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Many Of You Will Not Believe Some Of The Things Americans Are Doing Just To Survive

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 06:58 PM
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

Poverty and education are interrelated. The US educational standards have dropped along with living standards. The accepted mindset of today towards education has a very low drive and no ambition towards it. Education was stressed in my household as a child because my parents knew what people who do not have a prime accredited education become.

Do you need an education to survive in America? No. You just have to work 3 to 5 times as hard as those who do have educations.

Does having a prime and accredited education make one's life easier in America? Hell Yes! I would suggest to any youngster to stay in the books.

I was taught to use my education to better myself and not to use it as a chess-piece to secure "a job". You truly do reap what you sow and that also applies to bettering oneself through an education. I have discovered in my travels around the world that most mainstream people are not college material and thus the drive and passion for an area of expertise or specific learning is not in them. Most educations stop with a degree while most of your advanced educations are life-long and never ending. Poverty in America has most of its roots in lack of education. The cards you choose to play in life will affect your lifestyle, health and overall well-being.

America is a very expensive place to live, especially if you do not have the drive to better yourself. The opportunities to academically enrich yourself are presented to everyone rich and poor alike. Some choose not to take advantage while other take full advantage. Someone has to win and someone has to lose it is in written in the law of averages and percentages that everyone CANNOT be equal. As an educated American man I can control most aspects of my mundane life thus having more time to live.

Those who do not have proper educations cannot blame those who do have proper educations for their low income jobs or being unemployed due to not having an education. It is never to late to learn, however we as human beings do have a limited time for physically laborious why wouldn't one exercise one's mind to work smart and not to work one's body physically hard?

Poverty is metered by the US government by the ability to shelter, clothe and feed one's self collectively in a given household per a given geographic region of the country. It is not metered by how many cars and houses one has, or how many iPhones or BlackBerries one has, or how much gold, silver and precious jewels one has. Poverty to many in the US is measured by what the "neighbors" HAVE and this is a damn shame all to itself.

I will not stop making gainful sums of money because someone is jealous or envious of me. I do enough for the poor as is by providing my neighborhood with venues to feed themselves and find suitable housing for them. Not million dollar mansions but SUITABLE, CLEAN AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING within the neighborhood.

The indigent and destitute can better themselves through education...the only problem is do they WANT to?

Do they have the WILL to?

If no, then they have indeed chosen to make their lives as difficult as they possibly can!

If yes, then they are on a very long and challenging road to enlightenment and prosperity mentally, spiritually and physically.

The choice is theirs to make!

A garden can provide food and drink for nutritional sustenance and fiber for clothing.

Farming animals can provide food for sustenance, hide for clothing, by-product for personal hygienic care, and to shod human feet from the elements.

The earth can provide various aggregates for building human shelter for housing.

Materialism has never fed anything other than GREED!

Poverty feeds strife, hardship and over-taxation of programs & resources thus giving the government ample ammo to grow ever bigger and larger which we as Americans DO NOT NEED!
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 07:47 PM

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 09:59 PM
Hey All,

Ok, I've been a lurker on ATS for a long time until I finally decided to make an account and "try" to contribute to some fantastic debates.

Here are my two cents and why I've lost a lot of faith in big business.

1) I worked as a Senior Buyer for a world wide electrical manufacturing company and one of my objectives every year was to move a percentage of my total spend to an "emerging economy" every year (usually was 10-15% YOY). It honestly did not matter that transportation costs increased, Inventory was increased due to leadtimes or that quality was an issue - It was a company mandate.

2) In 2007 we had record profits, however the company went through mass layoff's at the end of the year in Canada and the United States purely on the speculation that a recession was going to hit (which of course it did)

For my second point, it seemed that the lay-off's occurred simply because it was expected from the share holders and because everyone else was doing it and the media was fear mongering.

My point for the above is that I truly believe that manufacturing is pretty much dead in North America. Shareholders "hold" the power and the pursuit of profit takes precedence. The interesting part is that it becomes a negative feedback cycle. Capitalism only works when there is growth fueled by spending. When spending is stymied by lack of jobs, further lay-off's are conducted in order to maintain margin (or growth) for the shareholders. This causes further lack of spending due to lack of jobs and the cycle repeats itself.

