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Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by rigel4
and what is Israel? Fundamentalist what? A fundamentally democratic society? I agree.
GEEZUS. People make comments here that make no sense at all. Fundamentalist refers to someone who is very religiously conservative. LOOK up Israel, it's society and culture, before you say something as ignorant as "israel is fundamentalist".
The Israel Democracy Institute has just published a major survey that gives an insight into Israeli society. Its major findings are that an average of 90 percent see Jewish lifecycle rituals as important or very important. Some 87 percent believe food served in public institutions should be kosher, 80 percent believe in God and that good deeds are rewarded, and 67 percent believe that Jews are the chosen people. Some 65 percent believe that the Torah is God Given. Even though only 24% of Israeli Jews are orthodox or ultra-orthodox, Israeli society tends towards religious traditionalism. Israeli society is less religious than the U.S. Some 85 percent of Americans say that religion is important or very important in their lives. But the U.S. has a constitution that makes sure that religion and the state are strictly separated. Also, the U.S. religious landscape is incredibly varied: even the majority religion, Protestant Christianity, is composed of many different churches. As opposed to Israel, where the orthodox establishment has a monopoly on religious affairs, and is powerfully involved in the lives of citizens from cradle to grave. It is therefore time for Israeli society to bury a long-lasting myth: the belief that secular, liberal Israelis are the mainstream that in the future will once again own the country. The mirror image of this belief is the program of the current coalition that says that “the secular left has kept the country captive by controlling the political, judicial and cultural elites. Now that we are the majority, we finally want to rule the country according to our values.”
Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by HattoriHanzou
As I said...the U.S. plan is to let Iran implode on itself. The problem only arrises if Irans Old Guard Leadership does something stupid...and when it comes to Iran...syupid is their middle name....why threaten the one of two only things that could actually start a war...that being...threaten to close the Strait with their Navy....the other would be a statement declaring they have Nukes.
In either case if Iran actually attempted or did this...the U.S. would have no option other than to go in.
If Iran's leadership is so stupid, how have they successfully weathered 30+ years of covert attempts by the west to undermine and destroy it? They turned the CIA / MI6 / Mossad's little Green Revolution inside out with great efficiency. This was only the most recent attempt to take over or destroy their government.
Never underestimate a potential adversary. It may make you feel good to call Iran's leadership stupid, but clearly they are more capable than the CIA, MI6, and Mossad combined. You could read some Sun Tzu and learn why underestimation is an often fatal mistake.
If Iran declared that they had nuclear weapons, there would be nothing we could do any more. Once a nation has nuclear weapons, the only option is negotiation. Kim Jong Il saw the truth of this, and once he tested his nuke we started playing to the tune of his fiddle. If Iran does indeed create nuclear weapons, the game in the middle east will change big time.
Also, regarding the Strait of Hormuz - Iran has threatened to close it as a response to economic war being threatened against them. Bear in mind that it is NATO, not the UN, which has tried to coax Iran into making the first aggressive move. Is Iran off the coast of the USA, threatening to close down our shipping unless we abandon our nuclear program?
You must realize that the double standard you have gotten used to is not applicable any more.
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Truth_Hz
But thats the thing, some peoples terrorists are other peoples freedom fighters. Nelson Mandela was once considered a terrorist and put in jail.
It's about the power relationships, if you dont have the power of the state and a military industrial complex, then you must resort to other tactics to make your point. I certainly do not condone the murdering of innocents, but our own governments are just as guilty as terrorist organisations in killing civillians.
Surely it is more cowardly to drop bombs from planes or rockets from an unmanned drone, being operated by someone thousands of miles away? Drone attacks have killed more innocent people in Pakistan than their intended terrorist targets.