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Originally posted by Dae
I'm wondering if someone or four may be able to give me their take on my experience(s). Ive been trying on ATS for a while now to see if anyone has had an experience like mine and so far I have failed in this. In a nutshell, when I shot back into my body, due to a thought about leaving my baby alone in the house if I went off floating down the street (yeah I know!), I experience intense pain in my ears. Really intense! Here is my ATS post on it. Please someone read it and give me feedback.
The thing is I OBE about 3 more times after the initial, two within a month then then one more about 3 years later. The last one was amazing due to the fact I got proof that I was indeed out of my body. Anyway, its not the OBE per se that I need to talk about but its the pain and sleep paralysis that I have unleashed on myself since my first OBE. Before then I only had sleep paralysis when I was sleep depraved with my new born and only a handful of times before that. Since I was a child I had lots of hypnagogic hallucinations during sleep time, so I suppose I was always inclined to freaky events at night!
I would appreciate some illumination on my experiences that anyone could give me.
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I had my share of 'sleep paralysis'. Often it invokes fear as it seemed so real, terrifying and painful.
Originally posted by Silencey
reply to post by Thermo Klein
Currently all I've been able to pin down is when you meditate you should project a white light around yourself. I'm kind of skeptal about that since it seems more for moral then any practical purpose.
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Thermo Klein
Are we really supposed to "create" an astral body? Is there any possibility of that being a trap? I don't believe the gnostics are right, and think it should be natural, ie you roll out.
Everyone astrally projects but some don't know it or remember it. I don't consciously, so far, though have been trying since I was a teen as my mother has shared this, and my friends have shared this, and my one friend proved it to me one night.
For me, however, I get pulled frequently, but its like a fleshed out remote viewing session that is just as interactive and got pulled trying to see my friends abduction. Was that ever a mistake!!!
At that time I had no idea there was No Time. I thought this was a past clip of a memory, so I would be observing like the movie, Christmas Carol. Not so. The movie lied.
There is No Time. In the past when that event happened to him I was there, just as Dolores Cannon when she regresses a patient past ego, to the events in abductions is communicating in real time with them. And in the past, when this event occurred, she was really there communicating.
Well as a result, that grey that showed me around was not happy with my presence and was bristled with indignation that I was there, though I didn't consciously pull myself. And it wasn't a normal oobe, no silver cord, I could have opened my eyes.
We were all abducted a few days later after he projected in each night and intimidated me, to assert authority I believe, no slaves out of the pens.
OK, but in meditation, Delta waves used, suddenly had that body slow down, breathing quit, body was alseep as if dead, and this really really loud rush of noise, and I was propelling out, and caught myself, more of me was conscious than this overlay, we're limited sliver of ourselves in low frequency.
For some, its not considered safe, there is nothing to do in the lower levels, aside from prove to yourself your out of body, the only purpose is going to the highest rungs of Jacob's Ladder and talking to Higher Self Fully and Father/Mother, really and getting answers.
Anyway the fullness of thought that came was this: I was aware of being awake, not alseep so halted, and had the feeling of two bodies.
This unconscious fuller thought came to me that this was really unusual to my fuller consciousness, as we don't stay in our bodies when they shut down in delta or rem, but always leave.
So I had busted myself so to speak.
Our consciousness keeps us like a mushroom, in the dark, because its always tests of some kind.
Psalm 82 shows even the elohim are tested.
So do we have to work at creating what we use everynight? No one I know who can did this?
Originally posted by Thermo Klein
[My main ways of defense are I also make duplicates of myself which (surprisingly) confuses many things that would be attacking. I've found that I can disconnect my true self from my astral body which allows me to dissolve my astral body at will and make it appear elsewhere or multiple places (Warning: this takes a lot of awareness and practice and should not be attempted by newer travelers. It will cut your silver cord so if you believe in using the cord and rely on it it could spell trouble).
Dear Thermo - This really resonates with me - I have read Carlos Castaneda's The Power of Silence - Further Lessons of don Juan" - and he talks about how to replicate yourself and appear in several places at once. I have done this several times with my family when they really needed me in times of great sorrow. But I was not abe to make my body appear - rather more a shimmering energy glob. In both instances my family member knew it was me and they "heard" what I was saying to them.
Originally posted by The GUT
Thermo Klein, I believe in the contact you basically describe, however, I've yet to see any information--new to us--that can be confirmed or is even particularly helpful..
I do hear and read a lot of channeled messages about love & light & the damage we are doing to this planet, but these channelled sources often contradict each other as far as details of who, what, and where they are from...and other stuff.
There is a lot of veeery vague assertions about our vibrational level and numerous somewhat contradictory concepts about an ascension, duality, STS, STO, etc., but I know dozens of earth folk that I can have that conversation with and it will make more sense than the vagueness seemingly inherent in channelled information. And, heck, everyone knows we're polluting & murdering ourselves off the planet.
I have come to the attitude that these entities are most certainly liars when it comes to delivering on anything they promise or assert is gonna happen in the future.
Either that or subconscious figments that tells one what one wants to hear. At this point in life, I believe the former rather than the latter, but if they DO exist outside one's mind: When are they going to tell us anything that the far eastern religions and the new age authors haven't already covered...and something we can check?