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Bush "could" be suffering from Alzheimers

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posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Bush's problem

This article states that Bush was articulate and intelligent.
Its very interesting. This may explain why he seems dumb lately.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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The dunce

His former Harvard Business School professor recalls George W. Bush not just as a terrible student but as spoiled, loutish and a pathological liar.

Sept. 16, 2004 | For 25 years, Yoshi Tsurumi, one of George W. Bush's professors at Harvard Business School, was content with his green-card status as a permanent legal resident of the United States. But Bush's ascension to the presidency in 2001 prompted the Japanese native to secure his American citizenship. The reason: to be able to speak out with the full authority of citizenship about why he believes Bush lacks the character and intellect to lead the world's oldest and most powerful democracy.

"I don't remember all the students in detail unless I'm prompted by something," Tsurumi said in a telephone interview Wednesday. "But I always remember two types of students. One is the very excellent student, the type as a professor you feel honored to be working with. Someone with strong social values, compassion and intellect -- the very rare person you never forget. And then you remember students like George Bush, those who are totally the opposite."

The future president was one of 85 first-year MBA students in Tsurumi's macroeconomic policies and international business class in the fall of 1973 and spring of 1974. Tsurumi was a visiting associate professor at Harvard Business School from January 1972 to August 1976; today, he is a professor of international business at Baruch College in New York.

Trading as usual on his father's connections, Bush entered Harvard in 1973 for a two-year program. He'd just come off what George H.W. Bush had once called his eldest son's "nomadic years" -- partying, drifting from job to job, working on political campaigns in Florida and Alabama and, most famously, apparently not showing up for duty in the Alabama National Guard.

Harvard Business School's rigorous teaching methods, in which the professor interacts aggressively with students, and students are encouraged to challenge each other sharply, offered important insights into Bush, Tsurumi said. In observing students' in-class performances, "you develop pretty good ideas about what are their weaknesses and strengths in terms of thinking, analysis, their prejudices, their backgrounds and other things that students reveal," he said.

One of Tsurumi's standout students was Rep. Chris Cox, R-Calif., now the seventh-ranking member of the House Republican leadership. "I typed him as a conservative Republican with a conscience," Tsurumi said. "He never confused his own ideology with economics, and he didn't try to hide his ignorance of a subject in mumbo jumbo. He was what I call a principled conservative." (Though clearly a partisan one. On Wednesday, Cox called for a congressional investigation of the validity of documents that CBS News obtained for a story questioning Bush's attendance at Guard duty in Alabama.)

Bush, by contrast, "was totally the opposite of Chris Cox," Tsurumi said. "He showed pathological lying habits and was in denial when challenged on his prejudices and biases. He would even deny saying something he just said 30 seconds ago. He was famous for that. Students jumped on him; I challenged him." When asked to explain a particular comment, said Tsurumi, Bush would respond, "Oh, I never said that." A White House spokeswoman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

In 1973, as the oil and energy crisis raged, Tsurumi led a discussion on whether government should assist retirees and other people on fixed incomes with heating costs. Bush, he recalled, "made this ridiculous statement and when I asked him to explain, he said, 'The government doesn't have to help poor people -- because they are lazy.' I said, 'Well, could you explain that assumption?' Not only could he not explain it, he started backtracking on it, saying, 'No, I didn't say that.'"

If Cox had been in the same class, Tsurumi said, "I could have asked him to challenge that and he would have demolished it. Not personally or emotionally, but intellectually."

Bush once sneered at Tsurumi for showing the film "The Grapes of Wrath," based on John Steinbeck's novel of the Depression. "We were in a discussion of the New Deal, and he called Franklin Roosevelt's policies 'socialism.' He denounced labor unions, the Securities and Exchange Commission, Medicare, Social Security, you name it. He denounced the civil rights movement as socialism. To him, socialism and communism were the same thing. And when challenged to explain his prejudice, he could not defend his argument, either ideologically, polemically or academically."

Students who challenged and embarrassed Bush in class would then become the subject of a whispering campaign by him, Tsurumi said. "In class, he couldn't challenge them. But after class, he sometimes came up to me in the hallway and started bad-mouthing those students who had challenged him. He would complain that someone was drinking too much. It was innuendo and lies. So that's how I knew, behind his smile and his smirk, that he was a very insecure, cunning and vengeful guy."

