reply to post by OldHag
So by doing good you will come or are in heaven? Or is that not what do you say?
You are really stuck on this heaven thing? You seem to believe Heaven is a tangible thing? A location? Why? Heaven is indescribable. Heaven is
simply knowing God. I'm not looking to earn my way in, or build my own. I'm just seeking to know God on a more spiritual level than I currently
What do you mean by afterlife,
I mean after this physical body dies. This physical body is just a singular incarnation for us. Just like Jesus was a singular incarnation of God,
but not the only incarnation, and only a small portion of God's greatness.
You mean similar like a demoversion? You can work with it, and it works great, but you can't print and can't save it. But if you want the
Not like a demoversion, although that is an interesting analogy. And I'm not stating reincarnation as a fact or as impossible, but my impression is
that God has a master plan for all things and we have a role in that, but we also have free will. God does not intrude and force our actions.
Whatever happens, God only observes, and offers guidance if asked. We are spiritual beings in a physical realm. This is not necessary, it is just
how we currently perceive things. If we didn't need to be here, we wouldn't be here. Our spirits are in need of some experience, or some lesson in
order to grow and move on up closer to God.
The most basic answer I ever received from God was, "Because, they asked for it."
It made me furious at the time. I was asking why a man
could leave for work and have his whole family wiped out while he was gone. Why would my son be born to only suffer for the first year of his life.
Why are some babies born and die within minutes. Why do kids in Africa starve. And God's answer was, "Because they asked for it." It took awhile
to sink in, it wasn't because the "deserved" it. It was because the "requested" it. Some souls need to suffer, some need to love, some need to
be loved. Some need one moment with a loving mother, but others need a lifetime of rejection. We all live the lives we choose, and those lives offer
us opportunities for spiritual lessons, and hopefully we grow from those lessons and become closer to God.
Oh you makin' your own, so it was all Hiss fauld, isn't it?
I don't make my own, and it is only my fault, nobody elses. I'm already in Heaven, and Hell. When I do my best all day, and when things go mostly
right, and when I know it was a good day, and I kiss my kids goodnight, and I say my prayers, and my wife lays her head on my shoulder, then I know it
is Heaven. Other days might not be so good, but I can always trace it back to some decision I have made. I am the only one responsible for anything
that ever happens to me.
As to the Bible, I mentioned earlier, I serve no master, and I don't "worship" anything. The Bible is a GREAT book. Jesus was a GREAT teacher,
and an incarnation of God that could communicate well with man. But, that is only a single aspect of spirituality. I believe there are infinitely
more ways to know God, and it does not require Jesus, nor the Bible.