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Why do you love the Military…I’ll tell you why I do.

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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Just to join in with the plethora of “Why do you love” threads.

I grew up in the military. And was quite rebellious at that. My Dad was a career man, my Mom died when I was young. Most of the grey hair on my Dads head was caused by me. A fact I am not proud of.

When I enlisted, I was still a wild child. Busted multiple times. Held the rank of PV2 three times, PFC three times, Specialist three times, Sergeant twice, Staff Sergeant once and finally retired as a Sergeant First Class.

It was a colorful career. Some of the best times in my life, but I believe that there are new adventures ahead. Don’t dwell on the past…look to the future.

When I first enlisted, I chose the MOS of 19D, Cav Scout. This was in the days before the Bradleys and RECON was sneak and peek. We were always trained and tested to think for ourselves as we operated in small teams, often quite away from support.

The team became your defacto family. To paraphrase Animal House, NO ONE could beat upon a team member…but US.

During the course of my career I also trained in CBNRE and the last 12 years were as a PSYOPer. (I know..it’s ATS…Booga-booga! :lol


During all this time, I have stayed true to my morals, standards and ethics though I questioned them…and still do to this day.

Does the Military have bad apples…of course they do! Just like Occupy has bad apples.

JUST AS SOCIETY HAS BAD APPLES AS A WHOLE.

Like I said, I was a wild child and still as I get older…still consider myself so.

But if it were not for the military and the challenges that were provided…I’d probably be in jail.

The military taught me how to channel my wild into a constructive not destructive manner.

And for that I love ‘em.

Now that I am nearing my one year retirement date anniversary, I find that I am missing coaching, training and mentoring Soldiers the way I was.




posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:07 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex

JUST AS SOCIETY HAS BAD APPLES AS A WHOLE.




JUST AS THE MILITARY IS AN ORGANIZATION FOR KILLING AND MURDER AS A WHOLE.

Fixed for you.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:14 AM
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That is part of the job description. I accepted that. But I WILL not kill, just for killings sake.

Really?

And ya forgot this...

"The military taught me how to channel my wild into a constructive not destructive manner."


Fixed your fix...

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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Yeah the military is great. A good place to go when you need to escape, grow up, and get your # together. People shouldn't hate on the military, the military is just a tool, like any weapon. You have to consider who uses the tool, and how.
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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Ghost375
 


That is part of the job description. I accepted that. But I WILL not kill, just for killings sake.

Really?

And ya forgot this...

"The military taught me how to channel my wild into a constructive not destructive manner."


Fixed your fix...
You didn't fix it, you just disregarded it, and aiding in murder obviously doesn't bother you. You have such great morals. /sarcasm
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Most people are wild in their youth. Saying you would've remained wild without the military is a weak argument, seeing as the majority of people grow up and live constructive lives without the military.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 02:35 AM
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Well..I know me. And I am true to myself.

You know you. I assume you are as well

Just sayin'

By the way...I have never murdered anybody. You'll have to blame my governnment for that.

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posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:05 AM
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I am sorry but that sounds like a huge cop out to say that you never murdered anyone and that the government should be blamed for that. We are all born with the gift of free will, if your will was not strong enough when put to the test, i don't think it is fair to lay all the blame somewhere else. If you become obese from eating too many McDonalds burgers are you going to claim that the blame lays solely on them for making their burgers so darn tasty and fattening .

If you have been directly or indirectly responsible for the murder of another human being, at least have the balls to own up to that and be proud of the reasons why you did it. If you can't do that it only indicates that you are ashamed of what you have done.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:12 AM
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I have nothing against the military, i do have a problem with the people who use them.

Especially when they use it to steal another persons natural resources or to punish a nation who resists their attempts to exploit their industries.

Which is why all wars are fought for in the end.

America is guilty of that. And George w. bush was the most guilty. He cost the lives of over 4000 American troops and the mental health of over thirty thousand Americans who served over seas to pursue his own agenda and the agenda of those in power with him.

He is by every definition a traitor to the costitution. A crime punishable by death according to American law.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:18 AM
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I think what he's trying to say is it's just his job, following orders and all that jazz. Which I agree with. On the other hand it's not such a bad thing, I know murder can be but people will be forever killing people and if one military doesn't kill someone another then there is a good chance the opposing ones will come kill you. It's not nice but it's life.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:34 AM
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I fully agree with the premis that humanity as always been at war and that it is in some way part of our genetic make up. But what i disagree with is taking part in a war or being part of a war machine but then claiming that you are not responsible in any way for the death, damage and destruction that is caused.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 03:38 AM
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anything to train to fight is nonsense. you need to grow up, your the cancer in society at the moment.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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My fifth year in is when I discovered that I wasn't in America's military; I was in Rothchild's military. Needless to say, I got out at the end of my enlistment.

Military people aren't bad, but they work for evil people. With more info coming to light everyday; soon no one will be able to use ignorance as an excuse for continuing to serve these people.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 05:08 AM
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Yeah you're right military is for tools. You say you haven't murdered anyone your government did.
Unless they were there pressing the trigger, you still are tthe killer, in the end, you enlisted knowing you were gonna kill people but, hey, it helped you channel your wild side ( with and M16 )

Tell me , as you have noticed I have great aversion for military purposes all together, tell me
have you ever gunned down a man? You can start your response by yes or no.
And don't go , its TPTB, they told me to do it. The good ol' saying if someone jumped off a bridge, would you do it?

