The Final Battle, Israel vs... Turkey?

Originally posted by 1ibl2ibs
reply to post by Deetermined

 

Correct, but my point was that the Biblical prophecy is pretty detailed as to the exact coalition members. Those exact Muslim nations would likely not consult the Bible to see if they should join up.

You're right.

I just didn't agree with the statements above that Israel was setting the stage and sending false flags to start the battle. The Qu'ran tells the Muslims to do this. The Bible says that GOD would gather these nations to fight Israel and it looks like He's doing it through the Muslim religion.

reply to post by Deetermined

The Bible says that GOD would gather these nations to fight Israel and it looks like He's doing it through the Muslim religion.

The Bible also shows that Israel will be regathered for its final destruction...and that only a "small remnant" shall be spared. This is conveniently ignored by christians, who would rather focus on building ideas around the destruction of muslims.

Funny how christians label everything that isn't what they believe as "evil".... and yet, are infatuated with Israel/Jews... literally anti-christian people who openly mock and oppose Jesus Christ.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


Jeremiah 30:16-20

16 “‘But all who devour you will be devoured;
all your enemies will go into exile.
Those who plunder you will be plundered;
all who make spoil of you I will despoil.
17 But I will restore you to health
and heal your wounds,’
declares the LORD,
‘because you are called an outcast,
Zion for whom no one cares.’

18 “This is what the LORD says:

“‘I will restore the fortunes of Jacob’s tents
and have compassion on his dwellings;
the city will be rebuilt on her ruins,
and the palace will stand in its proper place.
19 From them will come songs of thanksgiving
and the sound of rejoicing.
I will add to their numbers,
and they will not be decreased;
I will bring them honor,
and they will not be disdained.
20 Their children will be as in days of old,
and their community will be established before me;
I will punish all who oppress them.

reply to post by Deetermined


Well, the same bible also has verses that pronounce doom and destruction for Israel.
Or do you simply choose to ignore them?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


You are correct. Here's more about what takes place in Jeremiah 30.

Jeremiah 30:1-11

1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD:
2 “This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: ‘Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you.
3 The days are coming,’ declares the LORD, ‘when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their ancestors to possess,’ says the LORD.”
4 These are the words the LORD spoke concerning Israel and Judah:
5 “This is what the LORD says:

“‘Cries of fear are heard—
terror, not peace.
6 Ask and see:
Can a man bear children?
Then why do I see every strong man
with his hands on his stomach like a woman in labor,
every face turned deathly pale?
7 How awful that day will be!
No other will be like it.
It will be a time of trouble for Jacob,
but he will be saved out of it.

8 “‘In that day,’ declares the LORD Almighty,
‘I will break the yoke off their necks
and will tear off their bonds;
no longer will foreigners enslave them.
9 Instead, they will serve the LORD their God
and David their king,
whom I will raise up for them.

10 “‘So do not be afraid, Jacob my servant;
do not be dismayed, Israel,’
declares the LORD.
‘I will surely save you out of a distant place,
your descendants from the land of their exile.
Jacob will again have peace and security,
and no one will make him afraid.
11 I am with you and will save you,’
declares the LORD.
‘Though I completely destroy all the nations
among which I scatter you,
I will not completely destroy you.
I will discipline you but only in due measure;
I will not let you go entirely unpunished.’

So, yes, they will be punished until they recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah. After they recognize and start serving Him, Jesus will completely restore them. However, the other nations will be completely destroyed.

the present bundle of Sanctions against Iran will drive both Iran & Turkey to closer ties with each other

Iraq will ally its new government with Iran, all except for the American Embassy Fortress which could very well become a repeat of the Berlin airlift siege after WW2

Turkey will become involved with both the Syrian spillover and the Kurds-v-Persian conflict that has been ongoing for decades
but the Syrian-Turkish-Persian-Iraqi Bloc will be struggling with a USA armed Saudi Arabia which will have intentions of countering a potential united caliphate in the region...

so, geo-political strategies are causing a Bloc or Union of Islamic states/caliphate to become a reality,
unintended consequences at play here?


the question is... the Anglo-American stranglehold on the worlds banks/finance systems and the command of some 8,000 nukes.... will that power align with Israel during the gog-magog attack

Originally posted by YouAreLiedTo

Originally posted by 1ibl2ibs
Just so I understand, your point is that Israel is bullying Iran (and perhaps other Islamic countries) so that a coalition will be built to attack them.

