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The 4th Dimension physical or meta physics?

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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:34 PM
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ok so i was following what you just read and i was expecting an explanation seems as if you was building up to something do you care to explain what you have found out?




posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Here is a short history of the fourth dimension - scientific and popular:
smphillips.8m.com...
The fourth dimension is but one of nine dimensions predicted by superstring theory and of 25 dimensions predicted by the quantum mechanics of spinless strings. According to E8xE8 heterotic superstring theory, ordinary matter is embedded in a 10-d space-time sheet that is separated from another parralel sheet by a small gap extending along the tenth dimension of space predicted by the all-encompassing 11-d M-theory. The second sheet contains invisible "shadow matter" that interacts with the familiar physical universe only gravitationally. Human beings exist in BOTH universes simultaneously but are conscious (normally) of being in only one of them. Certain psychic phenomena, forms of clairvoyance and out-of-the-body experiences involve our extension in the other, parallel, but still physical universe. Hence, the fourth dimension has both a physical and a psychical connotation - it is NOT either one or the other.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:50 PM
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Ive done a mock up of what I am thinking.






A Nobel Prize winning biologist has ignited controversy after publishing details of an experiment in which a fragment of DNA appeared to ‘teleport’ or imprint itself between test tubes. According to a team headed by Luc Montagnier, previously known for his work on HIV and AIDS, two test tubes, one of which contained a tiny piece of bacterial DNA, the other pure water, were surrounded by a weak electromagnetic field of 7Hz. Eighteen hours later, after DNA amplification using a polymerase chain reaction, as if by magic the DNA was detectable in the test tube containing pure water. Source


Some have suggested the 7hz EM field is acting as a carrier wave to transport the resonant frequency of DNA.

In regards to measurable effect the data or instantaneous information transfer we see in entanglement experiments indicates a pathway for information to be transferred outside of space/time limitations perhaps utilizing the fourth dimension to move.between particles.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by micpsi
Here is a short history of the fourth dimension - scientific and popular:
smphillips.8m.com...
The fourth dimension is but one of nine dimensions predicted by superstring theory and of 25 dimensions predicted by the quantum mechanics of spinless strings. According to E8xE8 heterotic superstring theory, ordinary matter is embedded in a 10-d space-time sheet that is separated from another parralel sheet by a small gap extending along the tenth dimension of space predicted by the all-encompassing 11-d M-theory. The second sheet contains invisible "shadow matter" that interacts with the familiar physical universe only gravitationally. Human beings exist in BOTH universes simultaneously but are conscious (normally) of being in only one of them. Certain psychic phenomena, forms of clairvoyance and out-of-the-body experiences involve our extension in the other, parallel, but still physical universe. Hence, the fourth dimension has both a physical and a psychical connotation - it is NOT either one or the other.


This is interesting so similar to a photon being in a fuzzy state as both a photon and a particle until observed.
The 4th dimensional communication transference occurs in entangled particles when you collapsing its partner entangled photon fuzzy states to wave or particle when the said action is performed by observation. (BTW I am not the best person to be describing this just giving it a shot)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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wow im finding it hard understanding that what i see basically is,

a mind looking at one object trying to imagine it being able to teleport, the object starts to teleport then it does??
kind of dont get the dimension part of it

but noneless i have heard about dna being connected through what you call entanglement

so you mean in the fuzzy state it is 2 places at a time?
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:59 PM
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I thought time didn't exist. We humans created it for our own uses and purposes. As for the fourth dimension, I believe it to be matter that only exists in a certain spectrum of light. Light that human eyes can not see. Think about David Hudson and one of his Ormus experiments. I think it was high heat the Ormus would would cease to exist, a wiper would wipe the test subject area to disturb the Ormus sample and then cooled. Once cooled the Ormus reappeared undisturbed. I believe the Ormus is going into another dimension, it is existing in another spectrum of light and ceases to exist as matter on our plane.
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by tdrowe2010
wow im finding it hard understanding that what i see basically is,

a mind looking at one object trying to imagine it being able to teleport, the object starts to teleport then it does??
kind of dont get the dimension part of it

but noneless i have heard about dna being connected through what you call entanglement

so you mean in the fuzzy state it is 2 places at a time?
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From my understanding fuzzy state means object/particle/s are in two states at the same time until observation forces it to be in one state. The act of observation collapses the fuzzy state.

