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Its a bit annoying when every person starts using the same argument over and over when I have already debunked it
Originally posted by Kratos1220
Originally posted by TheCommentator
reply to post by Kratos1220
f your pet
Real mature, thanks for proving my point.
Second line.
To let you know I do not consider internet forums an area subject to formal grammar.
Originally posted by selfharmonise
Originally posted by TheCommentator
reply to post by selfharmonise
I'm fairly sure I said I would pefer other options but it is obvious cat owners are not willing to take repsonibility and do them.
You probably couldnt have avoided making yourself look like an ignorant.
At the end of the day the cat side has no valid argument
Ignorant is an adjective not a noun, the word you're looking for is ignoramus.
But I believe dunce may be easier for you to spell.
So why do cat owners have the right to let their cats kill animals?
Originally posted by Charmed707
This is the dumbest thread I've ever seen on ATS. It's worse than the reptilian threads. You don't have the right to kill someone or something just because you find them 'annoying'. Cats don't bother anyone anyway. Dogs are the ones that can be destructive. Dogs kill cats, which is worse than cats killing birds if that's what you're referring to.
Keep a cat on a leash?! What an idiotic notion. Cats are not puppets like dogs are and cannot be easily controlled. If the presence of cats bothers you, then that's your problem.
As for the people who have admitted to animal abuse or trivialized it, I can only say I hope you get what's coming to you.
Originally posted by TheCommentator
So why do cat owners have the right to let their cats kill animals?
Cats do bother people but its not the people this is about, its the fact they are killing and endangering native animals.
Dogs are confined which is the responsiblity cat owners need to take also.
The most basic part of keeping a pet is 1. stopping it from hurting itself and 2. stopping it from hurting others; and if cat owners cant do that (which they dont) their animal should be taken away because that is how it would be with any other animal.
In an area where cats are not native it is certianly not worse then a cat killing a bird
If you can think of a way to control humans please explain. Meanwhile there is a way to stop cats from damaging the environment.
Originally posted by Charmed707
reply to post by TheCommentator
Humans are the most invasive species there is. That doesn't mean that killing is justified. Cats don't even make the choice to be 'invasive'.
Originally posted by TheCommentator
If you can think of a way to control humans please explain.
Meanwhile there is a way to stop cats from damaging the environment.
So its brutal for me to kill a cat but its fine for a cat to kill other animals when its not their enviornment as they are an invasive species.
Originally posted by Charmed707
Originally posted by TheCommentator
If you can think of a way to control humans please explain.
The same brutal way that you're suggesting with cats.
Meanwhile there is a way to stop cats from damaging the environment.
They don't damage the environment.
Right, and why is it not sadistic for cat owners to let their cat kill animals? What is the difference?
You're just someone who's jumped on the wildlife bandwagon and using it to excuse your sadistic tendencies.
Originally posted by TheCommentator
reply to post by selfharmonise
Its a bit annoying when every person starts using the same argument over and over when I have already debunked it
- source The impact of domestic cat (Felis catus) on wildlife welfare and conservation: Inbal Brickner
With the arrival of European settlers, cats diffused inland and were spread from multiple coastal introductions in the period 1824-86 (Abbott, 2002). By the 1850’s colonies of feral cats were established in the wild (Biodiversity Group Environment Australia, 1999). Considerable numbers of cats were deliberately released in semi-arid and arid regions in the 1880’s as part of a misguided rabbit control program (Read and Bowen, 2001) and by 1890 nearly all the continent had been colonized by cats (Abbott, 2002). The rapid dispersal of cats throughout Australia was helped by the fact that they have few natural predators or fatal diseases in the continent.
To find out more about the killing habits of cats in Britain, Woods et al. (in press) carried out a survey of almost a thousand cats during the spring and summer of 1997 for the Mammal Society. The respondents were everyday cat owners recruited through a big media drive by BBC Wildlife magazine and followed up with a range of newspaper and magazine articles and radio interviews. Each participating cat owner completed a form with details of their cat including its name, color, age, sex and the amount of food it was given and was asked to document what species the cat killed and brought home between 1st of April and 31st of August. This initial survey was followed up by a questionnaire to the respondents asking for more details about their cat, where it lived and its general environment. The questions included whether or not the owners fed birds and mammals in their garden, whether or not the cat was kept indoors at night and if it wore a bell. Woods et al. (in press) received kill or capture records of 986 cats amounting to a total of 14,370 prey items. The results analysis of the 5-month study indicates that some cats bring more than 37 prey items each year. The total of animals killed and brought home by 9 million cats living in Britain is estimated in the region of 275 million per annum. Although this number is striking it only amounts to the average cat bringing about one prey item every two weeks. However these approximations are probably underestimates, because cats will not bring home all the prey they kill. George (1974) suggested that three farm cats brought home 50% of the prey they captured. Moreover, the survey did not investigate the killing behavior of truly feral cats, which depend on predation for survival. Woods et al. (in press) survey showed that mammals made up 68.6% of the prey items, birds 23.6%, amphibians 4.1%, reptiles 0.9%, fish 0.2%, invertebrates 1.2% and the rest were unidentified. Different studies from around the world showed similar ratio of prey choice, however, the diet of free ranging cats reflects the locally available food (Coleman et al., 1997).
Based on studies from across the US, it is estimated that in the US cats kill over a billion small mammals and millions of birds each year (Coleman et al., 1997). In Virginia, researchers compared free roaming domestic pet cats in a rural setting and a more urban one. Between January and November of 1990 cats caught, on average, 26 native individual prey species in the urban area, and 83 in the rural area (Mitchell and Beck, 1992).
Originally posted by TheCommentator
So its brutal for me to kill a cat but its fine for a cat to kill other animals when its not their enviornment as they are an invasive species.