Peace and Love brother killer divider of the sheeple and the masses



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by TDawgRex

JUST AS SOCIETY HAS BAD APPLES AS A WHOLE.




JUST AS THE MILITARY IS AN ORGANIZATION FOR KILLING AND MURDER AS A WHOLE.

Fixed for you.


This mentality makes me sick when it comes to the military. I know many people who are either enlisted or already served and not ONE of them is a murderer. Get your facts straight. The select few who do take this job to the extreme level do NOT account for the military men and women as a whole.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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I also know many people who probably should have been in the military to get that constructive lifestyle! The military isn't bad, it's those select few like in ANY job that ruin it as a whole for the rest of the people.


OP good thread


I like the military cause i have loved ones who serve or have served. I know what they have gone through and given up for their service. Yes it was a choice and many say they would do it all over again because it gave them something they lacked. Many can't pin point what that is but from what I gather it is a good thing. They also credit the military with their life experiences such as traveling and seeing different parts of the world that in a regular 9-5 job you wont see. My ex, who is Navy and stationed overseas, was never home and it was hard but I knew it was his job and I respected that. I will never know what it's like to be away from loved ones and family and it bothers me when people sit here and call them murderers when they haven't a clue what they are dealing with. It can be really hard on these men and women and for people to make comments like that just irk me!

S&F



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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Hats of to you dude
And well done - as I've read from some comments here most will never understand
Regrettably most will never understand the brotherhood or the willingness to put yourself after others
How many customer service reps or office workers would throw themselves on a grenade ( or any form of harms way )to save a man whose only connection with you is you work together
And then theirs those that say following orders is no excuse and that we are a cancer on society And that we should know this - its all our fault
Says these supporters of slave labour the rapeing of our planet the very people that feed Tptb and encourage Their expansion ( hey you all have a computer/phone and know how they are made there fore by your own statements IT'S YOUR FAULT THE WORLDS SCREWED )
Just applying your thinking to yourselves
Hypocrites !
But to you OP
Have a good one brother



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by Utopian
I am sorry but that sounds like a huge cop out to say that you never murdered anyone and that the government should be blamed for that. We are all born with the gift of free will, if your will was not strong enough when put to the test, i don't think it is fair to lay all the blame somewhere else. If you become obese from eating too many McDonalds burgers are you going to claim that the blame lays solely on them for making their burgers so darn tasty and fattening .

If you have been directly or indirectly responsible for the murder of another human being, at least have the balls to own up to that and be proud of the reasons why you did it. If you can't do that it only indicates that you are ashamed of what you have done.


Have I ever shot at a fellow human? yep. But they were shooting at me. They weren't wandering around some market. There have been times where the insurgents did ambush us in the market place and used innocents as human shields. And yes, innocents were shot by both sides in the melee that followed.

Those were the most sad and angry moments of my life.

Killing someone who is trying to kill you is not murder in my mind. I consider it survival.

Personal responsibility is lacking these days. I always strove to instill/reinforce that in those I led. During my time in the service, I know I saved and helped more lives than took.

Remember that the US military is a microcosm of the populace as a whole. No sane Soldier wants to kill another human being. Most would prefer to be helping others, rather than killing.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:30 AM
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Thank you and well said.

I'm ok with those who feel the service is not for them, it probably isn't.

But too many people here paint with such broad brushes and rarely consider themselves in anothers shoes. It must be hard on their lungs up there in the rarified atmosphere of their own morality.



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by Neocrusader
 


Thank you and well said.

I'm ok with those who feel the service is not for them, it probably isn't.

But too many people here paint with such broad brushes and rarely consider themselves in anothers shoes. It must be hard on their lungs up there in the rarified atmosphere of their own morality.
I think it cuts both ways really, just as the military types paint anyone who apposes them as softy liberal hippies.

I don't agree with wars and the military but if anyone ever attacked my family I'd attack them back.

The thing I see quite often is the military people saying they do it for their country or to protect civilians, please.... most do it because it's something to do, or it's a job or the fact that they like playing with guns. I've seen these fly on the wall docu's following the military, very few say they did it for the country or protect freedom etc etc.

I'm not against any military idividual, I'm sure you all have your reasons and stories for joining and that's cool, but I don't agree with war, killing, violence and to me signing up for those things says to me you support those things because why else would you sign up for it?

No sir, I don't buy this moral high ground the military types take about saving freedom, protecting the innocent...



posted on Feb, 15 2012 @ 12:19 PM
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Originally posted by Utopian
I am sorry but that sounds like a huge cop out to say that you never murdered anyone and that the government should be blamed for that. We are all born with the gift of free will, if your will was not strong enough when put to the test, i don't think it is fair to lay all the blame somewhere else. If you become obese from eating too many McDonalds burgers are you going to claim that the blame lays solely on them for making their burgers so darn tasty and fattening .

If you have been directly or indirectly responsible for the murder of another human being, at least have the balls to own up to that and be proud of the reasons why you did it. If you can't do that it only indicates that you are ashamed of what you have done.


In the OP's defence,I don't think "i'm just excercising my free will" when refusing to obey an order to attack and potentially kill a targeted position would cut it somehow! additionally if murder can be defined as the wilful taking of another human life can a member of the military truly be accused of murder even though their actions may result in death, that is not their primary intention.




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