I postulate that telepathy image transference and information transference happens when two minds carry entangled particles which obtain this state through quantum entrainment. Perhaps body waveform entrainment. Laymans terms their radios are tuned unto each other. The piezoelectric calcite crystals in the pineal gland acting as the mechanism or mechanical area of the brain where this happens.

I am beginning to suspect that the pineal gland is not a necessary component due to the probability that the same entangled state can be transferred through body waveform entrainment states.
I apologize as I feel I am missing out important conclusions that lead me to this current understanding of this hypothesis.
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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ok just drew this is it possible for all these sqaures to be part of one object so one single object not 3 cubses or 1 whole cube

but one cube with these dimensions



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by tdrowe2010



ok just drew this is it possible for all these sqaures to be part of one object so one single object not 3 cubses or 1 whole cube

but one cube with these dimensions


Nice thought experiment. But the question seems contradictory so I am trying to understand it better. The universe is one object you and I are both a part of that object so it depends on your classification of what constitutes an object. Object being a descriptive. A hive for-instance made of several honeycombs is still a whole object based on the perspective of the explainer.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by coldfiremx
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I thought time didn't exist. We humans created it for our own uses and purposes. As for the fourth dimension, I believe it to be matter that only exists in a certain spectrum of light. Light that human eyes can not see. Think about David Hudson and one of his Ormus experiments. I think it was high heat the Ormus would would cease to exist, a wiper would wipe the test subject area to disturb the Ormus sample and then cooled. Once cooled the Ormus reappeared undisturbed. I believe the Ormus is going into another dimension, it is existing in another spectrum of light and ceases to exist as matter on our plane.
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Im just going to research David Hudson and his Ormus experiments. I have not heard of these before so want to better understand what you are describing. Thanks for sharing.




The tests also showed that this material reacted differently to various heat and cold treatments. The time period to which they exposed the stuff to hot or cold temperatures also produced different results. The turning point was at 70 seconds heat treatment. When Hudson stopped the process at 69 seconds the powder contained no precious elements, yet at 70 seconds or over it did. Hudson then went to a specialist at the University of Iowa. They conducted several experiments and once again produced the most amazing results. The material expressions of the stuff magically changed depending on the degree of warming or cooling they subjected it to. Among these forms were a white powder but also glass. Elements such as iron spontaneously disappeared or morphed into other elements. The material also changed weight, particularly when exposed to air. Hudson was advised to patent these elements to prevent others from using his findings and keep him from experimenting further. In March of 1988 Hudson patented these elements which he called Orbitally Rearranged Monoatomic Elements, or ORMEs. This has become known as Ormus and stands for what are twelve known elements which exist both in a material and an immaterial, energetic form. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...


This is fascinating I added the above large quote only to provide context to this discussion I can re-edit it mods if it is to large.
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This has become known as Ormus and stands for what are twelve known elements which exist both in a material and an immaterial, energetic form. Hudson found this out by getting in touch with one of the American pioneers of quantum physics, Hal Puthoff. Puthoff explained to him the strange phenomena associated with Ormus. Ormus elements are capable of losing their material form under the influence of warmth and sunlight, making them no longer subject to the laws of gravity and even capable of dissolving into sunlight. This is what Hudson had witnessed when he dried the material in the hot sun. The Ormus had literally become one with the light and transferred to another dimension in which there is no space-time. By cooling it down, he learned to bring back the stuff to the exact place where he had laid it to dry, back to the material world of space-time in which we live. Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...

