What the Pentagon Guard Told Me About 9/11

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:35 AM
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Good Morning, ATS.

Let me start this thread with a couple of caveats. What I have to share is purely anecdotal. I can offer no proof, just repeat what happened.

Second caveat. I do not have a firm position on what occurred during the hours of September 11, 2001. I don’t quite believe the official story, but I also view the various conspiracy theories with skepticism.

Okay, so enough disclaimers. Here’s my story:

Last year I went to Washington, D.C. with a group of students, teachers, and parent chaperones. The trip included a visit to the Pentagon.

We arrived at the Pentagon, went through a lot of security screenings, and then were led to a “meeting room” to wait for our escort. The escorts, who were resplendent in military uniforms, divided our group into three sections. We then proceeded to take the tour.

If you’ve never had the opportunity to tour the Pentagon, well….you aren’t missing much. Obviously we were kept in the “public domain” sections. The kids enjoyed it, which was the main reason to visit.

While on the tour, our military escort took us to the 9/11 memorial. According to him, the memorial was built at the exact location of the plane crash. It was a small room, with the names and photos of the deceased. All in all, a tasteful yet somber memorial.

While our students looked around, one of the teachers went to talk to our escort. I shall call her “Norma.” Norma is a salty old lady and I love her dearly. She has that no-nonsense attitude and can strike terror into the heart of any recalcitrant student or parent. Norma and I often discussed 9/11. She doesn’t buy the official story at all, and is quite vocal about it. So when she approached the guard, I knew it was going to be really good….or very bad. So of course I was close on her heels.

She led the escort to the side and said, in her best teacher voice, “Did a plane really crash into this building?”

The guard was flabbergasted and obviously ill at ease. He replied with a curt, “Yes, ma’am.” Norma gave him the eye and waited. It’s a great interrogation technique; the person under question finds the silence uncomfortable and will often try to fill it, thereby possibly contradicting his/her own testimony. Which is exactly what happened.

By now several of the adults and quite a few children had wandered over to where we stood (the room really wasn’t that big). Our escort pointed out the window, where you could see the interstate bypass bridge. He then proceeded to tell us about a woman who was stuck in traffic on that bridge. She had a sunroof, and when the people heard the plane incoming, she stood up in her car, poked her head out of the sunroof, and touched the plane with her hand.

I’m not a doctor, nor am I particularly well-versed with physics. However, I’m fairly certain that anyone who touched a plane with their hand while the plane WAS IN FLIGHT would end up with extensive injuries. I also doubt that any sane person would attempt such a ridiculous thing in the first place.

As soon as he told us this amazing story, I called foul. I explained my thinking, and did so in the presence of most of the students. He just shrugged and said it really happened that way. Then we left the room and continued with the tour.

Interesting enough, on the way out of the Pentagon, Norma and I were taken to a different exit. Here we had to present our driver’s license, which was photocopied, and provide biographical info (address, phone number, etc). I’m not sure the point, since before our group could tour the Pentagon we had to undergo security checks and they already had this info. I believe it was more of a scare tactic than anything else.

This year, our school was not allowed to tour the Pentagon. According to them, they were already booked for the day.

So that’s my story, ATS. I realize its not going to blow any holes in the 9/11 controversy, but I wanted to share because I find the whole thing rather strange and surreal. I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks, ATS!




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:46 AM
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:47 AM
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good for 'norma'! i think i would like to meet her,she sounds like my kinda gal!!!

cool story,and the moral is DON'T ASK QUESTIONS---OR ELSE!



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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I agree with you. Aside from the injuries it would have been going to quick to casually reach up & touch it. The escort had no idea. Pretty much safe to say it could not have happened not it did not happen.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 07:57 AM
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Well that's a new theory I've never heard of!

I can't believe a person would even tell such a fabricated story.
Maybe it was just to make it more "child-friendly"...but still.

Smylee, you do realize your probably on a list now?
I'm not saying it's time to get paranoid, but why did you let them take that info?
Under who's authority do the get the need for you personal information....twice?

I don't know if I'd handle that situtation the same as you.







posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:12 AM
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Originally posted by havok
Well that's a new theory I've never heard of!

I can't believe a person would even tell such a fabricated story.
Maybe it was just to make it more "child-friendly"...but still.

Smylee, you do realize your probably on a list now?
I'm not saying it's time to get paranoid, but why did you let them take that info?
Under who's authority do the get the need for you personal information....twice?

I don't know if I'd handle that situtation the same as you.






Before we could even go into the Pentagon we had to submit this information. We also had to submit our social security numbers. We did this months in advance so they could do a security check. That's why I didn't balk at giving them the info...they already had it. On the other hand, if I'd balked and caused a scene, what do you think would have happened? Arrest?

I live a very simple life. If they've got me on surveilance, the poor sod who's watching the tapes is really really bored.




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:15 AM
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I guess they think if we're dumb enough to believe the official story they tell us, we're dumb enough to believe anything.

A plane flying that low, moving as fast as it had to have been going would have blown her right off the car. If she did manage to reach up and touch it somehow, it would have ruined her hands.

Imagine going down the highway 65 miles an hour and sticking your hand out the window to touch the guardrail. You wouldn't be that stupid. Now imagine your car was going as fast as that plane was going and doing it. Or try sticking your hand out to touch a moving train.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl
On the other hand, if I'd balked and caused a scene, what do you think would have happened? Arrest?

