It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

"180" Movie - A Few Minutes that may change your mind about Abortion

page: 9
21
<< 6  7  8    10  11  12 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:24 PM
link   
reply to post by randomname
 





consciousness is not a requirement for being a human being. a person who is receives a head wound and becomes a vegetable is still a human being. a person on life support with no brain function is still a human being.


Not if the brain is necrotic or the brain function is irreversibly ended. In that case, such people are proclaimed legally dead, even tough they often could live on life support indefinitely.

No mind, no victim, no crime.




posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by SerialVelocity

Originally posted by Vaxar
what if a girl is raped and becomes pregnant, the girl didnt want to become a mother? She cant afford to bring a child into the world on top of all this? Lets say she even has no home... does she have to keep the baby??

Nah.


I already brought up these excellent points and they were ignored because there was no good reason to disagree with it.


I brought it up a week or so ago giving a very detailed description of the depth of trauma a girl I knew who was raped went through, and although she did not become pregnant, had she become pregnant and then been forced to carry the pregnancy full term, would most likely result in the 15 year old taking her own life..and the potential life growing in side of her, since she had to be hospitalized for suicide prevention after the rape...

AND.... those who were for prohibiting abortion because it was murder.....felt the traumatized 15 year old's life was not as important as the potential life and promoted forcing her to carry the pregnancy with the thought that maybe God would intervene and she would be able to survive it



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:30 PM
link   

Originally posted by randomname

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by ChaoticOrder
 


Again, it is impossible to "kill an unborn human being". There is no such thing.



abortion prevents a human being from being born. how do they prevent it.

you cannot kill something that is not alive. if a fertilized egg was not alive it would not grow and develop.

consciousness is not a requirement for being a human being. a person who is receives a head wound and becomes a vegetable is still a human being.

a person on life support with no brain function is still a human being.

when hitler of all people believed abortion is barbaric and outlawed it in germany, then maybe you should start to re-evaluate your position.

you say it's not a human being. we all go thru stages of development as we grow. conception is the first stage of human life. if you cannot grasp that easy concept, then literally there is no hope for you.

you are as closed minded as the people you accuse.

the opposite of pro-life is pro-death. not pro-choice. and what are the choices. allow your baby to live, develop, grow and be born or to end it's existence by poisoning it's environment with a saline solution.

but you claim human embryo's are not alive, key adjective human, so it should be impossible to end it's life.

and just to remind you, we were all that fertilized egg once.


edit on 16-2-2012 by randomname because: (no reason given)




Hitler thought it was bad, so I should to? Did you really just make that argument? Oh my lord, this anti-0choice crowd is getting ore and more pathetic every day.

And for the last time, I never claimed there wasnt life involved. The fact that you all keep jumping to this simply shows that you have NOTHING of substance to say, so you must twist my words to elicit a response.

Downright pathetic.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:30 PM
link   
I actually found this movie on youtube a few weeks ago, and it just disgusts me!
Not only are they wrongly influencing naive people, but it's also so sad that people in America are so uneducated about things I thought were common knowledge. "Do you know who Hitler is?" answer, "Uhhhhh...". REALLY REALLY?!?!?!
It kind of makes me think they must be actors. Because how does anyone in the world not know who Hitler is!!!!

Yeah so, this "documentary" just pisses me the heck off!!!

I am pro-choice if you haven't already guessed. haha.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:34 PM
link   
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Okay, you want to discuss something regarding this issue? My baby sister spent time in a psychiatric ward out of her head because the Planned Parenthood worker where she got her abortion told her that her 10 week pregnancy was just a blob of cells. When she saw a picture of a baby younger than the one she aborted, like this one, she lost it.





Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:37 PM
link   

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Okay, you want to discuss something regarding this issue? My baby sister spent time in a psychiatric ward out of her head because the Planned Parenthood worker where she got her abortion told her that her 10 week pregnancy was just a blob of cells. When she saw a picture of a baby younger than the one she aborted, like this one, she lost it.





Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.



And the more people like you try to take away the right to abortion, the more people like will have the situations like your sister did, as the funding is simply not there to properly educate.

That being said, if abortion were legal, your sister would have been as likely to get one in a back alley with a coat hanger....think that would have been any better on her, mentally?

All the shock videos and pictures in the world do not make your point, and only further prove that the anti-choice crowd can ONLY rely on shock value to try and elicit an emotional response.

Am I supposed to be swayed by RP, a freaking GYNECOLOGIST, who does not stand for women's rights? Really?

