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You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink.
Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
Okay the fact that nobody has brought up is that these German Scientist, were forced to do what they did. Would any of you have put your home, loved ones, your life, at risk by denying the SS and the Fuhrer. The Gestapo where very, notorious about their actions if one declined.
Dr. Hubertus Strughold (June 15, 1898 – September 25, 1986) was a German doctor, Nazi, and prominent medical researcher during the early twentieth century. An emigre to the United States after World War II, he is also known as "The Father of Space Medicine". He was the author of over 180 papers in the field of space medicine. In the 1990s, his wartime experiments on concentration camp prisoners were acknowledged and greatly diminished his reputation.
As the head of Nazi Germany's Air Force Institute for Aviation Medicine, Strughold participated in a 1942 conference that discussed "experiments" on human beings carried out by the institute. The experiments included subjecting inmates of the Dachau concentration camp to torture and death by being immersed in water, placed in air pressure chambers, forced to drink sea water and exposed to freezing temperatures.
Kurt Blome (31 January 1894, Bielefeld, Westphalia – 10 October 1969) was a high-ranking Nazi scientist before and during World War II. He was the Deputy Reich Health Leader (Reichsgesundheitsführer) and Plenipotentiary for Cancer Research in the Reich Research Council. In his autobiography, Arzt im Kampf (English: Physician in Struggle), Blome equated medical and military power in their battle for life and death.
Blome admitted that he had been ordered in 1943 to experiment with plague vaccines on concentration camp prisoners. He was tried at the Doctors' Trial in 1947 on charges of practicing euthanasia and conducting experiments on humans. Although acquitted, his earlier admissions were well known, and it was generally accepted that he had indeed participated in the experiments (there is evidence that Blome experimented with Sarin gas on Auschwitz prisoners).
Dr Walter Paul Emil Schreiber (21 March 1893 – 5 September 1970) was a German military officer and brigadier-general (Generalarzt) of the Medical Service of the Wehrmacht.
When journalist Drew Pearson publicized Schreiber's Nuremberg evidence in 1952, which showed he had assigned doctors to experiment on concentration camp prisoners and had made funds available for such experimentation, the negative publicity led the Joint Intelligence Objectives Agency to arrange "a visa and a job for Schreiber in Argentina, where his daughter was living." On 22 May 1952 he was flown to Buenos Aires
Originally posted by Malcher
reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi
People are more aware today than they were in the ealry 40's. This is just common sense. More access to information today (an understatement) and things that could pass for normal is much more easily seen as abnormal. If Hitler gave a speech today like he did in the late 1930's and early 40s with the screaming, pounding on the podium and finger pointing people would think "this guy belongs in an institution". That is if you view it in a modern context.
From a sociological standpoint a modern analogy is to study groups of people submersed in hard drug lifestyles. After awhile what seemed abnormal becomes normal and it is just a transitional process and surrounding yourself with like minded people.
My personal belief is that if you take Adolf Hitler out of the equation then WW2 would never have happened. Sure he found a relative handful of people to comprise his inner circle but you can find those same people in any society.
I think it was a combination of Adolf Hitler and the fact that these people were so isolated, as were most or even all people at that time. Again it just goes back to the perception of what is normal and not what IS actually normal.
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Well obviously people who learn form history or are aware of history still repeat it. That catch phrase is meant for dim wits.
I mean...there may be a smattering of truth to it but at the same time is very simplistic. Life is more complicated than a one line sound bite.
edit on 15-2-2012 by Malcher because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by KwisatzHaderach
reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools
I'm not stating that they shouldnt have been tried for their crimes merely that fear releases inhibitions.
Then, if a leader stands up and stops using the pithy sound bites that will quickly lose connection with the people, and starts giving passionate speeches railing against the treasonous politicians who signed NAFTA and the GTA and destroyed our economy and begins to promise to bring the jobs back, stabilize the currency and make america great again, i would wager the american people just like the germans would give that leader all the power they want and all the power they need. They will be desperate enough themselves even to turn a blind eye to atrocity. It's a short and bleak fall from god bless the republic to sieg hiel. Just ask the germans they were a republic as well.
Originally posted by butcherguy
The same can be said of the Soviets....
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They captured equipment and engineers, just like we did.
U.S. authors Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Cheitkin reveal in the recently published George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography that Prescott Bush (George W. Bush's grandfather) and other directors of the Union Banking Company (UBC) were Nazi collaborators.
George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
President Bush's grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler's rise to power, government documents show.
