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right off the top of my head: driving. huge risk there in which we are forced to accept the researchers claim that driving is indeed dangerous with a high degree of significance. should we now stop driving and forego the obvious benefits we receive from it?
Originally posted by research100
Researchers have found a type of parasite that turns bees into zombies, causing them to exhibit strange behavior before dying.
Originally posted by Blue Shift
This is all caused because people are demanding more "naturally grown" gourmet fruits and vegetables, and more honey. And who are these people? Ironically, they're the same relatively wealthy Earth-aware hippie types who buy their upscale fruits and veggies and honey at places like Whole Foods! The same ones worried about the bees! Oh, the irony.
Originally posted by tgidkp
Originally posted by ShockTruther
reply to post by tgidkp
And you cannot deny that the current model of GMO is driven solely by profit.
i do not deny this and i am no stranger to the "lies" of the establishment. believe it or not, i actually practice what i preach. i am not simply being a jerk. i am a jerk with a purpose. thanks for a rational perspective which actually adds to the discussion.
You only highlight your own ignorance by persisting in your argument.
....was that really necessary?
You're right, that was out of line. I apologize.
I understand your mind set as I have been there myself. I have completed a BS in microbiology (with strong emphasis on biochem and genetics) and a MS in food science (it was actually a molecular biology project) and I've been to the J. Craig Venter several times for classes and training. (You should see the microarray printers they have there...:up
I understand where you're coming from, because the promise of genetic engineering is so great. I believe that the potential is amazing, almost unlimited once we master it. However, I can tell you from experience that universities, companies, and science in general is absolutely corrupted. This is not to say that every individual researcher is corrupt, and this is not to say that new technologies can even be judged morally. I am saying that money rules and the only science that gets done is science that will profit a corporation.
The funding for all major projects comes from either a company, or a government institution such as the FDA, USDA, NSF, etc. These institutions are run by former CEOs and other high ranking officers of corporations (see the graphic posted previously in this thread.) I used to think that the science could be done for its own merit and that I was not ethically responsible for how it was used in the end. I cannot accept that any longer. If it's all about the money, then it is not sound science. Period.
The restriction of scientific endevour to only include projects which will be extremely profitable is a travesty. The argument that science must pay for itself is fine for a company's R&D department. But what about government funded projects? What about the corruption of academia and the complete destruction of altuism? The solely-for-profit scheme is bad, but the biggest sin is the ridicule and/or complete neglect of investigating other ways of solving problems. All those people doing small-scale unfunded research outside the system aren't real scientists, right? They're just a bunch of kooks... Not to mention the suppression of science that may prove a profitable product is harmful, or a long used product has caused lots of damage. Ever read the EPA's dioxin report? No, you haven't, because it has been withheld for nearly 20 years..
Are you convinced that the solutions I suggested previously cannot solve the scarcity problem? Permaculture, ecological education, using native food plants, water conservation, developing heirlooms for a given region, etc. Have you even looked at these avenues of approaching the problem? These solutions are often ridiculed as being implausible and unrealistic. Why? Where are the numbers to prove that null hypothesis? Ask yourself, which is the more permanent solution, permaculture and native plants, or GMOs that require poor people to buy seed, fertilizer, AND herbicides? Which solution will actually permanently better the lives of the people that we are supposedly trying to help?
I would suggest that you do some soul searching and seriously consider the problem of funding for science. Can the science be ethical if it has only the promise of doing good in the world? What happens when that promise is time and again abused and the implementation is something completely different? Are universities and academics really ethically free of wrongdoing when they have enough information to know that their work will most likely be turned into a purely profit seeking venture? I say, no. You cannot wash your hands when you have eyes to see the corrupt system you are voluntarily contributing to.
This is why I've decided to get out of the sciences and go to medical school. This way I can start a private practice. I will not contribute to the corrupt system by taking more patients than I can handle and pushing pills. I will take the time to educate and truly help my patients. I may end up poor because of it, but I believe that my conscience and yes, my soul, are too valuable. They are not for sale. IF I find a place to do research that makes a REASONABLE profit (maybe a small start up) and has a good chance of not selling out, I may reconsider. But as things stand now, well I refuse to contribute to the empire of lies for profedit on 16-2-2012 by ShockTruther because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Phage
Your source would not be considered the most unbiased. I see no indication in your source that GM corn is "the culprit".
Clothianidin is a widely used pesticide. Since it is a pesticide, it's not really surprising that bees have a problem with it.
edit on 2/15/2012 by Phage because: (no reason given)
Permaculture, ecological education, using native food plants.......
I would suggest that you do some soul searching and seriously consider the problem of funding for science.