ETA: and just for the record, i dont believe your story to be true for one second....
edit on 16-2-2012 by captaintyinknots because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:37 PM
link   
People need to open thier eyes to the real world..
we live in an age of wonder and we have long evolved to this point
we also have a long way to evolve, i personally think the way of the future, means that we will have fertility clinics where "babies" are "grown"... its sad that religion holds us back in this evolutionary step because stem-cell research and population "control" is whats needed for humanity to evolve even more.

edit: if God didnt want us "playing" GOD... then he wouldnt of given us the tools and the means to do such
edit on 16-2-2012 by Canuckman420 because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:38 PM
link   

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Okay, you want to discuss something regarding this issue? My baby sister spent time in a psychiatric ward out of her head because the Planned Parenthood worker where she got her abortion told her that her 10 week pregnancy was just a blob of cells. When she saw a picture of a baby younger than the one she aborted, like this one, she lost it.





Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.



nice CGI Embryo....... how do I know it's CGI, well I could tell you but then i'd have to delete myself...

Seriously, you would make a 12-13 year old girl who's been raped by someone, or been the victim of incest actually HAVE a child when she herself isn't even matured enough physically to withstand it? You'd trade one life for the baby just because it's wrong to kill? If that young a mother gives birth and dies because of your logic that death is ok, because why? The baby lived.....

I'm sorry I don't see the logic..........



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:46 PM
link   
It's a good video, apart from the completely dumb-down version of WWII



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:54 PM
link   
reply to post by sad_eyed_lady
 


No mind, no person, no victim, no crime.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 05:55 PM
link   

Originally posted by Canuckman420
People need to open thier eyes to the real world..
we live in an age of wonder and we have long evolved to this point
we also have a long way to evolve, i personally think the way of the future, means that we will have fertility clinics where "babies" are "grown"... its sad that religion holds us back in this evolutionary step because stem-cell research and population "control" is whats needed for humanity to evolve even more.

edit: if God didnt want us "playing" GOD... then he wouldnt of given us the tools and the means to do such
edit on 16-2-2012 by Canuckman420 because: (no reason given)


Perfectly said, too bad you and me are 100 years too soon. In 100 years hopefully we'll be there, or nature will take care of us, and this whole process will start over.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:04 PM
link   
I don't care anymore, there are bigger issues than abortion.

I still stand firm in my opinion on this, if you don't want a kid don't have sex. There is nothing you can say to justify irresponsibility and the amount of people who would have abortions merely because they changed their mind completely outnumbers any children conceived via rape by multitudes. Regardless, it's not the governments business to interfere in something so closely tied to religion.

Have fun killing fetuses and trying to argue its not an actual living thing.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:06 PM
link   

Originally posted by RSF77
I don't care anymore, there are bigger issues than abortion.

I still stand firm in my opinion on this, if you don't want a kid don't have sex. There is nothing you can say to justify irresponsibility and the amount of people who would have abortions merely because they changed their mind completely outnumbers any children conceived via rape by multitudes. Regardless, it's not the governments business to interfere in something so closely tied to religion.

Have fun killing fetuses and trying to argue its not an actual living thing.


No one is saying it is not a living thing. I really dont understand why you all have to make stuff up to try and make a point....



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by vkey08

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Okay, you want to discuss something regarding this issue? My baby sister spent time in a psychiatric ward out of her head because the Planned Parenthood worker where she got her abortion told her that her 10 week pregnancy was just a blob of cells. When she saw a picture of a baby younger than the one she aborted, like this one, she lost it.





Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.



nice CGI Embryo....... how do I know it's CGI, well I could tell you but then i'd have to delete myself...

Seriously, you would make a 12-13 year old girl who's been raped by someone, or been the victim of incest actually HAVE a child when she herself isn't even matured enough physically to withstand it? You'd trade one life for the baby just because it's wrong to kill? If that young a mother gives birth and dies because of your logic that death is ok, because why? The baby lived.....

I'm sorry I don't see the logic..........


I have been seeing photos of babies, this size, this stage of development since the 1970's long before CGI was ever invented. Look around and you'll see plenty of photos.

www.prolife.com...


Mother Teresa said:

"The greatest destroyer of love and peace is abortion, which is war against the child. The mother doesn't learn to love, but kills to solve her own problems. Any country that accepts abortion is not teaching its people to love, but to use any violence to get what they want."


I have worked with 3 girls that were raped and placed their babies for adoption. One was from incest. Do you think it would be easier to live with having had an abortion or adoption? I know my answer is different from yours.
edit on 2/16/2012 by sad_eyed_lady because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady

Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.




Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Am I supposed to be swayed by RP, a freaking GYNECOLOGIST, who does not stand for women's rights? Really?


Serously???? If he said that AND claims to be a GYNECOLOGIST then people need to start investigating his credentials just as deeply as the birthers are trying to investigate Obama's citizenship


A trained medical professional practicing in women's reproduction would have no excuse not to know about ecoptic pregnancies and molar pregnancies.

Neither are viable, the ecoptic pregnancy attaches in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus and cannot develop there, the pregnancy is nonviable and the developing cells must be removed to save the mothers life.

A molar pregnancy occurs when there is an extra set of chromosomes in the fertilzed egg, in this case what develops is considered a benign turmor or rapidly growing mass of cysts, it cannot survive and if not treated early can put the mothers life in danger.

BOTH require an abortion...neither would be able to be carried full term and not aborting either of them only serves to kill the mother.

A ban on all abortion would be a death sentence for any woman suffering from either of these types of completely nonviable pregnancies...Then what happens to the all life is precious rhetoric?
edit on 2/16/12 by Pixiefyre because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:27 PM
link   
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Yea okay, whatever you mean by that.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:36 PM
link   

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Why is it that so often (not always) the same people who argue pro-life are opposed to feeding this life should times become hard, as they are today in the world, and opposed to...oh what to call it...the nanny state, socialism, and helll, okay, treading on you? Is it some sort of cognitive disconnect?


Because unlike you a lot of us have experienced first hand what really happens when a nation becomes a "nanny socialist state"...

Because unlike you, even many of those Americans who haven't experienced first hand a "nanny socialist state", many have parents, or grandparents who did experience life in such "nanny socialist state" and know that nothing good comes from it...



edit on 16-2-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)


Wow did you miss the boat and the point and...well...contradict yourself. Thanks for the real live demonstration of exactly what I was attempting to say. You do realize this is the nanny state at its ultimate? What the hell do you believe you know about me? And what business is it of yours what happens to my karma or soul as a result of my decisions about my life that affect no one else who can live without the same? Mind your own business and make your own choices, and I'll mind mine and make my own choices about a fetus that can't even survive without me. If you want to envision and someday live in a world where women are strapped down and force fed to grow a fetus to term and have absolutely no control over becoming a brood mare, go right ahead. I personally don't want us going down that slippery slope. Okay? Thanks.


edit on 2/16/2012 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:37 PM
link   

Originally posted by Pixiefyre

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady

Like Ron Paul said: "Abortion is a violent crime." and sometimes there is more than one victim.




Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Am I supposed to be swayed by RP, a freaking GYNECOLOGIST, who does not stand for women's rights? Really?


Serously???? If he said that AND claims to be a GYNECOLOGIST then people need to start investigating his credentials just as deeply as the birthers are trying to investigate Obama's citizenship


A trained medical professional practicing in women's reproduction would have no excuse not to know about ecoptic pregnancies and molar pregnancies.

Neither are viable, the ecoptic pregnancy attaches in the fallopian tube instead of the uterus and cannot develop there, the pregnancy is nonviable and the developing cells must be removed to save the mothers life.

A molar pregnancy occurs when there is an extra set of chromosomes in the fertilzed egg, in this case what develops is considered a benign turmor or rapidly growing mass of cysts, it cannot survive and if not treated early can put the mothers life in danger.

BOTH require an abortion...neither would be able to be carried full term and not aborting either of them only serves to kill the mother.


I would not go to a doctor who performed routine abortions. Even the Catholic church acknowledges that it is acceptable to have an abortion if the mother's life is in danger.

One of the reasons I am voting for Dr. Paul is because he knows when a women is pregnant there are 2 patients, not one.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:38 PM
link   

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


Yea okay, whatever you mean by that.


exactly what i said. Not too complicated.



posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 06:41 PM
link   
Killing babies is wrong.

There should be no choice involved.

People claiming masturbation is a form of abortion are being ignorant to the fact of life needing an egg from a female, and sperm from a male.

Why should a woman have the choice to kill her unborn baby because it is an inconvenience?

If a person were to punch a woman in the stomach while she is pregnant, and the baby died, they would get charged with murder. Either the baby is a life or it isn't. It sounds like women are making excuses on why they get to decide the fate of a life.

People act like there is some grey area here. It's clear we should be saving the lives of these babies. But, as the video shows, getting involved in someone else's murderous whims are what a cowardly society does not do.







 
21
<< 6  7  8    10  11  12 >>

log in

join