Reduced consumer spending = Reduced Growth= Reduced Shareholder profit = Increased Lay-offs = (Go back to step 1)

The interesting thing is, I now think I understand why the US has been passing laws such as the recent one allowing the use of the military to detain citizens. It's because there is no real way out of the mess we currently find ourselves. As people find themselves without work and unable to provide for their families - the chance for homegrown terrorism and uprisings rise exponentially. I believe the government is simply trying to stall the inevitable by their bailout dollars (which really only go to the shareholders and not so much the consumers) and while stalling they are passing laws designed to protect themselves.

Now in business, I always learned that one should never present a problem without having a potential solution (no longer how asinine). The problem here is that I have no bloody idea what can be done. I think it's fairly obvious where this is all leading but can it be stopped?

posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Only1King
reply to post by calstorm

One word: Africa. Imagine life there...then get back to me. Send positive thoughts and frequencies for them and those else in need.

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Only1King, I am not singling you out when I bring this up...

But why do people always refer to Africa as its one country. Its a continent with different countries that vary on cultural, economic, and social scales.

posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:13 PM
I have to say... some of these people that are living in tents or worse are out of their minds... I was laid off in November, because of a company failure..... Did I lose my house? No.... Do I eat ketchup soup for dinner? NO....

The reality is this. If you really are looking for a job as a means to get by, they are out there. My uncle runs a construction company, and has recently taken on so much work, that he has been searching frantically for workers. The sad truth is, most of the people around here, would rather suck up unemployment, or sit on their butts, than go paint for $8/hr MINIMUM (experience based $8= NONE)

People in the U.S. are lazy, and think that their government should provide everything for them... these people would not have survived the great depression. People need to get back to the old way of thinking, and maybe, just maybe, the U.S. might turn around.

posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 10:23 PM
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

- there are 2 million jobs out there that cannot be filled because people don't have the educated workforce

So when I see crap like this it really pisses me off. CNN just did a story on it too .. factories in the USA are hiring.. there are a ton of vacancies that are often being filled by foreign workers on work visas, usually from Asian countries. They come here with "advanced degrees" and the know how to operate the machinery/technology used in the "new" factories. Horse !@#$.

Way back when (you know, prior to the 1990's.....) if you worked in a factory it was not a job that required an "advanced degree" .. it was simply a job, you specialized in the machinery that you worked with and you became very good at it. The COMPANY or the UNION trained you.. not a "degree". Factories nowadays do not see it as their job to educate you on their technology to make their products. So you sit through course after pointless course at a McCollege paying 30+k for a useless Associate Degree to work in a factory. Whereas in Asia the technology is often developed there, often there are job placement facilities that train them specifically for the technology, or the tech only requires a minimal degree for the factory to willingly educate you.

College educated laborers? WTF?

Perfect example: Prior to the 1990's if you wanted to be an HVAC Tech you had to hook up with a Union. They would PAY you to work along side a Master of the trade and learn first hand. Once you completed the apprenticeship you could take it anywhere you wanted. Now, today, you have to go to a Tech School like ITT .. pay 30+ thousand dollars to land an entry level job that might pay $15/hr if your lucky. If you're really lucky you can still get in with a Union.. but most corporate places demand a degree from at least a McCollege. Which is the crappiest of crappy education.

Just an example of why America's industrial strength is completely FUBAR and destined for failure.

posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:03 PM
Reality is the United States is a broken country, treasury accounts keep being negative year after year, employment keeps decreasing (unemployment increasing) and public debt skyrocketing.

All of this is to be blame on the ridiculous financial system it has (Federal reserve system) and the banks and (some) corporations having to much influence.

America keeps trying to mantain the illusion created by the banks and it is being very costly in many ways, money (as economic exchange medium) must be conceived as a govenmental service to the citizens to ensure that exchange runs smoothly. THAT's the fundamental erroneous conception, VALUE AND MONEY ARE NOT THE SAME THING, when the two are not clearly distinguished, problems arise, it is incredible how a manipulation of the concepts can end up in such a caos.

Check this out:

If you enjoyed it as much as I did, go check out the entire course, this guy is an insider yet he is upfront and honest.

