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Originally posted by Maslo
Another positive - the laws and bureucracy would get simpler. Noone would propose, or vote for 10 000+ page bills.
Direct government would make corruption impossible.
And if you really think it would be such a problem, simple modification with vote weight based on tests and/or education would solve it. Again, no need for representatives.
Corruption is still very easy to do. Manipulation is an art form, it is ugly and beautiful at the same time. Social engineering is becoming easier to achieve in the modern era. In times past societies could be whipped into compliance, and some still are, but it is easier achieved through 'the hearts and minds'. Getting rid of a representative body doesn't get rid of the lobbyists they will always be there.
Originally posted by okamitengu
i have been tortured by this idea of directly representing ourselves for about 30 years now. i started a forum to dissect and discuss my ideas as well as build a consensus to develop political parties, but trying to let you know about it here does breech the T&C ... i checked with the ATS gods first!!
so i figured, what if i post some thoughts here, and see how you guys react, and maybe i will copy and paste some of your responses and ideas back to where i am housing it.
if you are on facebook you can also participate there
i propose, via long discussion and voting, the establishment of a global political movement. The main objective is to eliminate the systems of politic and party, that bind us all to a system we are disenfranchised with, or outright distrust.
via technological means, the proposal is to build a new "INTRANET" via some secure means parallel to, and separate from the internet.
this would be run to everyone's homes. with some kind of secure access portal, that would enable EVERY person to directly submit, vote and learn about new law, existing law, and societal needs.
for example, why cant 20 or 30 of the top accountants/economists all submit a budget? why cant you or i have some say about how our taxes are allocated? through direct democracy these things would be possible.
i dont have all the answers, hell maybe all i have is some good ideas. but the point of this system is i don't need to. the internet has brought the entire world together. using this, a platform and policy can be developed and a party formed to run in elections everywhere in the western democratic nations.. and in fact anywhere enough people were interested!
im not using this to drive you to my forum ... since i like ATS and i dont want to lose my membership.
im also not putting this here for you to tell me why it cant work, i know it has elements that cant work. right now.
but, if you see a reason it cant work, post that... AND a suggestion of what could help it work.
everytime i talk with people they say that cant work because... and the reason is some part of the existing system. once they realise we are able to change anything we want, it gets easier.
its the 21c. we can design an entirely new society from the ground up. so dont get locked in the box when you are thinking.
the first question i asked myself was... why wont this work. then i ask, what can i change to make it work?
i am more than interested in you opinions.
please make them count.
Everyone is open to being bought. Everyone is open to direct manipulation. Most of the population adhere swing voting, meaning that they completely understand the concept of block voting which in itself is a form of manipulation.
You really believe that people only cooperate for the "greater good."
If this is the level of comprehension that proponents of this voting system have, you terrify me with your inability to project the consequences this would have on non-homogeneous populations, and a lack of comprehension of the investment of violence.
The sheer lack of understanding of humans displayed just astounds me.
The idea of state is an extension of normal psychological boundaries. A literal figment of the collective imagination. Just because it is a figment doesn't make it unnecessary.
I think poeple prefer to be against something rather then for something. Its easier and more of a quick shot for the ego or something. I´ve been flaunting direct democracy localy - globaly for years and it would be sad if it wasn´t so pathetic when you listen to poeples arguments as to why it will not work and why they are opposed to it even if it could work.
Originally posted by Aeons
You are talking about these systems working in small areas, with homogeneous populations surrounded on all sides by regions that act as pressure valves and trade support.
Not independent. Not large scale.
Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Maslo
1. Investment of violence in leadership diminishing interpersonal violence
2. Increase in (re-named) tribalism