Many of Tsurumi's students came from well-connected or wealthy families, but good manners prevented them from boasting about it, the professor said. But Bush seemed unabashed about the connections that had brought him to Harvard. "The other children of the rich and famous were at least well bred to the point of realizing universal values and standards of behavior," Tsurumi said. But Bush sometimes came late to class and often sat in the back row of the theater-like classroom, wearing a bomber jacket from the Texas Air National Guard and spitting chewing tobacco into a cup.

"At first, I wondered, 'Who is this George Bush?' It's a very common name and I didn't know his background. And he was such a bad student that I asked him once how he got in. He said, 'My dad has good friends.'" Bush scored in the lowest 10 percent of the class.

The Vietnam War was still roiling campuses and Harvard was no exception. Bush expressed strong support for the war but admitted to Tsurumi that he'd gotten a coveted spot in the Texas Air National Guard through his father's connections.

"I used to chat up a number of students when we were walking back to class," Tsurumi said. "Here was Bush, wearing a Texas Guard bomber jacket, and the draft was the No. 1 topic in those days. And I said, 'George, what did you do with the draft?' He said, 'Well, I got into the Texas Air National Guard.' And I said, 'Lucky you. I understand there is a long waiting list for it. How'd you get in?' When he told me, he didn't seem ashamed or embarrassed. He thought he was entitled to all kinds of privileges and special deals. He was not the only one trying to twist all their connections to avoid Vietnam. But then, he was fanatically for the war."

Tsurumi told Bush that someone who avoided a draft while supporting a war in which others were dying was a hypocrite. "He realized he was caught, showed his famous smirk and huffed off."

Tsurumi's conclusion: Bush is not as dumb as his detractors allege. "He was just badly brought up, with no discipline, and no compassion," he said.

In recent days, Tsurumi has told his story to various print and television outlets and appears in Kitty Kelley's expos� "The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty." He said other professors and students at the business school from that time share his recollections but are afraid to come forward, fearing ostracism or retribution. And why is Tsurumi speaking up now? Because with the ongoing bloodshed in Iraq and Osama bin Laden still on the loose -- not to mention a federal deficit ballooning out of control -- the stakes are too high to remain silent. "Obviously, I don't think he is the best person" to be running the country, he said. "I wanted to explain why."

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Orginally from salon.com

About the writer
Mary Jacoby is Salon's Washington correspondent.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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I think Bush probably has a Central Auditory Processing Disorder (CAPD or APD) and possible Dyslexia. I think both of these disorders are too new for him to have had them diagnosed when he was school aged. He may have been formally diagnosed later in life and just hasn't publicized it.

One of my children has dyslexia and CAPD. She has difficulty with expressive and receptive language. She might not be able to speak eloquently but her insanely high IQ proves that she is no dummy.

I think attacking Bush for his use of the language is silly. Frankly, I would rather have a President that occassionally stumbles on his words or mispronounces things than one who can't even form an opinion and stick with it!

Here is a good article regarding Bush and possible learning disabilities.
It discusses Central Auditory Processing Disorder and how there still is not a lot known about it. It shows examples of how dyslexia and CAPD would effect Bush's speech and language.


www.businessweek.com...


Jemison



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:18 PM
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Or he may have Aspergers.
Many Aspie kids are misdiagnosed with other problems.
It's never been a very common disease, but it's lately been getting much more attention.

Asperger's Disorder is a milder variant of Autistic Disorder. Both Asperger's Disorder and Autistic Disorder are in fact subgroups of a larger diagnostic category. This larger category is called either Autistic Spectrum Disorders, mostly in European countries, or Pervasive Developmental Disorders ("PDD"), in the United States. In Asperger's Disorder, affected individuals are characterized by social isolation and eccentric behavior in childhood. There are impairments in two-sided social interaction and non-verbal communication. Though grammatical, their speech is peculiar due to abnormalities of inflection and a repetitive pattern. Clumsiness is prominent both in their articulation and gross motor behavior. They usually have a circumscribed area of interest which usually leaves no space for more age appropriate, common interests. Some examples are cars, trains, French Literature, door knobs, hinges, cappucino, meteorology, astronomy or history. The name "Asperger" comes from Hans Asperger, an Austrian physician who first described the syndrome in 1944.

