Possible Nerve gas attack; Syria

Possible Nerve gas attack; Syria

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CBRNE in Syria on Wednesday, 15 February, 2012 at 04:27 (04:27 AM) UTC.
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EDIS Number: CR-20120215-34173-SYR
Event type: CBRNE
Date/Time: Wednesday, 15 February, 2012 at 04:27 (04:27 AM) UTC
Last update: ---
Cause of event: Nerve gas attack
Damage level: Moderate
Geographic information
Continent: Middle-East
Country: Syria
County / State: Multiple areas
Area: Homs, Jebel al-Zawia and al-Zabadani
City:
Coordinate: N 33° 43.500, E 36° 5.833
Number of affected people / Humanities loss
Foreign people: Affected is unknown.

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"Adding to the wild speculations about the goings-on in Syria, a defector from the Syrian military has claimed today that the regime is using “nerve gas” against the city of Homs and is preparing to do so elsewhere. Captain Razek also claimed that Russia was providing Syria with special toxins that could cause massive civilian casualties when used in small quantities, and that Russia and Iran had both deployed “experts” to tell Syria where to gas. The allegations aren’t backed by any actual evidence that any sort of “nerve gas” has been used in Syria, and it isn’t clear why Syria, a nation with a significant known chemical weapons arsenal, would have to turn to Russia for weaponry or advice. Allegations about the use of banned nerve gas against protesters are not new to the Arab Spring. In March, doctors in Yemen said that some victims of the “tear gas” used by Yemeni troops were showing signs of exposure to a banned paralytic. So far there hasn’t been any evidence of similar weapons used in Syria, nor has there been the huge spike in deaths that use of actual chemical weapons would be expected to produce."


Still looking for better confirmation.

This could be enough reason to send in an "Investigation team, and humanitarian aid" at least.

CBRNE = Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear and Enhanced Conventional Weapons

Moscow disclaims helping Syria in nerve gas attacks

RBC, 15.02.2012, Moscow 18:49:30.Commenting on recent reports that Russian specialists were assisting Syria's military in using nerve gas against an anti-government uprising in the city of Homs, Russia's Foreign Ministry denied these allegations.

"We deny in the strongest terms any such insinuations. All they do is prove that the Syrian problem is surrounded by an information and propaganda war, inspired by those who descend to slanderous attacks against Russia," the ministry said in a statement, explaining such reports by the determination of certain political forces to "respond to our compelling stand in the Syrian issue and the refusal to sanction any foreign intervention with dirty lies."

So far all stories I've found on this all relate back to just this Captains claims. I haven't been able to find a second source on this at all.

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I honestly did not expect to read this. If true this is very troubling to me.

I do have my doubts though, since I am in the same boat as you, can not find any sources outside of the capt's claim.

I will keep looking though.

Good Data.

Perhaps a Terrorist attack, I mean, there is plenty of Riots & loads of stuff going on around Syria.

Wow great find! This perplexes me because there are so many actors in this play. We got the Syrians govt, an opposition which likely has the support of the Muslim world including fortune fighters from Libya. Then there's Russia, and lets not forget Iran who would not like to see their closest ally's regime falter. The point is the gas could of came from anyone of these people, but everyone in the west who views the situation is going to place the blame on the Assad regime and that may not necessarily be fair, Imagine if there were all these foregin entities in your country trying to destabilize it. Of course the groups would do something like this just because they know they're enemy will get the blame,,, Or Assad really may be using chemical weapons either way this is a #ty situation and it would be over faster if everyone let them (The govt and opposition) take care of it.

Time to start dropping those humanitarian bombs I suppose.
Anyone surprised, whether it's real or a false flag?

If this is true it was predicted about a week or so ago and expected to occure on or about Feb.14-15. Source being an intercept message between some Russian Govt. entity and someone in Syria and involving france as the possible supplier. the attack were to be carried out by the rebels and blamed on the Syrian Goverment to evoke world outrage and UN involvement.
This was a Sorcha Faal (sp) story. Not usually considered a reliable source, from what I read.
**This is best I can recall
I apologize for the sketchyiness of my memory.
Still a bonifide prediction if this is indeed happening now.

Posted this 2 days ago.. but not in Breaking

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Interesting. Lets see what comes out on MSM.

Probably a bunch of sensationalist bs.

Either way, agent orange, white phosphorus, depleted uranium, are all weapons that have been used by the United States.

Besides, if you look a little closer at what's going on in that country, it's really not that simple. See the video below for a different perspective:

Like I mentioned in the other thread that mentioned this.....It's stunning and a game changer IF TRUE. However, this is coming from a defector and rebel reports. Didn't we get the full scoop on Saddam's WMD programs and intentions to just kill the whole region from defectors and Iraqi ex-pats?