IMHO, economy is not really that complex it's just the economists that many times make it more complex than it really is, if a country breaks even, it is an economically sound one, if it accumulates surplus is a wealthy one (like China, Germany, etc.) and if it has accumulated deficit is an impoverished one (of course it is case by case, an ethiopia's surplus will never be the same as china's surplus).

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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:32 PM
Ever since Bush arrived into office in the US and obtained his noble peace prize the economy started to show signs more towards its downfall then to president Obama with his noble peace prize as a depression hits controversy. Every American is waiting on a new elected president to start entering a great depression, anyone in the US who denies a great depression is sadly mistaken because right at the moment even individuals with college degrees are sinking down the water with the less educated jobs. The only way to keep barely floating is to raise the debt until the treasury can pay it off again, yes the dollar is gone and gas prices sky rocket for the ones unable to afford it.

Just because America is in a bad situation this doesn't mean the officials in charge doesn't have the method to destroy an entire nation for whatever it needs, as soon as all Americans revolt for prosperous jobs and so the distrust of foreigners begin but of course this hasn't happened untill poverty has risen to its most severe drastic level on every state of the US. Maybe the economy gets better on the positive side.
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posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 11:51 PM

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Why are these people eating rats? Why aren't they collecting food stamps and welfare and unemployment and section 8 housing free cell phone service mega tax credits (child tax credits, EIC) TANF Medicaid, too many to list.

List of US Government Funding programs
Because you're not an illegal...

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:03 AM
I live here in Henderson Nevada. The unemployment rate is at 12.5%. I was laid off from a 13 year I.S. position that paid me close to 90k a year. I was laid off 7 months ago. For the first 2 months, I collected unemployment. Since then, I have worked miscellaneous temporary/part time jobs. Some of those employment opportunities included delivering pizza and warehouse dock work. I am a single Father with 2 children. My ex-wife and I share equally the responsibilities of our children. Since I was laid off, I have had to give up my home and made a great many sacrifices. In all, I have learned to live to my means.

When I hear that people can’t find jobs out there, I just want to throw-up! The fact of the matter is that there are MANY employment opportunities! Just NOT the ones most of these dead beat lazy azzes are willing to do! I could have easily sucked unemployment dry! But I didn’t! I don’t even make a fraction of what I made! Not even close to what I made in unemployment! What happen to America working hard for anything? When I hear people whine about they’re unemployment running out after 2 years, I am embarrass! Embarrassed that my fellow American can’t do what’s right or true anymore! There is a difference in WANTING something, and there is a difference in NEEDING something! I have 2 children I love very much! It doesn’t matter to me how big my house is, the car I drive, shoes I ware, people I know, etc... As long as I can work hard for something, give my kids a warm safe happy place to live, food in their mouths, than I am happy!

If you have to be on unemployment for over 6 months, than I consider you a welfare sucking reciprocate! If you can’t step up in life, than move out to another country that will provide the world to you for free! I don’t care what kind of excuses people try to come up with to avoid work! It might not be what you wish, but the jobs are out there! You might not be making what you once made, but either way, its work! If you’re too proud to work at Mc Donald’s, than don’t complain if you starve! Have “a little” dignity! Do what’s right! Set an example for your children!

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:05 AM
and there are people calling for attacking Iran and other nations.Our founding fathers wanted isolationism and prosperity not war and genocide. We need to return to our founding fathers ideals instead of spending trillion dollars each on Defence. There are massive oil and coal reserves which we can sell to the world at hefty profits. And this could benefit small businesses considerably.

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:14 AM
reply to post by kn0wh0w

I think that we all are going to have to learn how to SURVIVE!! If it takes putting up a Tent in the Middle of No-where then so be it! We cannot depend on the Government to save us!! I think the first action to take is finding a Location that you would have a chance to Survive...Water Source and plenty of Animals running around such as Deer, Turkeys..Fish..etc..My objective was Montana..but I never made it there..I knew the land was good there..I knew that regardless of what is going to happen in this country..that is a place where you could survive on the most basic level..I had the gut instinct back in 2003 to start a plan to get a decent job and move me and my children NorthWest..I knew what to do..I just didnt have the money at the time to do this..I applied for a Job in the area that I wanted to go..I went through 3 years of steps in order to get this job in Montana...I was attacked en-route..and never made it to my duty station...I dont know how someone would survive in a Large City..I think it would be best to live out in the middle of the country off the Grid..Its all about having the Knowledge to do so..