Source: www.aspergers.com...

I went to a seminar on this about 4 months ago because there is a good chance that I have it. One thing I learned is there are usually 3 different varietys of personalities when one is an Aspie. 1) Recessive, generally withdrawn, shy, avoids crowds like the plague. 2) Well spoken except in pressure situations, not outgoing but doesn't avoid contact, usually very systematic and routeen oriented. 3) Time bomb, usually snaps at people sometime rudely, not very well spoken but usually very articulate in other ways, this type often has the most problems in school and possibly the most misdiagnosed.

I also have a very long list of "Scottizms", always when in a direct confrontation with someone or a group. I just mix stuff up, and out it comes. More often than not they are really stupid and highly laughable (by others).



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:29 PM
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Or he may have Aspergers.


I have read a lot about Aspergers and in my humble opinion don't think Bush fits the criteria necessary. Bush has always been a likeable/sociable person. Most people with Aspergers have difficulting forming and maintaining relationships. They tend to be loners.

I have heard rumors that Bill Gates might have Aspergers but I don't believe Bush does.

Jemison



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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Anybody want to bet on how long it takes for Tsurumi's to die of mysterious causes???



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:35 PM
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I am very surprised not pro bush has come to this post and call all of you anti-americans.


I do believe that bush has some type of speech impediment, I have work with children that their brain is so fast that they can not articulate very well and when others children make fun of them the get into rage tantrums, I had a gifted child once that in one of those tantrums beat another child in my class, it was very sad.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Jemison


Or he may have Aspergers.

I have read a lot about Aspergers and in my humble opinion don't think Bush fits the criteria necessary. Bush has always been a likeable/sociable person. Most people with Aspergers have difficulting forming and maintaining relationships. They tend to be loners.

I have heard rumors that Bill Gates might have Aspergers but I don't believe Bush does.

I agree that Aspergers is an unlikely diagnosis for Bush. I've known a number of people with this, and he's not... well... weird enough or geeky enough to fit the profile.

One other possibility is brain damage from all the drinking and drugs that he did.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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Most people with Aspergers have difficulting forming and maintaining relationships. They tend to be loners.

I dissagree with that.
Aspies have problems in social relationships, not nessessarily personal relationships. Granted, most male Aspies are geeks and/or engineers, but theres always a girl out there that will take care of them and put up with their routeens.


I do agree that Bush is probably not an Aspie.
I just threw this in the mix to show another alternative remote diagnosis of our presidents flaws. He does fit some aspects of an Aspie.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:45 PM
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Byrd,

I had thought about the posibility that has to do with drinking but its hard to tell.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 02:51 PM
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Byrd, I agree with you. I think his drinking and drugging got to his brain big time.

Got a problem? There's always a name for the decease
(and a drug for it)
Although I believe his problem is Rattinzgers Crimentoza.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 03:09 PM
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Or the docs could be wrong and he's just not a very good speaker. He does well in things where he's obviously rehearsed and rehearsed, but off the cuff remarks make him look bad. Ad lib is not his gig.

And this professor could have an axe to grind, be an ultra-liberal or have any other number of reasons to give him a bad rap. Not saying he's lying, but also not saying I believe him.

Note: The article indicates that it's partisan for Cox to want an investigation into CBS. I think any story using possibly fraudulent documents to make any case on any subject should be checked out. I don't care about the content of the documents, just whether they're real or not. The "partisan" remark makes me suspect the article itself.



posted on Sep, 17 2004 @ 03:51 PM
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I am very surprised not pro bush has come to this post and call all of you anti-americans.



I am very much PRO Bush and don't see how commenting on the possibility of him having a learning disability would be Anti-American. If Bush does have a learning disability I think he should come forward with it. There are a lot of frustrated children out there that would benefit from knowing our President may have faced the same struggles that they are currently facing. Unfortunatly, people are ignorant when it comes to LD's. They wrongly believe that being learning disabled means that someone is lacking in intelligence and that is not the case.


Jemison



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