You nailed it!

God says that will happen in the Bible because they are praying to another god along with rest of the world who also deny him and he will judge those nations who profane his name and persecute his people and Israel, eventually eitherway Jesus needs to return and if it takes nations to wake up when judgements are sent down then that is what it will take. Not everything will be war but natural disasters too, and the Christians better send out the messages to those places before it gets worse.

From Egypt to Iran that land is Covenant land and God is angry because they not only praying to another god but have set up laws to persecute Jews and Christians and deny christ in the form of law, no different from the ancient Babylonian Kings and Pharaohs. The hanging gardens are no different from Iran's persecution of religious minority or woman.

1 “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of[a] Meshek and Tubal. 2 I will turn you around and drag you along. I will bring you from the far north and send you against the mountains of Israel. 3 Then I will strike your bow from your left hand and make your arrows drop from your right hand.

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7 “‘I will make known my holy name among my people Israel. I will no longer let my holy name be profaned, and the nations will know that I the LORD am the Holy One in Israel. 8 It is coming! It will surely take place, declares the Sovereign LORD. This is the day I have spoken of.
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21 “I will display my glory among the nations, and all the nations will see the punishment I inflict and the hand I lay on them. 22 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God. 23 And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. 24 I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

25 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob[d] and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name. 26 They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid. 27 When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations. 28 Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind. 29 I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign LORD.”

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I think you are a bit confused OP. Israel will never fight against a real army. tHEY ARE COWARDLY CRIMINALS THAT WILL EITHER PAY OFF OUR PUPPETS OR FALSE FLAG THE SHEEP INTO SPILLING OUR CHILDREN'S BLOOD FOR THEM AS THEY HAVE MANY TIMES PREVIOUSLY.

Israel is holding back the forces of Communism and Sharia, the West are now spiritual decendents of Abraham.

God will stir up nations in their defence then the leaders will use silly excuses because they did not know why they went to war because the scope of the situation way beyound their knowlege.

Revelation 12

13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

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The Earth - the Church
The Dragon - The Devil and his alliance
The Woman - Israel
Remanant of the Seed - The Jewish people.
Man Child - Christ
The Eagle - Could be America wings of a great Eagle.

reply to post by The time lord

the West are now spiritual decendents of Abraham.

The West with its secularism, its mocking of God, its blasphemies (under "free speech"), its pride...its tolerance of abortion, pornography, homosexuality, gay pride parades, war crimes etc. ..... are now spiritual descendants of Abraham???

The godless West are spiritual descendants of Sodom and Gomorrah.

From Egypt to Iran that land is Covenant land and God is angry because they not only praying to another god but have set up laws to persecute Jews and Christians and deny christ in the form of law, no different from the ancient Babylonian Kings and Pharaohs.

Except they are praying to the God of Abraham.
Christians, on the other hand, have strayed from the monotheism taught by Jesus and have invented lies like the trinity and other pagan ideas.

The Jews, who you love so much, are the ones who are 100% opposed to Jesus....they call Jesus a false prophet and insult his mother. They are literally "anti-christian" people... the only people on this planet who are incompatible with Jesus... after satanists, of course.

Israel even openly insult Jesus on their national television...Take a look

reply to post by Deetermined

So, yes, they will be punished until they recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah. After they recognize and start serving Him, Jesus will completely restore them. However, the other nations will be completely destroyed.

As usual, special pleading for Israel.
The idea that Jews will suddenly start recognizing and serving Jesus is a product of Christian imagination.

Jews did not "recogize" and "serve" Jesus when he went to them in the flesh, but they will suddenly start doing so in the future?

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


What can I say, that's what the Bible says will happen based on the Bible verses I quoted above.

I'm sure more will turn to Jesus when they see their nation on the brink of total destruction, as outlined in the Bible.

The Messianic Judaism movement already appears to be growing.

Now there are an estimated 150 Jewish congregations around Israel meeting in different languages. The number of believers is estimated to be around 20,000, growing exponentially from 1948 when 12 Jews who believed in Jesus could be counted, to 1987 when there were 3,000 and 1997 where there were 5,000.

www.sbcbaptistpress.org...

Maybe, like others here, they see scriptures from the Bible being fulfilled.