Prescott Bush (search) was one of seven directors of Union Banking Corp. (search), a New York investment bank owned by a bank controlled by the Thyssen family, according to recently declassified National Archives documents reviewed by The Associated Press.
Fritz Thyssen (search) was an early financial supporter of Hitler, whose Nazi party Thyssen believed was preferable to communism. The documents do not show any evidence Bush directly aided that effort. His position with Union Banking never was a political issue for Bush, who was elected to the Senate from Connecticut in 1952.
Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
Very interesting thread OP, but I wish you would have gone a little deeper down the rabbit hole so to speak.
Though you are right about the Nazi scientists being used by the US and Russia, I think you should of done research into Reinhard Gehlen and the role he played with OSS and later CIA it would have made your argument much stronger.
"The notion that they [CIA, Army Counterintelligence Corp, Gehlen organization] employed only a few bad apples will not stand up to the new documentation. Some American intelligence officials could not or did not want to see how many German intelligence officials, SS officers, police, or non-German collaborators with the Nazis were compromised or incriminated by their past service… Hindsight allows us to see that American use of actual or alleged war criminals was a blunder in several respects…there was no compelling reason to begin the postwar era with the assistance of some of those associated with the worst crimes of the war. Lack of sufficient attention to history-and, on a personal level, to character and morality-established a bad precedent, especially for new intelligence agencies. It also brought into intelligence organizations men and women previously incapable of distinguishing between their political/ideological beliefs and reality. As a result, such individuals could not and did not deliver good intelligence. Finally, because their new, professed 'democratic convictions' were at best insecure and their pasts could be used against them (some could be blackmailed), these recruits represented a potential security problem." (Note 3)
There is plenty of info and docs on Gehlen and his influence and connection with CIA. You should dig deeper OP.
Originally posted by Magnificient
reply to post by WozaMeathed
There's more involved in WW II than meats the eye. We went over to whip the devil, but we ended up bringing him home. The US had the world's highest moral standards before WW II, now look at us.
Originally posted by prisoneronashipoffools
reply to post by reaxi0n
The same can be said for ANY major world power throughout history. If you go digging for genocide you'll find it. Who honestly cares? Why are people on ATS so over dramatic? It's great to state facts and all, but to whine about it is another thing. Sometimes it seems like people here sit on the computer and think "gee, what can I complain about next?" Big deal we used some of their scientists. Einstein also helped the Nazis in WWII. They're scientists not the people in charge of the final solution.
No it is not insignificant especially when you get into the fact that the intelligence systems worked closely with Nazi's like Gehlen and they used the system to allow many war criminals to escape; many of which were part of the final solution.
It also shows a much more systematic and greater problem through out the intelligence community and global politics; the enemy of or enemy is our ally doctrine.
The fact is if you look at all the wars we have fought since Vietnam most have been with former "allies" of the us, allies that were aided by the CIA; the gulf war with Saddam Hussein; once our great ally while fighting Iran and suddenly our enemy, and the current war on terror, which is claimed to have been started by Osama bin Laden; our great ally when fighting the Russians in Afghanistan, but then our great enemy. The sad thing is because people like you think it's so irrelevant is the reason the US will continue to fight endless wars for ages to come, or until our nation collapses.
Even now, we are supporting anti socialist death squads in South America and supporting very violent and viscous warlords in Afghanistan. We will probably have wars with both of those groups in the future, as they continue to gain power from our support. The whole doctrine creates an endless problem...Stupid is, as stupid does I guess. Or the whole geopolitical game is just that; a game, and the US citizens primarily are the ignorant rubes used to foot the bill and shed the blood.
Originally posted by Magnivea
Originally posted by WozaMeathed
This thread is directed towards all those that dont believe that the modern America and it Military ARE connected with WW2 NAZI Germany.
Who exactly denies this?
I'm just going to go ahead and state the obvious... I'd bet whatever you would like that 99% of Americans on this site already know that.
Granted, I'm sure a lot of Americans don't know this, but this is old news for anyone into conspiracies at all. But if you're an American (or any other nationality for that matter) on ATS and have no idea what Project Paperclip is, you have not been around long.
Von Braun even had a series of short Disney films.
Did you just stumble across this information and start a thread?
post somewhere that's not full of conspiracy theorists and you'd be doing a great service for the ignorant.
Originally posted by reaxi0n
reply to post by prisoneronashipoffools
Just because we used the brilliant minds of Nazi SCIENTISTS.
(most often forced to work by the Nazis),
does not mean we are controlled by NAZIS. What is with the delusion here?