Haven't Iranian Defectors been trickling out for at least 10 years now saying Iran is ALMOST ready for a nuclear weapon to be tested....again and again. Iran ought to have a full arsenal by now to listen to the breathless reports of defectors in the past.

Now it appears that Syria actually IS one of the largest holders and producers of Chemical weapons in the world. More power to them..... I can't complain when my own nation invented some of it and stockpiled enough to kill life on Earth a few times over. So.... *IF* Assad used it and more than hearsay reports can confirm it with the kind of evidence that came to prove the Iraqi Kurd gassings...then it's curtains for Assad. He has to die. Period.

Let's just not fall for this line of crap AGAIN....if that level of absolute proof doesn't exist. So far, I haven't seen it.

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Your inbed looks like the NBC 1 report that the US military uses.

www.globalsecurity.org...

Which strikes me as troubling.

Didn't Saddam also use this tactic on the Kurds? Yep, sure did. Of course back then we didn't have 24/7/365 connectivity.

If this report is true, it will not turn out very well for Assad. Even Russia can no longer legitimally back him if this is proven.

As said before, it's only a matter of time before NATO gets involved Libya style, and once they do, the Iran/Israel brew-ha kicks off and then it's a free for all..

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Either way, agent orange, white phosphorus, depleted uranium, are all weapons that have been used by the United States.

Why does majority of the people instantly start comparing US and the weapons it used when a thread with such news is opened? Why not compare it to Iraq/Iran War or Nazi Germany?

Its still not proven if the alert reported is true.

Just curious.

reply to post by hp1229

The Syrian Government is acutely aware of the fact that extremes in the use of force increase the risk of overt internationally-sanctioned intervention. Up until very recently its 'crackdown' has been characterised by the measures that it has not taken.

The Russian/Chinese veto coincided with a large number of reports of the use of extreme force, some more credible than others, however I very much doubt that the Syrian Government would authorise the use of nerve agents. The risks massively outweigh the benefits, which are pretty questionable in themselves.

This is particularly dubious:

Captain Razek also claimed that Russia was providing Syria with special toxins that could cause massive civilian casualties when used in small quantities, and that Russia and Iran had both deployed “experts” to tell Syria where to gas.

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Nerve Gas?

I fear this is something which could be plotted on the London Underground as its very easy for any terrorist to get on the trains with anything and with the Olympics coming up i'll be staying away from the underground network as much as possible during this period of Olympic Games!!

How can they even be delivering these games at this time when so much is being said about possible new attacks on Europe?

reply to post by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

The thing is...The London Olympics could just as easily be 'gassed' by a London pensioner who is pissed at the world, so cooked up a Sarin concoction in his kitchen to blow through the Underground. I wouldn't worry about the games in relation to this.... Munich set a precedent I don't think even Iran or Syria will mess with.

That has to be one of the only times where Israel was essentially given a blank check by the world to go headhunting and kill everyone on their list. It'll happen again....exactly the same way....for whatever nation suffers an attack at the games and everyone who'd commit such an attack knows it. It's not quite Mutually Assured Destruction because there is no two sides to it. It's Absolutely Assured Destruction for the attackers.

So... Worry about lone nuts and small extremist groups that can't think big picture or long term consequence. I'd be stunned into pure shock to see a nation...let alone Syria...sponsor anything negative to the World Olympic Games.

Lots of martyrdom candidates i hear......
The use of nerve agents will be the excuse to go all out against Assad....Even the mightyRussian bear couldnt save him then.....
Its a perfect false flag opportunity.
The proof will have to be overwhelming however, the world is aware of being lied to before, and it wont go so easy this time.....
Escalation seems to be the name of the game on both sides till one or the other snaps and starts the shooting.
Just another day in the world.....ho hum....

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
reply to post by hp1229

 

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Mostly because currently the US is probably one of the more hated countries in the world, for all the imperialism and stuff. It's a relevant comparison. Nazi Germany isn't relevant anymore other than a historical sense. Conflicts occurring today and atrocities occurring today are what we should be making comparisons with.

Oh and they usually vehemently deny such things when they occur in regards to themselves, while condemning the actions of others. Many other countries don't hide the fact they are using those sorts of weapons.

But enough about the US, I don't want to drag this thread off topic.
~Tenth

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

Who is condemning anyone? The link is pointing to a global disaster reporting website. Which countries that you know that doesn't hide the facts that they are using such weapons?