Let me begin by saying I am not a Christian, nor do I belong to any "established" religion. On the same note, I minored in Philosophy and Theology in
college and love learning about ancient religion, and how it fits into human thinking at the time.
I was reading through some threads last night about the end of times, the antichrist, and such on ATS... and decided to get out my bible and read-up a
bit on the topic. The topic that interested me was the "Gog/Magog" argument, since it named nations that (whether correctly or incorrectly) can still
"1 And the word of the LORD came to me saying, 2 “Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the [a]prince of Rosh, Meshech and
Tubal, and prophesy against him 3 and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD, “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, [c]prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal.
4 I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them [d]splendidly
attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; 5 Persia, [e]Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and
6 Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you."
There are many threads discussing Magog/Rosh being Russia, but I decided to research the origins of the tribes/areas/titles mentioned to see what I
found. From what I have researched...
Gog/Magog = "...toward Gog of the land of Magog..." refers to Gog being the title of the leader of the land of Magog, a land that encompassed Meshech
and Tubal. Rosh is known to be a title, meaning chief. Chief prince, or, prince of chiefs of Meshech and Tubal. Gog referred to the leader of the
combined lands at the time. Many kings with similar etymologies have been offered for that role that lived at the time, but to narrow it to one is
For further proof of this, you can look no further than the next chapter in the same book, Ezekial 39:1...
Ezekiel 39: 1 “Son of man, prophesy against Gog and say: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against you, Gog, chief prince of Meshek and
From this we can easily see that Rosh is a title, and Gog is the leader of the land of Magog, that is, Meshech and Tubal. Nothing to do with
Meshech = Syria/Turkey/Iran/Iraq ( Ancient Anatolia. From the Meshki/Mushki tribes known to Greece and Assyrians. Cities still carry the name today.
Not related to Moscow/Russia as many believe. )
Tubal = Lebanon/Syria/Turkey ( From ancient Tabal. Well known and documented civilization. )
Togarmah = Syria/Turkey
Persia = Iran
Ethiopia = Sudan/Southern Egypt ( Specifically the Cush region. )
Libya = Libya
Gomer = Turkey (Gimmarai/Cimmerians. Cappadocia. Known to have fought the Assyrians. Cities still carry the name. )
That's the best list I can come up with based on searchable texts, supposed lineages, and historical data anyways... and it lines up with what is
widely accepted to be true. (Aside from the Russia connection)
I know that many people try to link ancient names with modern states, but I do not believe that to be the best course of action. When you look at the
known tribes and lands, the area becomes rather small and lines up well to the known nations of the time.
On the same note, and since this is a conspiracy forum after all, I would like to offer my own take on the biblical prophecy that may be just as
Instead of reaching for connections, let's look at the nations given and look at what is in the news today...
Syria - Been in the news in a big way recently. It's basically imploding and burning down as we speak.
Iraq - No need to highlight.
Iran - No need to highlight.
Lebanon - Hezbollah. Has been supplied arms and money from Iran for decades. If Iran gets attacked, expect retaliation from Lebanon.
Egypt - No need to highlight.
Sudan - While not widely publicized, still has news going on in its own right. In a soft war with South Sudan, and recently kidnapped and held 29
Chinese workers hostage.
Libya - No need to highlight.
Turkey - Not in the news as much as the other countries in the area, but it is making small waves none-the-less. In the last week, Turkey has gone on
the record saying it will continue importing Iranian oil as its main source, and has been trying to form an international coalition to move into Syria
to "help stabilize the area".
End-of-Dayers like to connect dots to fit with the verses in the bible, but maybe it's much easier than the theories they are putting forward.
Looking at the list above, the only country that hasn't been involved in a major conflict recently is Turkey. And admittedly Turkey is a fairly
Western country... belonging to NATO, the UN Security Counsel, and the G20.
Turkey also has the second-largest armed force in NATO, second only to the United States, and has the strongest military in the entire Middle East (it
is stated Israel's military is stronger, but numbers say otherwise). On top of that, Turkey has at least 90 B61 nuclear bombs being held in their
coffers. That is the minimum.
In the grand scheme of things, Iran is small potatoes. If I were betting on armageddon, I would say it is coming from the north as stated in the book,
and that it will be from Turkey.
What better way to start the final conflict, than by arming your enemies. You are guaranteed a victory by your god, so what do you have to fear?
If you are looking for the final sign, I would say to wait for the day we pull Turkey into a war.
Maybe the wars in the Middle East aren't against the countries themselves, but are being waged to piss off their Muslim neighbors (Turkey, Lebanon, et
al) to the point of retaliation.
"...from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you."
I would say "with all it's troops" could easily refer to the largest military in the region... and Turkey is pretty far north of Israel (speaking of
the given area).
That's my view on it anyways...
Just a little bit of research, mixed with a little bit of fear mongering.
So that's my hypothesis... When Turkey gets pissed... The Middle East will turn into a glass parking lot overnight.
And for conversational purposes, here is a thread involving the belief that Magog, Rosh, etc are referring to Russia.
Again, I'm not really religious at all, just thought it would make an interesting topic of discussion...
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