I want go into great detail..but I have been homeless before..I am thankful for my boyfriend..otherwise we would not have a home..

This is my first computer and my first internet service, and I am 44 years old..this is my only luxury..I am thankful to have an outside voice from this country..I work full time and I attend college again for the second time around..after watching the video posted..I can say that I am Thankful for what I do have!

Its a horrible feeling not having a home..basically when this think nothing about anything but basic survival

What is the solution to this issue..personally I think that everyone should have Food, Clothing and a HOME..and Healthcare..Basically it is impossible to make it in this world without basic needs being met..

I think it is important for all of us to start learning basic survival skills..prepare to live with no power..train in health care and gather what supplies we might need in case everything does fall apart..Everything in this world it set up to where we have to depend on other people in order for survival..I believe from the time a child is young..start training them..survival skills..We in America might have to live in Tents...we are not Rich like the Media presents us..we are just regular people attempting to make ends meet...

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:18 AM
Why are there so many people saying that the american dream is dead??? I hate the picture that you guys are all painting of this country to those who dont live here. I live right outside Chicago, I came from a family that didnt have much money at all, my parents tried there best to raise 5 kids on 1 salary, which is tough, but I decided to make something of myself regardless... I paid my own way thru college, i secured employment during one of the worst job markets and I'm currently living a very comfortable, and debt free, life... I believe I am living the american dream... I know many others that are also living the american dream. I dont believe that this country is so doom and gloom like some want to paint it. I do believe there is still plenty of opportunity out there if you're educated, hard-working, and motivated to succeed, I dont believe that everyone is setup to fail today.

Anyways, this is just one story pointing out that life here isnt so bad after all.... And to the OP, Im not denying that anything you've said isnt true, I just havent seen anything like that around the Chicagoland area.
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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:39 AM
reply to post by Propulsion

There is No Free Housing In America..You have to have a Home Address to even get Food Assistance..and there is No Longer a So Called Welfare Check..Now the Poor have to get out and work for FREE 40 hours a week where ever DSS places them..Oh and they dont provide the POOR Transportation to get to whatever Work they are being placed in..Do you think DSS actually helps anyone?? Oh, and you have to take a 2 week class before you can even get Food Assistance..they dont care how you get there..even if you have to class they teach you how to find a everyone wants a job..this so called class is nothing more than a way for someone to make money off the poor..The Problem - This Country..The Allocated Funds to Help the Poor never make it to the people that need it..there are Too Many Middle Men making a buck off of Government Funding..

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:51 AM

Originally posted by jhn7537

Anyways, this is just one story pointing out that life here isnt so bad after all.... And to the OP, Im not denying that anything you've said isnt true, I just havent seen anything like that around the Chicagoland area.
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And so Chicagoland areas are starting to rise on unemployment, its kicking in a little..the rate for Illinois in Feb. 1999----- 4.2

Here is 2012...

The unemployment rate in the Chicago area rose to 10.2 percent in December from 9.3 percent a year ago, according to seasonally adjusted figures released Thursday by the Illinois Department of Employment Security.

The rate for Illinois was 9.8 percent. Both the state and local rates are higher than the nation’s unemployment rate of 8.5 percent.

The unemployment rate also increased in Bloomington-Normal, Champaign-Urbanana and Danville compared to year-ago figures, according to preliminary data also released Thursday.

READ more here

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posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 12:58 AM
reply to post by anthonygillespie2012

Like I stated earlier, I do believe there is still plenty of opportunity out there if you're educated, hard-working, and motivated to succeed... I am more than confident that if I lost my job today, I would be able to secure employment within a week... I honestly believe people are too lazy today and thats why they arent living the "american dream"....

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 01:45 AM

Originally posted by muse7
The American dream died the minute Bush was elected as POTUS

Excuse me.

The American Dream died when Jimmy Carter was elected.

Nobody remembers this.