I live a very simple life. If they've got me on surveilance, the poor sod who's watching the tapes is really really bored.


No, you likely would have disappeared to that underground submarine base under the Nevada desert. The folks there will be used to colonize the moon.

Also, I'd suggest you check under you bed every night. Government and/or Pentagon snoops can hide in unusually tight and unexpected spaces. Also, if I were you I'd make sure my Will was up to date. You're an obvious threat to National Security....



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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Hahahahahahahahaha


Seriously!!! A woman touched a moving jet aircraft from the sunroof of a car???

1st of all there's the immensely hot gas exiting the engines could probably burn her just by being behind it,then coupled with the fact that if the plane was low enough for her to "touch" from her sunroof wouldnt the cars have all been blown back by the force of the jet and thirdly if it was flying at that height coming down if she could touch the bottom from her sunroof wouldnt the plane already be hitting lamp posts street signs etc etc

what a shower of sh*te



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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I had never heard this bit about some woman touching a jet moving at 500+ knots? coming in for a nice kamakazi style entrance into the pentagon.. (which just made a relatively small hole), (enter huge LOL here)

And told to a tour group by a pencil pushing military officer.... I think this easily illustrates how telling lies can be frought with hazards... This is just too unbelievable for words..



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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good story,I have a similar one when my sons class took the annual trip to D.C.in 2008.The memorial wasn't finnished but thats where we ended up,If I may say it was the fastest tour I've ever experienced.I remember going there in the mid 90's and could walk right in to take a tour,not much security then.

Anyways the chapel was open and there was an retired Marine(in his 80's) hanging around and told his story of how the plane crashed right in front of his desk. his office was located one floor above.He said he was positioned under his desk and barely made it out alive.I remember how he described the complete blackness around him and the heat and the planes wing right next to his desk?At the time I wasn't into ats or any conspiracy theories but something sounded a bit scripted.I have no doubt that's what they do for the tours they make sure that there are people there to tell the official version of 911.

I agree with the other posters,the womans fingers would have been taken off her hand if she had touched the plane,what utter nonsense


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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by smyleegrl
So that’s my story, ATS. I realize its not going to blow any holes in the 9/11 controversy, but I wanted to share because I find the whole thing rather strange and surreal. I would appreciate your thoughts.

Thanks, ATS!


Yeah, that story sounds like yet another "something that someone heard that someone else heard" that changed a simple story into something outlandish after so many iterations. It's almost certainly based upon a real eyewitness account (the mention of the sunroof makes it sound vaguely like Penny Elgas' eyewitness testimony) but by the time it got to yoru chaperone it became a whole different story.

Not that it matters, as there were so many other legitimate eyewitness accounts from journalists in nearby buildings to an immigrant from El Salvador watering the Pentagon lawns that irrefutably certify it was a plane that hit the Pentagon so there really isn't any need to be inventing such stories. Let's face it, only in conspiracy mongor paranoa world does it make sense that novice pilots aren't capable of crashing an airplane.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 08:41 AM
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IMO, I would think that the guard made up that story to appeal to the children and make light of the situation.

Maybe even some adults would buy that story as well. You never know. Thanks for sharing!



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 09:39 AM
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It sounds to me like he was taking the piss.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 09:48 AM
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good thing no 18 wheelers on the road.

Scary to me- I want smarter guards at the pentagon.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 09:53 AM
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This belongs in short stories, the fact that the government took "normas" information means that there is no need to hide her name, i understanding hiding yours however anyway no point going futher your a lier.


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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by R3velutionR3quired
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This belongs in short stories, the fact that the government took "normas" information means that there is no need to hide her name, i understanding hiding yours however anyway no point going futher your a lier.


Those are fighting words, my friend. I do not lie. Nor will I post the name of Norma. I doubt she visits this website, but regardless I will continue to keep her identity secret.

Just because the government took our info doesn't mean I have to give it to you. Don't like it, move along...



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by Reheat

Originally posted by smyleegrl
On the other hand, if I'd balked and caused a scene, what do you think would have happened? Arrest?

I live a very simple life. If they've got me on surveilance, the poor sod who's watching the tapes is really really bored.


No, you likely would have disappeared to that underground submarine base under the Nevada desert. The folks there will be used to colonize the moon.

Also, I'd suggest you check under you bed every night. Government and/or Pentagon snoops can hide in unusually tight and unexpected spaces. Also, if I were you I'd make sure my Will was up to date. You're an obvious threat to National Security....


Actually, I probably am a threat in my own little way.

I'm a teacher. Guess what lesson my students learned at the Pentagon: Question Authority.
The kids didn't buy the story, either. At first they did, kids will accept anything as truth if presented as such. But when we got back to our bus we had a huge discussion. Their final consensus was that it couldn't have happened that way.

Then we discussed why the guard might have told us that story. I kept it out of the realm of conspiracy theories, but frankly if we can get our children to question what they are told and learn to look for the answers themselves, then we have the seeds for revolution,.





posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:05 AM
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So a plane really crashed into the pentagon because someone touched it? what absolute garbage, any way we can find this in writing on a pentagon site? probably something they only tell the foot soldiers, a little insideknowledge ha.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:11 AM
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so you are saying a military office in charge of school trips to the pentagon memorial doesnt have his facts right? you surprise me dave, I never thought you would be so skeptical of the "official story" maybe you should work that pentagon gig, tell everyone about the dangers of "damn fool truther conspiracy websites"






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