And so this is the determination of this substance as I have read so far. Once again mods if it is to large quote I will decrease it however have used this amount to give context to the descriptive.
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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well yh your right about the universe and bee hive thing but that in a 3 dimensional universe
i understand how you dont get it because its impossible to comprehend, i understand my idea but not completely n if i do ill probally disapear

this is something else which i thought is a good aid to help understand


basically imagine the doll inside the other one but instead of being a seperate object they where all the same object, in the 3rd dimension we would see it as 1 solid object ie one doll

but in my suggested dimension it would be one object which is the same object down to scale

im tearing my hair out because i cant get my head around it



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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Yes ok take this understanding and consider my waveform diagram above. Consider your full 4 dimensional state as the complete waveform. Move the 4d component to a different reference point in 3d spacetime and place attention on it in that space and the wave form component in 3d space will be transported to said location through the principle of quantum entanglement. I wish I could paste the airforce study done on this it is a pdf I am at work so can't source it from my own files it is on the web though.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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ok i kind of understand what your saying and thanks for contributing so much to this thread, but one thing im really struggling to understand is the dimension part of what your saying

i mean are you talking about some type of telekenesis ?

i really want to know what you mean and what its got to do with 3d n 4d



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 07:50 PM
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Telekinesis is a descriptive for mind interface with matter and energy to catalyze movement or action. Grossly misunderstood through Hollywood and other types of pop culture media it is a field of study for several serious researchers. One of the Prominent researchers of this time is Dr William Tiller who changes the outdated reference frame that was being applied in the orthodox scientific analysis and reframes it to include present day understanding.
In his MIT lecture series he provides the mathematical experimental and theoretical proof of such phenomenon and really does a good job of explaining it.
The old or dogmatic reference frame that used to be applied to this sort of study had to be changed to create a paradyme shift in the study approach. Incorporating present day models and abilities to measure not outdated dogma allows the present researcher to truly explore the vastness of this field and overcome the stigma which is still present.
It it all depends on perspective I am really enjoying this thought provoking thread not often are people prepared to allow the mind to think outside of present moment conditioning and explore the possibilities.


To answer your question I would classify the above theory under PK/TK and quantum field study and research which is one of my main areas of research.The reason this is relevant is that I suspect humans may actually be presently utilizing the 4th dimension for some thought processes and other more advanced activity like teleportation like the children in China which were reported on in the journal of nature article extract from the Airforce study I reference.
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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by tdrowe2010



ok just drew this is it possible for all these sqaures to be part of one object so one single object not 3 cubses or 1 whole cube

but one cube with these dimensions


I made a geometric calculator which shows numbers and their reciprocals at the same time. So whenever there's a number above 1, it's reciprocal which is below 1 is also shown. Instead of using cubes I use circles, so think 3 circles. I'd post a link but I'd need permission first. FYI I'm treating micro/macro/radial dimension as the 4th dimension.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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please do post link because think you might have something, but i gotta catch some sleep so have to reply in the morning but i have got alot more stuff to add



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:33 PM
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So you've made the breakthrough?


Defining the fourth dimension?

Well have a Subway sandwich on me.

Oh, wait, we've done that 1,000 times already with no definitive answer....


eta:

I live just a short drive from FERMI-Lab and I am sure they'd love to see you prove it.

SERIOUSLY. I'll deliver it to them for you if you want.


If you figured it out, the entire WORLD would love to know it.

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posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:39 PM
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the 4th dimension is space-time

just don't consider it a dimension at all, it's easier that way, for example,

if a higher dimension being exists, and that being is 1 dimension higher than our 3rd dimension, that being would be a 5th dimensional being, as there are no 4th dimensional beings, it being space-time and space-time alone.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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I adhere to that to (until proven otherwise
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Time is the best function/frame we can observe to label another dimension.



posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 12:31 AM
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We are in the 4th dimension. Time space is pretty much it. We are in it.

We are the music but the 4th dimension itself is the record that contains it.



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