) they are lying around in the sun cleaning themselves. Of course in the summer they don't lie around in the sun. I live in a tropical climate, so you do not have to worry about the winters here. They are perfectly content outside all the time. (We don't have a heater anyway.)

The only problem that is a little annoying is that they will eat the lizards out back, which are nice at catching small ants and what not. I've seen the cats even eat a couple of scorpions. Woot. Cats do not annoy people or the neighborhood. More neighborhoods should have cats. Less pests to deal with. Dogs on the other hand. They should be locked up. They poop everywhere and don't care where. Can't stand it. And they will get territorial and bite you if you walk by them sometimes.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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Cat owners should be held responsible first and foremost, as soon as they stray they should be considered as such and a responsible cat owner would have their cat collared and tagged so the appropriate penalty can be enforced. If not then I guess animal control should take them and either find responsible owners for them or it's the green door most likely.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:20 AM
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i hate when dog owners let their pets poop on other people's lawns.

those dogs need to be corralled and sent to the pound, and their owners fined for the nasty droppings.

-subfab



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:23 AM
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Keeping a cat confined indoors all the time is animal abuse. It goes against a cats nature and can lead to depression in cats.My cat spends most of her time indoors but spends part of the day outside. Cats need to be outdoors regularly. If I ever tried to keep her indoors she would squirm beneath my legs any time the door was open.. I would be trapped indoors. Cats don't hurt anyone when they are out doors, in fact they will run, where as a dog is likely to attack, get into garbage ect.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by ofhumandescent
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Leaving a dog or cat to fend for itself now days is cruel.

Call animal control.

No no no..............dogs and cats are domesticated and should be watched exactly like you would watch a toddler.

I saw a video on National Geographics that showed a big bird, (Eagle/Owl) picking up a small cat.

You know that cat was dropped off in the bird's nest and torn apart by it's babies..........nature's way is cruel.

While I am not a cat person, I wouldn't wish that on any cat.....................well I do love Jack my son's 28 pound gray domestic long hair, quite a personality. He's around 21.


Who said anything about leaving them to fend for themselves?

They have to be allowed to go outside, and unlike dogs, they are not happy to remain confined to a garden. The go and explore.

If you think cats have to be watched like a toddler, no offence intended, you'll make them miserable at best, and possibly send them insane. They need to go outside. They're fantastically athletic, so if you think you can persuade them to stay in your garden, you're mistaken. The only way would be to put them in a cage, which is just plain wrong.

I used to have cats, and had a cat flap, so they could come in and out as they pleased. One never brought any little beasts home, but the other was a huntress. I put a collar on her with a bell, so that potential prey could hear her approaching, and that soon put a stop to the gifts of mice and frogs she used to like to bring us.

Dogs are a different proposition altogether, and I wouldn't allow mine out unsupervised. They're perfectly happy to play in the house and the garden, and be taken on a lead for walks. I let them off when not near the road, and ensure I clean up after them.

Cats and dogs can both pick up parasites, and they can be fatal - that's why you give them worming tablets regularly.
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