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 03:48 AM
reply to post by MegaMind

Your disingenuous dismissal of my argument, first by misrepresenting what I've argued - I have not suggested that all jobless people become entrepreneurs - secondly by presuming that any person who doesn't have enough personal wealth to start a business very likely cannot, is quite simply riddled with factual errors. If only ten percent of the jobless decide to become entrepreneurs instead, and only ten percent - an extremely low figure just to give you some benefit of the doubt - of they succeed this still translates into new jobs created for those other jobless, and certainly comes to more than had no one from the jobless corps had decided to break out on their own and produce something. Ten percent of something is better than 100% of nothing.

Further, even if they are the low figures I've suggested, those jobs created will not be some government program funded with public monies, but the natural result of successful companies growing. It is outrageous to genuinely believe that of the people who do go into business for the first time actually fail. In truth, that number of failures tends to fluctuate in between market ups and downs, but this chart here suggests that in 1992 success rates of business was extremely high and has steadily declined since then and by 2002 the success rate had dropped to 29% meaning there was a 71% failure rate that year. So, by keeping the success rate to just 10% I am not being unrealistic in this prediction, or if I am it is only because I am grossly underestimating that success rate.

It stands to reason that if more than 10% of the jobless become entrepreneurs then there will be more success story's with growing company's that are employing more people every year. However, this is just in regards to success story's of start-ups from (presumably) first time entrepreneurs. There still remain that 90% who failed and are still jobless, but will all of them just shrug their shoulders and determine that it was not their destiny to be a successful entrepreneur? Had Henry Ford done so the Ford Motor Company never would have even existed. It is fair to argue that some of those who failed will try again. Of those that try again, some will succeed adding to the list of successful new company's in the market place.

But wait, you say? Where's all this capital coming from? There are some among the jobless that when they become jobless have a nest egg saved and will tap into that while figuring out their next move. Instead of spending that savings to sustain them while no income comes in, they could invest that savings in a start-up. What's that you say? They might fail? Chances are - in this economy - they will fail. What I say to that is that many of them will also fail in their gamble that they will get the job they are looking for before the savings runs out, but of the two one was far more productive in its failure than the other.

As to those jobless who only have a good idea but no capital, I say that while American jobs have imploded, venture capitalism has exploded.

Venture capital funding and deals rise in 2010

Companies in the U.S. received $26.2 billion in 2,799 venture capital deals, an 11% increase in funds from the year before and a 6% increase in deals, a Dow Jones VentureSource report says.

Not everyone can be the next Steve Jobs but there must at least one out there now who can manage to put together what would very quickly become a multibillion dollar company without any capital, and yet without ever selling a single share in his company. Sure capital is necessary but every good entrepreneur knows what OPM means and the principle behind it.

Other Peoples Money is always better to invest in a business than your own. As happy accidents would have their way, it just so happens that there is a wide swath of investors out there looking for that je ne sais qua. Finding capital is not like the game of Monopoly you describe where only a limited amount of money exists to split among each player, and who gets what depends largely on the roll of the dice. Indeed, unlike the game of Monopoly, our current currency is as inflatable as the Federal Reserve deems necessary. Want some more money? No problem! Let's just have the good old Federal Reserve print us up some more. Here you go have some money.

Finding capital is all a part of the entrepreneurial game and not everyone is cut out to play such a game, but I am convinced that of the jobless out there today, there are more than just 10% who are capable of playing the entrepreneurial game and plenty of them capable of playing championship games. Fear of failure or fear of success?

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 05:50 AM
The biggest problem is inflation versus the amount you bring in to live on. People are making the same wage they made 20 years ago. It's simple numbers folks. When the government talks about fixing the problem I just laugh. It's so pathetic, you cannot run a country paying out more then you make. Living paycheck to paycheck, no medical, no savings, no retirement, no college money for the kids future and you think the future is going to get better? Talk about a oxymoron! You cannot secure the future if you don't invest in the future. The government doesn't invest in the working man. So here we are stuck with no jobs and with a bad inflation that keeps compounding. Makes you wonder how long this charade is going to last doesn't it? I figure not very long, I am convinced that the government wants collapse. Anyone who believes we can get better and pay back the national debt, is living in a pipe dream.

posted on Feb, 18 2012 @ 07:30 AM
good good americans deserve this

You people go mass murdering and destroying nations rendering people poor and desperate and expect not to suffer repercussions.


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