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Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by LeSigh
You need to read some more books.
Jesus wasn't to be worshiped. That misses the purpose. Any blind dog can understand that.
Mark of the Beast is pure Crap.so is the Rapture. Fake foney bullony.
you and me arguing about it isnt going to prove anything.
This thread isnt the place to argue the validity of the Bible.
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by rwfresh
I agree with a lot of what you say.... But what are the people initiating these advancements thinking? what if the modern future and supremely advanced technology is the only salvation for humans? What if going along with the plan is the best decision, but the mark of the beast stuff and the bible will create a "good" revolution to get the people to revolt against the futuristic way, and then the scientists and government elites will say we told you so but suit yourselves, you should have trusted us, now we are in our bases and spaceships and your the ones burning in "hell"....
its all very dualistic, and contradicting and confusing..... because natural man is what can be interprted as a beast.... i guess this is called the system of the beast because it is the elite ( shepherds) herding and farming the beastly and lowly man, who may have gizmos and gadgets,,, but will never have the freedom of spirit he did years and years ago..... this is the same problem when people today call the average person a working class slave with no freedom, even though they may go on their business a creatively and willfully create a life for themselves, where as that same person thousands of years ago would be toiling in mud all day every day....
its a very confusing situation..... because we are alive in this point of time, where the physical manifestations we are, and the civilization they are a part of, a minority of that civilization is striving to completely evolve the physical manifestations,.,. their eye is on the prize, they have had enough and perhaps they believe they are doing a great positive duty.... how can we know what is truly positive or best before we do it... in a very important way we can, by analyzing, questioning, judging contemplating.. but every choice from the perspective of free will has consequences,,, it is from that perspective one must weigh and know the consequences....
the world for millions of years has been cycling away,countless drama within every second of that time period,, all the inventions and establishments of systems and cities,, and now individuals have the power to drastically refract what has been a realtivisticly mellow playing field of evolution into many different paths of diverse future...
Originally posted by quedup
reply to post by rwfresh
I'm with you all the way - you make excellent points that only idiots would ignore - it is happening as we speak.
However, considering the wish for population reduction - implants via vaccination are the perfect weapon.
Your immune system can be targeted at the press of a button -
'Oh populations creeping up again lets get rid of a million elderly'
' Oh let's get rid of these people - I don't like their culture'
' We can do without these disabled people too'
'The unemployed are costing too much money - time we reduced their numbers - what's their occupations'
'These Gay people are causing too much trouble'
They can simply send out a killer flu virus (like the deadly one they've just created) and switch off the system in the implant (bacterial sized) that protects against the flu and there we go - population reduced to ........
It even looks toward the future when they will be able to do more with their nano's - oh your flu implant isn't working - here's a new updated one -
How many years is it since they found how to use implants in animals - the family pet etc., So how much further down the road are they now?
But no - they will say - they wouldn't do that to us
That nice Mr Gates is being very kind and helpful with his flu vaccines in Africa -
edit on 15-2-2012 by quedup because: (no reason given)
p.s this will eventually benefit bankers not the government, bankers are the bad guys
H.R. 3200 section 2521, Pg. 1001, paragraph 1.
The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that— ‘‘is or has been used in or on a patient; ‘‘and is— ‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable, life-supporting, or life-sustaining.”
What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? As you saw earlier, it is the device approved by the FDA in 2004.
Investors last week handed another $16.5 million to MicroCHIPS, the Bedford start-up that has spent more than a decade working on an implantable medical device capable of delivering drugs inside the body or sensing changes in disease states.
California’s InterWest Partners is a new participant in this round, joining the Bay State firms Polaris Venture Partners and Flybridge Capital Partners, and corporate investors like Novartis and Medtronic.
The company’s total funding is now “just over $70 million,’’ founder and chief executive John Santini said.
‘‘a class III device; or ‘‘a class II device that is implantable.”
Then, the very next thing the secretary is to do is to create the process by which “patient safety and outcomes data from multiple sources”, which is electronic medical records, that are linked to these newly and uniquely identified items from paragraph 1 which are the class III and class II implantable devices.
Class III devises are items such as breast implants, pacemakers, heart valves, etc. A Class II device that is implantable is, as you seen from the FDA, an implantable radio frequency transponder, RFID chip. From breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B which is, “for linking such data with the information included in the registry”? As we know from subsection A, the information in the registry is the name of a device. In plain speak, we are in a clear way being told that our electronic medical records are going to be linked to a class II implantable device!
Originally posted by ImaFungi
reply to post by rwfresh
I know what your saying......
what im saying is,, do you think the people who are making these innovations, trans human strivings are idiots, .... if they could do what they are doing and what they want but not effect you,,,,, do you think what they are doing is silly or futile or unnecessary or too no reward? do you think they are just idiots who get off on control,,, or could there be a way greater and objective, that is positive, maybe even destined.....
what i was trying to convey in my other posts is what if the world will go through a cleansing phase because of all the snip humans have done maybe not, but all the efforts the elites made with bases and advanced technology is humanities savior and they were the ones who saw that future, took heed to that calling,,.,. what if this is a moment a branch of the human species dramatic evolution and their path is "cooler" and better... and we will be left like lions have surpassed the mice.... or the humans have surpassed the neandrathal...
Originally posted by flyingunknown
Ever since I was 10 years old I've been hearing the rumors... "The implants are coming!, the implants are coming!"
At this point I don't care if they come or not, but I will not get one.
Being a futurist I can tell you how the implant scenario will work.
It will be on a voluntary basis, for years, perhaps 10, 15, 20 years.
Then the government will pass some stupid law and make it mandatory.
That's the only way they will get away with it, ease it in, make it seem normal,
there will be plenty of guinea pigs to volunteer. The year buffer will be an attempt
to 'sell' everyone else on the un-needed product. I will say no to it, apparently
these already exist in our credit cards, but it's not the same as being in my body,
many will say no to bodily implants.
Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, Revelation 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: Revelation 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 13:16 And he causes all, both small and great, and rich and poor, and free and slave, to be given a mark upon their right hand or upon their foreheads,
13:17 and that no one should be able to buy or sell except he that has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
13:18 Here is the wisdom! He who has understanding, let him calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.1 Footnote: 1Some ancient manuscripts have 616 instead of 666.